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joinca User ID: 8793176 United States 08/23/2012 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3 Serial Number: 1948 Issue Time: 2012 Aug 23 1506 UTC CONTINUED ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu Continuation of Serial Number: 1947 Begin Time: 2012 Aug 21 1255 UTC Yesterday Maximum 2MeV Flux: 3112 pfu Potential Impacts: Satellite systems may experience significant charging resulting in increased risk to satellite systems. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This one slipped by... Quoting: joinca Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3 Serial Number: 1948 Issue Time: 2012 Aug 23 1506 UTC CONTINUED ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu Continuation of Serial Number: 1947 Begin Time: 2012 Aug 21 1255 UTC Yesterday Maximum 2MeV Flux: 3112 pfu Potential Impacts: Satellite systems may experience significant charging resulting in increased risk to satellite systems. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] We'll see the Electron Flux Fraggle out in tandum with the Magnetometers as the high speed SW from CH503 begins lashing Earth within the couple of Days [link to www.solen.info] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Hello by the way JCA : ) Hope you are good. Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 08/23/2012 05:28 PM The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
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madajs User ID: 6377684 Canada 08/23/2012 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cesium, I checked the times and I think your CME may be showing up here: [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] In your video the filament erupts at 8-23 0500UT and that is the same time of the eruption of the earth facing CME showing on iSWA. Doesn't look geoeffective though. And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
joinca User ID: 8793176 United States 08/23/2012 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This one slipped by... Quoting: joinca Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3 Serial Number: 1948 Issue Time: 2012 Aug 23 1506 UTC CONTINUED ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu Continuation of Serial Number: 1947 Begin Time: 2012 Aug 21 1255 UTC Yesterday Maximum 2MeV Flux: 3112 pfu Potential Impacts: Satellite systems may experience significant charging resulting in increased risk to satellite systems. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] We'll see the Electron Flux Fraggle out in tandum with the Magnetometers as the high speed SW from CH503 begins lashing Earth within the couple of Days [link to www.solen.info] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Hello by the way JCA : ) Hope you are good. Hello there SC! You sure help with the info. Have a GREAT day across the ocean from me. Last Edited by joinca on 08/23/2012 06:22 PM "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cesium, I checked the times and I think your CME may be showing up here: Quoting: madajs [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080] In your video the filament erupts at 8-23 0500UT and that is the same time of the eruption of the earth facing CME showing on iSWA. Doesn't look geoeffective though. Thank you for that Mada : ) That does appear to be one of the Ejections(possibly)and it's direction is'nt toward Earth though it did erupt from the region that is supposedly 'Magnetically Tethered' to our Planet so we may see some High Energy Particles arrive as a result. There was at least 3 eruptions/ejections on the 48 Hour Mpeg I linked above..all on the Earthside of the Disc,There should be more shown in the ENLIL sim you linked,don't you think so? Check it [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] 3 in the South and one possibly in the North? They should be on ENLIL as two of them in the South definitely caused CME's? Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 08/23/2012 06:36 PM The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The one on the Southern Mid portion of the Sun is'nt on ENLIL? Neither is the 'Heart' shaped regions' eruption? Oh well,nevermind. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This one slipped by... Quoting: joinca Space Weather Message Code: ALTEF3 Serial Number: 1948 Issue Time: 2012 Aug 23 1506 UTC CONTINUED ALERT: Electron 2MeV Integral Flux exceeded 1000pfu Continuation of Serial Number: 1947 Begin Time: 2012 Aug 21 1255 UTC Yesterday Maximum 2MeV Flux: 3112 pfu Potential Impacts: Satellite systems may experience significant charging resulting in increased risk to satellite systems. