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Great link .... brings more questions than answers though ....

I've seen that black spot on EVE for quite a while now. I just assumed it had something to do with the lenses.
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as far as i know that is an imager issues that happened when it was put up in orbit...they have since called it the dark area and try to align it out of the picture...but sometimes they can not.
the rest is just odd!

and look at this.
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
all the other SOHO images now are good.
[link to sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov]
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Fact is it's all very frustrating to know, we will never know ......

Hey Angel, take a look at psyoptics link above, looks like your busy friend 30 is just rounding the bend, and the other, 32 is right behind !!! [link to www.solarham.net]
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Got my eyes on it and wondering if it will fizzle or be more active...oh, GLP effect....it is just a puny baby not worth noticing at all....lol
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Watching and waiting and working around the house...

I hate when things are this slow....

Hope y'all are having a great day

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It's like it died out there, but should pick back up on the 23rd, possibly the 22nd late.
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Many new earth facing regions to be numbered ....

[link to www.solarham.net]
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Hello Mama, Angel.

I was reading back a couple pages and noticed everyone was concerned about the integrity of the magnetosphere last night.

I'm looking at the streamer now, and I'm not seeing anything of concern, no penetration of the field ??? Was it hot within the field ??

Looks pretty stable from 11:00 UTC 8/19 till now, what were you guys referring to ??

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
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Hello Mama, Angel.

I was reading back a couple pages and noticed everyone was concerned about the integrity of the magnetosphere last night.

I'm looking at the streamer now, and I'm not seeing anything of concern, no penetration of the field ??? Was it hot within the field ??

Looks pretty stable from 11:00 UTC 8/19 till now, what were you guys referring to ??

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
 Quoting: TS66

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Sorry 66..I was supposed to post this [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] Scroll through the images on there..it has been wild.

I feel horrid.
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Fok Ring [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] ?
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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Hello Mama, Angel.

I was reading back a couple pages and noticed everyone was concerned about the integrity of the magnetosphere last night.

I'm looking at the streamer now, and I'm not seeing anything of concern, no penetration of the field ??? Was it hot within the field ??

Looks pretty stable from 11:00 UTC 8/19 till now, what were you guys referring to ??

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
 Quoting: TS66

 Quoting: IZM 14589973


Sorry 66..I was supposed to post this [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] Scroll through the images on there..it has been wild.

I feel horrid.
 Quoting: IZME 14589973


The mag fields can look pretty crazy when they are in action no doubt.

The streamer looks solid, I'm not seeing any penetration [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

Gobal D is as cool as a cucumber [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Other than a pretty good proton spike at 9:00 UTC [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] along with ACE [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] look pretty stable ....

In conclusion, as wild as it looks ... IMHO it's doing exactly what it should be ... as Martha would say "it's a good thing" hf
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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It's the day lit side hf
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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As ith most simulations the Colour Red/Pink is a indication of the potential of the charge within the Plasmasphere.

Red being High,Blue Low

I am still trying to learn more about the whole process myself Angel,why and how.

Forgive me..I feel so,so rubbish at the moment - I cannot think straight enough to type.


Something is not right with me..it's got worse the last few Days : ?
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See? That ^ makes no sense.

Wtf is wrong with me?
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See? That ^ makes no sense.

Wtf is wrong with me?
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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Hello Mama, Angel.

I was reading back a couple pages and noticed everyone was concerned about the integrity of the magnetosphere last night.

I'm looking at the streamer now, and I'm not seeing anything of concern, no penetration of the field ??? Was it hot within the field ??

Looks pretty stable from 11:00 UTC 8/19 till now, what were you guys referring to ??

[link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]
 Quoting: TS66

 Quoting: IZM 14589973


Sorry 66..I was supposed to post this [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] Scroll through the images on there..it has been wild.

I feel horrid.
 Quoting: IZME 14589973


The mag fields can look pretty crazy when they are in action no doubt.

The streamer looks solid, I'm not seeing any penetration [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

Gobal D is as cool as a cucumber [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Other than a pretty good proton spike at 9:00 UTC [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] along with ACE [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] look pretty stable ....

In conclusion, as wild as it looks ... IMHO it's doing exactly what it should be ... as Martha would say "it's a good thing" hf
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Induction from the Magnetopause is what I am looking for rather than Penetration of actual Plasma.
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See? That ^ makes no sense.

Wtf is wrong with me?
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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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See? That ^ makes no sense.

Wtf is wrong with me?
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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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You're still feeling sick??? I'm getting worried about you!
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Sorry 66..I was supposed to post this [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] Scroll through the images on there..it has been wild.

I feel horrid.
 Quoting: IZME 14589973


The mag fields can look pretty crazy when they are in action no doubt.

The streamer looks solid, I'm not seeing any penetration [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080]

Gobal D is as cool as a cucumber [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Other than a pretty good proton spike at 9:00 UTC [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] along with ACE [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] look pretty stable ....

