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SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily)

 
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allllrighty!!

Good morning y'all.
I hope y'all are doing well. I think all the pre-cme particles have me feeling a bit rough, well, something does anyway.

Proton flux still high:

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

EPAM protons still way up

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
cap:
[link to i1165.photobucket.com]

SIS still running high:
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]


Bz is still WAY south, but we don't have much solar wind to speak of--approx 300km/s.

And finally, the last 12 hrs or so have shown an uptick in density, though radial speed and temp remain low.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Two days, count um, two days with both Ninz and Hugh posting!! hf

Happy times, happy times!
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looks like spaceweather added to their report on thei Filament CME
"NOAA forecasters estimate a 40% chance of strong polar geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on Sept. 3rd."

the front of the CME arrived yesterday and barley glanced or did anything at all
but, it would appear that NOAA is also watching what i am, and thats the super black dense mass from this CME that is still enrout in space
Here you can see the mass im speaking of off to the fer left in this image as it is seen at 01:47 UTC
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
and here we can see it much better in the latest HI2 image at 07:48
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

believe me, it that does hit, we will all know it

here is the images of the CME cloud on HI1 for Sept 26, 2011
that cloud caused a Kp8 Geomagnetic Storm
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
i added these to show how its more about impact
and when we see very dense mass such as what we see today, we are super lucky when it does not give a direct hit
Because if the cloud on the 2 images directly above can cause a Kp8 (with a good hit) can you just imagine what the CME cloud we see today would do if it hit us just right?
 Quoting: NiNzrez 12844841


that thicker chunk of plasma we are seeing on the HI2 images is more than likley from this chunk of plasma we seen on the STEREO B images on Aug 31
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
it appears to have not lost to much mass enroute in space
we will see better as it gets closer to Earth
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we can see here [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the slight effects we have been seeing in solar weather starting on Sept 1st (from the very front, less dense portion of the CME)
today, we are seeing movement in the PHI angle, as we can see on the above graph
here is the 24hr graph for a better view of the PHI angle changes seen today
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

What is the PHI angle seen on ACE?
Why do we watch this data?
[link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com]

We watch the Phi angle at ACE
we can see this here
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
The Phi angle = Interplanetary magnetic field polar angle
Phi is the angle of the interplanetary magnetic field that is being carried out by the solar wind
[link to helios.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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looks like spaceweather added to their report on thei Filament CME
"NOAA forecasters estimate a 40% chance of strong polar geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on Sept. 3rd."

the front of the CME arrived yesterday and barley glanced or did anything at all
but, it would appear that NOAA is also watching what i am, and thats the super black dense mass from this CME that is still enrout in space
Here you can see the mass im speaking of off to the fer left in this image as it is seen at 01:47 UTC
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
and here we can see it much better in the latest HI2 image at 07:48
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

believe me, it that does hit, we will all know it

here is the images of the CME cloud on HI1 for Sept 26, 2011
that cloud caused a Kp8 Geomagnetic Storm
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
i added these to show how its more about impact
and when we see very dense mass such as what we see today, we are super lucky when it does not give a direct hit
Because if the cloud on the 2 images directly above can cause a Kp8 (with a good hit) can you just imagine what the CME cloud we see today would do if it hit us just right?
 Quoting: NiNzrez 12844841


Nin do you have more of an idea (I'd love your opinion) with the new info/images that came out today, or are we still very much dependent on that 20 minute window to see what kind of impact this may have ?
 Quoting: TS66


we are still on that 20min window, sorry :/
this CME was off to the eastern limb, but it was flung (for lack of a better word) all over the place durring ejection
because of this, the mass trajectory is so hard to calculate
it could go about anywhere
i keep trying to go over the movies of the Filament ejection on Aug 31st to see if i can tell the direction of the main mass, and i just cant say for sure at all
so we have to waite and see what shows up on ACE
but, i for one will be glues to the monitors through the day to see what shows, because if that main mass hits, wow that will show up super easy and leave no question as to it's arrival
Everything will spike
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Good morning all hf

According to Solen [link to www.solen.info]

Region 11560 [N03W05] developed further with a magnetic delta structure forming in the trailing spot section. A major flare is possible. The region was the source of a long duration C2.8 event peaking before 04h UTC on September 2. This event was associated with a CME which could be aimed at Earth given the center disk location of the source. STEREO-A displays a CME, however, LASCO imagery may change the evaluation of the importance of the CME.

The geomagnetic field is expected to be quiet to unsettled on September 2. A CME could reach Earth on September 3 and cause active to major storm conditions that day and on September 4. The CME observed early on September 2 could reach Earth on September 5 and cause unsettled to minor storm conditions.

20-60% chance of M and/or X flares
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just me but the filament was beautiful...and 2 day off from being an issue....now 1560 and 1564...i would keep an eye on them.
i felt 1560 would be BGD right when it would be earth facing....
now lets watch and hope that weird thing happens where it does nothing until it rounds the western limb!
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Oh, and I don't think that this ever cooled down last night

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now that is what it is like to look down the barrel of a loaded gun!