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] We'll see the Electron Flux Fraggle out in tandum with the Magnetometers as the high speed SW from CH503 begins lashing Earth within the couple of Days [link to www.solen.info] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Hello by the way JCA : ) Hope you are good. Hello there SC! You sure help with the info. Have a GREAT day across the ocean from me. Thank you for always posting interesting articles and info here also CA - It's 23:40PM here so the Day is done,though I shall enjoy what is left of it : ) [link to www.youtube.com] I hope you have a great Day on your side of the Pond aswell Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 08/23/2012 07:00 PM The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | H.Alpha [link to halpha.nso.edu] <--- First Filament Ejection. And here on Big Bear we can see the other Southern Ejection almost complete as well when you compare the Heart shaped regions Filament that was in the first link above with this runthrough you'll notice the bulk of it is completely gone [link to halpha.nso.ed] = Filament Ejection x 3. Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 08/23/2012 06:54 PM The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Feynmanschild User ID: 1437851 United States 08/23/2012 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? |
nerdrage88sasr User ID: 5454923 Australia 08/23/2012 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | H.Alpha [link to halpha.nso.edu] <--- First Filament Ejection. Quoting: Spittin'Cesium And here on Big Bear we can see the other Southern Ejection almost complete as well when you compare the Heart shaped regions Filament that was in the first link above with this runthrough you'll notice the bulk of it is completely gone [link to halpha.nso.ed] = Filament Ejection x 3. great stuff my friend! UH OH... [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] "Luck is what happens when preparation meets Oppurtunity"-- Seneca (5BC-65AD) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16845676 United States 08/23/2012 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? Quoting: Feynmanschild only if you believe |
nerdrage88sasr User ID: 5454923 Australia 08/23/2012 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? Quoting: Feynmanschild he is right, we have been saying this for a while...we still have some protection from the Magneto....then we have our atmosphere as well that provides some protection...i think even NASA is worried about the collapse of the Van Allen Belts...hence the launch of the Radiation Belt Storm Probes today your time? Peace "Luck is what happens when preparation meets Oppurtunity"-- Seneca (5BC-65AD) |
nerdrage88sasr User ID: 5454923 Australia 08/23/2012 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? Quoting: Feynmanschild only if you believe heya Goofy! "Luck is what happens when preparation meets Oppurtunity"-- Seneca (5BC-65AD) |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes,looking through some of the images here [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] of our Fields etc. we have been taking something pretty badly for a little while. As to whether our Planet is safe or not,I can't answer such a question. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
nerdrage88sasr User ID: 5454923 Australia 08/23/2012 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TEC in 3 seperate more intense patches this morning.. [link to www.ips.gov.au] "Luck is what happens when preparation meets Oppurtunity"-- Seneca (5BC-65AD) |
joinca User ID: 8793176 United States 08/23/2012 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is an interesting one: "Aug 14-22 - No observations due to painting at top of tower" [link to obs.astro.ucla.edu] The 150-Foot Solar Tower at Mt. Wilson Observatory [link to obs.astro.ucla.edu] "The government will one day be corrupt and full of liars, and the people will flock to the one that tells the truth." - “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” - "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - "A Country with no Border, is not a country" -- Thomas Jefferson We MUST NEVER forget what Kamala Harris did to Justice Kavanaugh & his family! |
nerdrage88sasr User ID: 5454923 Australia 08/23/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is an interesting one: Quoting: joinca "Aug 14-22 - No observations due to painting at top of tower" [link to obs.astro.ucla.edu] The 150-Foot Solar Tower at Mt. Wilson Observatory [link to obs.astro.ucla.edu] BAHAHA...nice find Joinca [link to www.ips.gov.au] "Luck is what happens when preparation meets Oppurtunity"-- Seneca (5BC-65AD) |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | H.Alpha [link to halpha.nso.edu] <--- First Filament Ejection. Quoting: Spittin'Cesium And here on Big Bear we can see the other Southern Ejection almost complete as well when you compare the Heart shaped regions Filament that was in the first link above with this runthrough you'll notice the bulk of it is completely gone [link to halpha.nso.ed] = Filament Ejection x 3. great stuff my friend! UH OH... [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] HAARP 1 Hour Data [link to www.haarp.alaska.edu] . Hope you are good there 88 : ) The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When I see the Electrons clearly seperated in concentration like that it makes me think they are responding to so some kind of Stimulus from Magnetic Fields,potentially. Hey 88,check out this strange little blob of a closed Polar Field just infront of the Magnetopause on the CCMC site [link to ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov] ? It's been there for a little while,take a look through the updates,I've been seeing strangenesses I can't fully explain. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