In conclusion, as wild as it looks ... IMHO it's doing exactly what it should be ... as Martha would say "it's a good thing" hf
 Quoting: TS66


Induction from the Magnetopause is what I am looking for rather than Penetration of actual Plasma.
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I'm reading this(trying to) [link to plasmasphere.aeronomie.be] amongst others.
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See? That ^ makes no sense.

Wtf is wrong with me?
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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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You're still feeling sick??? I'm getting worried about you!
 Quoting: MamaHasAwakened


Hey Mama : )

I did get better from that horrid Cold..its' something very different this time - total BrainFog/extreme sleepyness.
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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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You're still feeling sick??? I'm getting worried about you!
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Hey Mama : )

I did get better from that horrid Cold..its' something very different this time - total BrainFog/extreme sleepyness.
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I've had lymes since 1996 and it does effect you neurologically if let go. They were also hesitant to test for it then, we now have the highest rate of lymes disease with three specific strains. If you've been bit, insist on testing. Myself and two of my children never had a rash or bullseye, and were not diagnosed until my son had lymes arthritis in his fluid filled knee at 10 years old ....
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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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You're still feeling sick??? I'm getting worried about you!
 Quoting: MamaHasAwakened


Hey Mama : )

I did get better from that horrid Cold..its' something very different this time - total BrainFog/extreme sleepyness.
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Cesium?
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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It's the day lit side hf
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That is'nt what is represented in the Fok Ring data,though the Dayside and Nightside are shown.

The drop is what is now confusing me rather than the previous Weeks..here [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] to this [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] in one update.

88 are you out there?
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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You're still feeling sick??? I'm getting worried about you!
 Quoting: MamaHasAwakened


Hey Mama : )

I did get better from that horrid Cold..its' something very different this time - total BrainFog/extreme sleepyness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14589973

I've had lymes since 1996 and it does effect you neurologically if let go. They were also hesitant to test for it then, we now have the highest rate of lymes disease with three specific strains. If you've been bit, insist on testing. Myself and two of my children never had a rash or bullseye, and were not diagnosed until my son had lymes arthritis in his fluid filled knee at 10 years old ....
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Whoa!?

I shall insist if this persists for any longer than the next 48 Hrs.

I can't handle not being able to think clearly,it's horrid..as is the tiredness.

Thank you 66.

Yes Shada,tiss' Ihf
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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It's the day lit side hf
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That is'nt what is represented in the Fok Ring data,though the Dayside and Nightside are shown.

The drop is what is now confusing me rather than the previous Weeks..here [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] to this [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] in one update.

88 are you out there?
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Isn't FOK a representation of plasma density and temperature ???
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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As ith most simulations the Colour Red/Pink is a indication of the potential of the charge within the Plasmasphere.

Red being High,Blue Low

I am still trying to learn more about the whole process myself Angel,why and how.

Forgive me..I feel so,so rubbish at the moment - I cannot think straight enough to type.


Something is not right with me..it's got worse the last few Days : ?
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Actually I sorta understood what you were saying. It at least gave me a clue, where I was clueless before.

More and more people are feeling just like you are with fuzzy thoughts and not being able to express themselves correctly. Like just now, I had to pause to remember how to spell "correctly" - seriously? That seems to happen a lot after a solar storm, not when it is clear like now.

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If you were here in upstate NY, I'd tell you to get a lymes test ....

Hope you feel better.
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Lymes is a bloody horrible thing.

And I have been biten in the last two Weeks also.

Problem with Lymes in the UK is the lack of Doctors willing or able to identify it in some cases,as happened with a Friend of mine who contracted it through Dear Ticks last Year.
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You're still feeling sick??? I'm getting worried about you!
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Hey Mama : )

I did get better from that horrid Cold..its' something very different this time - total BrainFog/extreme sleepyness.
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Are you female and how old are you?
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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As ith most simulations the Colour Red/Pink is a indication of the potential of the charge within the Plasmasphere.

Red being High,Blue Low

I am still trying to learn more about the whole process myself Angel,why and how.

Forgive me..I feel so,so rubbish at the moment - I cannot think straight enough to type.


Something is not right with me..it's got worse the last few Days : ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14589973


Actually I sorta understood what you were saying. It at least gave me a clue, where I was clueless before.

More and more people are feeling just like you are with fuzzy thoughts and not being able to express themselves correctly. Like just now, I had to pause to remember how to spell correctly - seriously? That seems to happen a lot after a solar storm, not when it is clear like now.
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I have to be honest, I am not typically a person that has a tendency to extend physical condition outside the box of medicine and physiology, but I feel the same way ... is it an actual medical problem (ie lymes, just getting over that nasty flu you all had, etc ..), the power of suggestion (I consider every post on this subject here), or is it actually the solar maximum with all the bells and whistles it brings ???