[link to sdowww.lmsal.com]
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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Oh, and I don't think that this ever cooled down last night

[link to www.ips.gov.au]
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it is a little lower then when i went to sleep ...at 4am...
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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looks like spaceweather added to their report on thei Filament CME
"NOAA forecasters estimate a 40% chance of strong polar geomagnetic storms when the cloud arrives on Sept. 3rd."

the front of the CME arrived yesterday and barley glanced or did anything at all
but, it would appear that NOAA is also watching what i am, and thats the super black dense mass from this CME that is still enrout in space
Here you can see the mass im speaking of off to the fer left in this image as it is seen at 01:47 UTC
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
and here we can see it much better in the latest HI2 image at 07:48
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]

believe me, it that does hit, we will all know it

here is the images of the CME cloud on HI1 for Sept 26, 2011
that cloud caused a Kp8 Geomagnetic Storm
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
[link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov]
i added these to show how its more about impact
and when we see very dense mass such as what we see today, we are super lucky when it does not give a direct hit
Because if the cloud on the 2 images directly above can cause a Kp8 (with a good hit) can you just imagine what the CME cloud we see today would do if it hit us just right?
 Quoting: NiNzrez 12844841


Nin do you have more of an idea (I'd love your opinion) with the new info/images that came out today, or are we still very much dependent on that 20 minute window to see what kind of impact this may have ?
 Quoting: TS66


we are still on that 20min window, sorry :/
this CME was off to the eastern limb, but it was flung (for lack of a better word) all over the place durring ejection
because of this, the mass trajectory is so hard to calculate
it could go about anywhere
i keep trying to go over the movies of the Filament ejection on Aug 31st to see if i can tell the direction of the main mass, and i just cant say for sure at all
so we have to waite and see what shows up on ACE
but, i for one will be glues to the monitors through the day to see what shows, because if that main mass hits, wow that will show up super easy and leave no question as to it's arrival
Everything will spike
 Quoting: NiNzrez


Thanks Nin ... it's much appreciated. None of us have that magic crystal ball, and your knowledge is worth so much more.

hf
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Shows mid lat aurora [link to amunters.home.xs4all.nl] Solarham shows it too [link to www.solarham.net] wtf

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Good morning Suncrew- first thing I looked at this am was 1560- that is one scary looking spot! It's going to produce soon ,eh? The watch is on...
sun
Rut-roh, Bz= way south, yikes!
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
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Good morning Suncrew- first thing I looked at this am was 1560- that is one scary looking spot! It's going to produce soon ,eh? The watch is on...
sun
Rut-roh, Bz= way south, yikes!
 Quoting: SpiderJones


[link to www.solarham.net]

Its almost BGD, that center needs to wrap a little tighter, but its growth has stalled. Its still plenty big enough to give us a nice event!
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Strong flare in progress now.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Strong flare in progress now.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Strong flare in progress now.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Glp effect killed it
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Beg 02/1800 B6.7
Max 02/1810 C5.5

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Strong flare in progress now.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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I would love to stay and watch and see what's next ... but word of mouth and networking is what pays the mortgage .....

Have a wonderful afternoon all.

Can't wait to come back and catch up hf
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Strong flare in progress now.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Glp effect killed it
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Glp effect has an enormous power at this time. dance

Last Edited by BloodyT3CH on 09/02/2012 02:15 PM
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Nasa is so concerned about the effects of solar wind that it just spent 680+ million to launch these new satilites and to study the effects on the Van Allen belt. Mission: to improve Space Weather predictions!!!
Is someone worried, do ya think?
[link to www.boston.com]

I know that this news is a few days old, but it is a good indicator that we have Sun trouble ahead.
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Strong flare in progress now.

[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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Glp effect killed it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8320624

Glp effect has an enormous power at this time. dance
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LOL, if this were true, we would have nothing to worry about..... however ....

ciao
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
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Anyone can respond me?
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Big Bear H-alpha movie shows AR1560 flaring. Keep in mind we saw a CME from a C3 flare earlier today.

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
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Anyone can respond me?
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They mentioned something about Eastern time late tonight to Sept. 3rd.
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
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Anyone can respond me?
 Quoting: Luisport


Varying opinions .... anytime today through late tomorrow. Pieces of strewn plasma from the ejecta at any point.
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
 Quoting: Luisport


Anyone can respond me?
 Quoting: Luisport

I believe it will hit earth tomorrow morning.
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
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Anyone can respond me?
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One of the mysteries of the universe...LOL
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Ok thank's!hf
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Hi everyone!hf Anyone knows how much time lefts to this dense plasma to arrive? Thank you again for all this wonderfull brainstorming!
 Quoting: Luisport


Anyone can respond me?
 Quoting: Luisport


Solarham says tomorrow mid day, but we 're getting proton accum. from the flare and we've had our density fluctuate, so we've had early mild plasma responses. Bz has been riding south so anything moderate will give us a bit of trouble, denser plasma tonight through tomorrow

Last Edited by Thinking out loud on 09/02/2012 02:23 PM
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Big Bear H-alpha movie shows AR1560 flaring. Keep in mind we saw a CME from a C3 flare earlier today.

[link to halpha.nso.edu]
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Ramping up !!!

[link to lasp.colorado.edu]
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Space Weather Message Code: WARPX1
Serial Number: 381
Issue Time: 2012 Sep 02 1755 UTC
EXTENDED WARNING: Proton 10MeV Integral Flux above 10pfu expected
Extension to Serial Number: 380
Valid From: 2012 Sep 01 1152 UTC
Now Valid Until: 2012 Sep 03 1800 UTC
Warning Condition: Persistence
Predicted NOAA Scale: S1 - Minor
Potential Impacts: Radio - Minor impacts on polar HF (high frequency) radio propagation resulting in fades at lower frequencies.
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]

Also warming up:
HF frequency affected by 1dB absorption
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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