optimum judgment User ID: 11833801 Hungary 08/23/2012 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone finding it a little strange that the 1-8 Angstrom Line(Red Line)on the X-Rays [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] is'nt responding much if at all to the rises in the 0.5-4.0 Angstroms? Quoting: Spittin'Cesium I know that the 0.4-4.0 Angstrom readings have'nt been showing much at all but I have seen some peaks in it that would usually have also nudged up the 1-8 Angstroms..it's a little strange..a little. Also the 'Dark Count' [link to lasp.colorado.edu] has been showing very consistent rhythm as you can see in the link..a small rise followed by a larger,happening for the last 4 Days(3 Days shown on the graph)at exactly the same times!? Does anyone have a working knowledge on exactly what the Dark Count represents? I think it is a measure of the state of the Solar Plasmas but I am not sure,I know in Plasma Physics 'Dark' is a term used to describe a Plasmas current state. Anyhoo.I'm about to eat my Dinner. Luv to you all its a measure of dark pixels to light pixels wich denotes the suns poler regions the north pole of the sun is mostly dark pixels with a smattering of light and the south pole is mostly white with a smattering of dark when the poles flip they will switch,when white pixels outnumber black at the north pole it will flip,the opposite can be said for the south . this scientist uses this way of measuring the suns poles as well you can see it in his vid [link to www.youtube.com] |
whiteangel also known as WA User ID: 1775746 United States 08/23/2012 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this site bogus: [link to www.haarpstatus.com] If not it sure is hot over FL Isaiah 5:20 KJV Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Thread: Being Prepared - Updated Basic Food List On Page One |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone finding it a little strange that the 1-8 Angstrom Line(Red Line)on the X-Rays [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] is'nt responding much if at all to the rises in the 0.5-4.0 Angstroms? Quoting: Spittin'Cesium I know that the 0.4-4.0 Angstrom readings have'nt been showing much at all but I have seen some peaks in it that would usually have also nudged up the 1-8 Angstroms..it's a little strange..a little. Also the 'Dark Count' [link to lasp.colorado.edu] has been showing very consistent rhythm as you can see in the link..a small rise followed by a larger,happening for the last 4 Days(3 Days shown on the graph)at exactly the same times!? Does anyone have a working knowledge on exactly what the Dark Count represents? I think it is a measure of the state of the Solar Plasmas but I am not sure,I know in Plasma Physics 'Dark' is a term used to describe a Plasmas current state. Anyhoo.I'm about to eat my Dinner. Luv to you all its a measure of dark pixels to light pixels wich denotes the suns poler regions the north pole of the sun is mostly dark pixels with a smattering of light and the south pole is mostly white with a smattering of dark when the poles flip they will switch,when white pixels outnumber black at the north pole it will flip,the opposite can be said for the south . this scientist uses this way of measuring the suns poles as well you can see it in his vid Thank you for posting the video and comment : ) That video is from a chap named Dr.Keith Strong,he has actually worked on a fair few Solar Projects for NASA and the like..I enjoy his Solar videos though I do find him a little bit of a stick in the mud when it comes to any new Theories about Solar/Geo Sciences : ) In that video he was discussing Coronal Holes and the Polarities of each Hemisphere so far in their transitions,I don't think the Dark Count on the EVE Diodes [link to lasp.colorado.edu] is related to either..I thought it was somehow a measurement on the overall state of a Plasma(like in Plasma Physics) - though I could be extremely wrong : ) The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As far as I can tell it looks bogus,I have seen it before and still do not know what it is they are supposed to be measuring in that graph and where they get what-ever it is they are measuring from!? Anybody out there know what they are supposed to be showing? What is their Magnitude a measurement of!? The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone finding it a little strange that the 1-8 Angstrom Line(Red Line)on the X-Rays [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] is'nt responding much if at all to the rises in the 0.5-4.0 Angstroms? Quoting: Spittin'Cesium I know that the 0.4-4.0 Angstrom readings have'nt been showing much at all but I have seen some peaks in it that would usually have also nudged up the 1-8 Angstroms..it's a little strange..a little. Also the 