The jury is still out for me, but I concur, I feel very much the same. Tired, fuzzy, mentally and physically drained ....
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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As ith most simulations the Colour Red/Pink is a indication of the potential of the charge within the Plasmasphere.

Red being High,Blue Low

I am still trying to learn more about the whole process myself Angel,why and how.

Forgive me..I feel so,so rubbish at the moment - I cannot think straight enough to type.


Something is not right with me..it's got worse the last few Days : ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14589973


Actually I sorta understood what you were saying. It at least gave me a clue, where I was clueless before.

More and more people are feeling just like you are with fuzzy thoughts and not being able to express themselves correctly. Like just now, I had to pause to remember how to spell correctly - seriously? That seems to happen a lot after a solar storm, not when it is clear like now.
 Quoting: whiteangel


I have to be honest, I am not typically a person that has a tendency to extend physical condition outside the box of medicine and physiology, but I feel the same way ... is it an actual medical problem (ie lymes, just getting over that nasty flu you all had, etc ..), the power of suggestion (I consider every post on this subject here), or is it actually the solar maximum with all the bells and whistles it brings ???

The jury is still out for me, but I concur, I feel very much the same. Tired, fuzzy, mentally and physically drained ....
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Me too...my memory from minute to minute is bad. Hubs gave me $20 and I lost it in 10 minutes in the house! Can't remember what I did 5 minutes ago!
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As ith most simulations the Colour Red/Pink is a indication of the potential of the charge within the Plasmasphere.

Red being High,Blue Low

I am still trying to learn more about the whole process myself Angel,why and how.

Forgive me..I feel so,so rubbish at the moment - I cannot think straight enough to type.


Something is not right with me..it's got worse the last few Days : ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14589973


Actually I sorta understood what you were saying. It at least gave me a clue, where I was clueless before.

More and more people are feeling just like you are with fuzzy thoughts and not being able to express themselves correctly. Like just now, I had to pause to remember how to spell correctly - seriously? That seems to happen a lot after a solar storm, not when it is clear like now.
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I have to be honest, I am not typically a person that has a tendency to extend physical condition outside the box of medicine and physiology, but I feel the same way ... is it an actual medical problem (ie lymes, just getting over that nasty flu you all had, etc ..), the power of suggestion (I consider every post on this subject here), or is it actually the solar maximum with all the bells and whistles it brings ???

The jury is still out for me, but I concur, I feel very much the same. Tired, fuzzy, mentally and physically drained ....
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Me too...my memory from minute to minute is bad. Hubs gave me $20 and I lost it in 10 minutes in the house! Can't remember what I did 5 minutes ago!
 Quoting: MamaHasAwakened


Exactly, and what's even stranger is the fact I don't care if I find that $20 .... (mine was actually a $100 bill I needed for my dogs vets appt ...) I figured I'd find it eventually ............ SO NOT IN MY CHARACTER !!! I was even a little amused with myself when I finally stumbled on it a week later !!!

Well I'm glad this isn't just me, I really thought I had pickled my brain beyond repair ....lol
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When it looks like this, what does the red mean? Sorry, only still learning and this isn't one I know too well yet.
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As ith most simulations the Colour Red/Pink is a indication of the potential of the charge within the Plasmasphere.

Red being High,Blue Low

I am still trying to learn more about the whole process myself Angel,why and how.

Forgive me..I feel so,so rubbish at the moment - I cannot think straight enough to type.


Something is not right with me..it's got worse the last few Days : ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14589973


Actually I sorta understood what you were saying. It at least gave me a clue, where I was clueless before.

More and more people are feeling just like you are with fuzzy thoughts and not being able to express themselves correctly. Like just now, I had to pause to remember how to spell correctly - seriously? That seems to happen a lot after a solar storm, not when it is clear like now.
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I have to be honest, I am not typically a person that has a tendency to extend physical condition outside the box of medicine and physiology, but I feel the same way ... is it an actual medical problem (ie lymes, just getting over that nasty flu you all had, etc ..), the power of suggestion (I consider every post on this subject here), or is it actually the solar maximum with all the bells and whistles it brings ???

The jury is still out for me, but I concur, I feel very much the same. Tired, fuzzy, mentally and physically drained ....
 Quoting: TS66


Agreed. When I first heard that there were so called "solar symptoms" I pooh poohed it big time. Yes I was having the symptoms before I ever heard such a thing and yes it came in cycles/flares so I began thinking it was something like fibromyalgia, something my mom had so was familiar with it, but I didn't have the pain points. I started keeping track of it on a calendar and lo and behold, it did line up with solar activity. Tired, fuzzy, brain-farts (as I call it, lol) and physically drained as if I just got over a bad cold or flu.

Like you, not totally convinced either but sure leaning that way now.
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Had to take Major Thom(Dawg)out..back in no.

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Dark matter and Gamma rays are exciting!
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until they destroy your planet. LOL!

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