'Dark Count' [link to lasp.colorado.edu] has been showing very consistent rhythm as you can see in the link..a small rise followed by a larger,happening for the last 4 Days(3 Days shown on the graph)at exactly the same times!? Does anyone have a working knowledge on exactly what the Dark Count represents? I think it is a measure of the state of the Solar Plasmas but I am not sure,I know in Plasma Physics 'Dark' is a term used to describe a Plasmas current state. Anyhoo.I'm about to eat my Dinner. Luv to you all its a measure of dark pixels to light pixels wich denotes the suns poler regions the north pole of the sun is mostly dark pixels with a smattering of light and the south pole is mostly white with a smattering of dark when the poles flip they will switch,when white pixels outnumber black at the north pole it will flip,the opposite can be said for the south . this scientist uses this way of measuring the suns poles as well you can see it in his vid [link to www.youtube.com] Are you sure that is what is represented in the 'Dark Count'? Thank you in advance. Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 08/23/2012 08:45 PM The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
shenue User ID: 5263313 United States 08/23/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? Quoting: Feynmanschild he is right, we have been saying this for a while...we still have some protection from the Magneto....then we have our atmosphere as well that provides some protection...i think even NASA is worried about the collapse of the Van Allen Belts...hence the launch of the Radiation Belt Storm Probes today your time? Peace Not really important but RBSP launches Friday 8-24 just after 4 a.m. I think it is something like 4:05 a.m. local time. (Eastern time) Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. |
shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States 08/23/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As far as I can tell it looks bogus,I have seen it before and still do not know what it is they are supposed to be measuring in that graph and where they get what-ever it is they are measuring from!? Anybody out there know what they are supposed to be showing? What is their Magnitude a measurement of!? That site is very strange, it posts what I believe to be predicted events(hurricane). It had the southwest on fire several months ago during those severe wind outbreaks, but days early? Hey guys long day today, hows that filament doing thats coming around the corner? “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? Quoting: Feynmanschild he is right, we have been saying this for a while...we still have some protection from the Magneto....then we have our atmosphere as well that provides some protection...i think even NASA is worried about the collapse of the Van Allen Belts...hence the launch of the Radiation Belt Storm Probes today your time? Peace Not really important but RBSP launches Friday 8-24 just after 4 a.m. I think it is something like 4:05 a.m. local time. (Eastern time) Tiss' really quite important! Thank you Shen : ) Your hubby worked on these projects afterall,whens' he due back? The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
shadasonic User ID: 15732022 United States 08/23/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 min. news guy ,suspicious observer said today that our magnetosphere has proven again how diminished its energy is,small solar events making it through? I know how the sun and the earth work,but am somewhat new to these strange events of unprecedence. Is our planet safe? Quoting: Feynmanschild he is right, we have been saying this for a while...we still have some protection from the Magneto....then we have our atmosphere as well that provides some protection...i think even NASA is worried about the collapse of the Van Allen Belts...hence the launch of the Radiation Belt Storm Probes today your time? Peace Not really important but RBSP launches Friday 8-24 just after 4 a.m. I think it is something like 4:05 a.m. local time. (Eastern time) Looking forward to what news that brings! Hey Shenue tell your hubby thanks for his hard work! “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 Netherlands 08/23/2012 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As far as I can tell it looks bogus,I have seen it before and still do not know what it is they are supposed to be measuring in that graph and where they get what-ever it is they are measuring from!? Anybody out there know what they are supposed to be showing? What is their Magnitude a measurement of!? That site is very strange, it posts what I believe to be predicted events(hurricane). It had the southwest on fire several months ago during those severe wind outbreaks, but days early? Hey guys long day today, hows that filament doing thats coming around the corner? Hello there Shada Which one!? There have been three Filament ejections Today,two causing CMEs',they were visable on H.Alpha earlier when I posted [link to halpha.nso.edu] though only one in the middle can be seen now. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |