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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 24399306 United States 10/08/2012 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did the M flare come from 1585 or 82? Just woke up and can't seem to find data or maybe still half asleep :) Quoting: whiteangel M2.3 Flare on 10/8/2012 @ 11:17 UTC - Sunspot (un-numbered north east limb) [link to www.lmsal.com] Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 24399306 United States 10/08/2012 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Want to ask you experts about proton density... how many protons/cm3 are we talking for a proton storm? How many protons /cm3 for a S1, S2 and so on? Cannot seem to find that info online.... Quoting: vivaveritas 3017266 S1, S2 (and so on) storms are solar radiation storms [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the Physical measure is located to the right of the storm size :) Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3017266 Sweden 10/08/2012 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Want to ask you experts about proton density... how many protons/cm3 are we talking for a proton storm? How many protons /cm3 for a S1, S2 and so on? Cannot seem to find that info online.... Quoting: vivaveritas 3017266 S1, S2 (and so on) storms are solar radiation storms [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the Physical measure is located to the right of the storm size :) Thanks Nin - but how to transfer that measure into protons/cm3?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3017266 Sweden 10/08/2012 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Want to ask you experts about proton density... how many protons/cm3 are we talking for a proton storm? How many protons /cm3 for a S1, S2 and so on? Cannot seem to find that info online.... Quoting: vivaveritas 3017266 S1, S2 (and so on) storms are solar radiation storms [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the Physical measure is located to the right of the storm size :) Thanks Nin - but how to transfer that measure into protons/cm3?? I mean at what protons/cm3 rate should we be alarmed about a proton storm? |
El Quisqueyano User ID: 25120596 United States 10/08/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: El Quisqueyano Its coming around the bend good buddy,this looks like an impressive CME from that M. I've been looking for that area but solarsoft hasn't updated in 3 days |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 24399306 United States 10/08/2012 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Want to ask you experts about proton density... how many protons/cm3 are we talking for a proton storm? How many protons /cm3 for a S1, S2 and so on? Cannot seem to find that info online.... Quoting: vivaveritas 3017266 S1, S2 (and so on) storms are solar radiation storms [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the Physical measure is located to the right of the storm size :) Thanks Nin - but how to transfer that measure into protons/cm3?? well for instance on the scale list, we see a S3 storm is reached with 10>3 Flux level of >= 10 MeV particles (ions)* so we look over at the proton monitor here [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] on the proton monitor we can see the level reached with the reading sizes on the left Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 24399306 United States 10/08/2012 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Want to ask you experts about proton density... how many protons/cm3 are we talking for a proton storm? How many protons /cm3 for a S1, S2 and so on? Cannot seem to find that info online.... Quoting: vivaveritas 3017266 S1, S2 (and so on) storms are solar radiation storms [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the Physical measure is located to the right of the storm size :) Thanks Nin - but how to transfer that measure into protons/cm3?? I mean at what protons/cm3 rate should we be alarmed about a proton storm? S4 is Severe S5 is Extreme both are alarming levels [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] to the right of the storm size it tells what the common effects are for each storm level Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 24399306 United States 10/08/2012 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so the source of last night's M-flare was the unnamed region yet to rotate into view? Does anybody know if this region has been intensifying or subsiding lately? Quoting: mtn_mang And good morning, Solar Family! :D Good Morning! yup thats where it came from :) i have been watching the backside regions and this one looks to have remained around the same size (region is in the top right section) [link to stereo-ssc.nascom.nasa.gov] Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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NiNzrez (OP) User ID: 24399306 United States 10/08/2012 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nice sized CME produced with this mornings M flare not earth directed the region that produced this will be Earth facing in the next few days Join Me On The GLP SOLAR WATCH Thread Thread: SOLAR WATCH * Huge X8.2 Flare Sept. 10, 2017! (Updated Daily) |
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Hugh M Eye User ID: 22914370 United States 10/08/2012 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the STEREO B EUVI movie it looks like a large region involving both hemispheres are affected by this event. Possibly more than one event, as the CME may have come from the southern hemisphere hours later. It's difficult to analyze as we have limited views of the activity far-side. [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] SDO Composite image of M-flare: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] What appears to be another CME in the south (3 hours later): [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25170768 Germany 10/08/2012 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the STEREO B EUVI movie it looks like a large region involving both hemispheres are affected by this event. Possibly more than one event, as the CME may have come from the southern hemisphere hours later. It's difficult to analyze as we have limited views of the activity far-side. Quoting: Hugh M Eye [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] SDO Composite image of M-flare: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] What appears to be another CME in the south (3 hours later): [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov] wow, the stereo behind is pretty impressive. The flare set off at least 2 different kind of events: the sunspot below flared and to the right there was another hyder flare which set off the CME (this is the reason why it is southward oriented). Interestingly, this flare looks just like the one we had yesterday, leaving a "scarr" on the sun... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16845676 United States 10/08/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SOLAR FLARE: This morning, Oct. 8th at 1117 UT, a solar flare erupted on the northeastern edge of the sun's disk. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme ultraviolet flash: [link to www.spaceweather.com] |
madajs User ID: 24791599 Canada 10/08/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like that CME gave us some good action last night! Potsdam recorded a high of Kp 7- [link to www-app3.gfz-potsdam.de] , and even NOAA estimated two 6's. Might be a little more fun on the way, Bz just plummeted past -15 [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] and a G1 warning was issued: ===================== Space Weather Message Code: WARK05 Serial Number: 806 Issue Time: 2012 Oct 08 1756 UTC WARNING: Geomagnetic K-index of 5 expected Valid From: 2012 Oct 08 1800 UTC Valid To: 2012 Oct 08 2359 UTC Warning Condition: Onset NOAA Scale: G1 - Minor NOAA Space Weather Scale descriptions can be found at www.swpc.noaa.gov/NOAAscales Potential Impacts: Area of impact primarily poleward of 60 degrees Geomagnetic Latitude. Induced Currents - Weak power grid fluctuations can occur. Spacecraft - Minor impact on satellite operations possible. Aurora - Aurora may be visible at high latitudes, i.e., northern tier of the U.S. such as northern Michigan and Maine. ======================= PS. It seems over at geoeffective enlil [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] they've seen their mistake and put back up the 10-5 model run that shows the CME that just hit. Looks like the erasure was a glitch Last Edited by madajs on 10/08/2012 03:20 PM And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16845676 United States 10/08/2012 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SOLAR FLARE: This morning, Oct. 8th at 1117 UT, a solar flare erupted on the northeastern edge of the sun's disk. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme ultraviolet flash: Quoting: Goofy for God [link to www.spaceweather.com] The explosion heralds the arrival of a farside active region, which will turn toward Earth later this week. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16845676 United States 10/08/2012 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SOLAR FLARE: This morning, Oct. 8th at 1117 UT, a solar flare erupted on the northeastern edge of the sun's disk. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme ultraviolet flash: Quoting: Goofy for God [link to www.spaceweather.com] The explosion heralds the arrival of a farside active region, which will turn toward Earth later this week. [link to stereo.ssl.berkeley.edu] Big one at end for today |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 976979 United Kingdom 10/08/2012 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hello all : ) Just popping by to say whoa! Random. I'm not on my Cpu. so I am just a observer tonight : ? The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
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madajs User ID: 24791599 Canada 10/08/2012 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Want to ask you experts about proton density... how many protons/cm3 are we talking for a proton storm? How many protons /cm3 for a S1, S2 and so on? Cannot seem to find that info online.... Quoting: vivaveritas 3017266 S1, S2 (and so on) storms are solar radiation storms [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] the Physical measure is located to the right of the storm size :) Thanks Nin - but how to transfer that measure into protons/cm3?? I mean at what protons/cm3 rate should we be alarmed about a proton storm? I think you are getting plasma density and proton flux mixed up. I don't believe proton flux/radiation storms are generally measured in r2N/cm3, that is usually used for plasma density. Plasma density is a measure of how dense solar wind is, or a CME. The higher the r2N/cm3 plasma density count, the denser the solar wind or CME is, and the more impact will be felt/geomagnetic storming can occur. I know next to nothing about solar radiation storms (S1, S2, etc.) but NiN linked you to plenty to understand that side of things (not related to plasma density as far as I know, and generally won't be measured in cm3). Last Edited by madajs on 10/09/2012 03:47 PM And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 976979 United Kingdom 10/08/2012 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ACE Data showing Bz is very much South - More incoming! [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] . The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 976979 United Kingdom 10/08/2012 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DRap showing absorption [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] if only a very little. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
madajs User ID: 24791599 Canada 10/08/2012 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya but I can't find any density anywhere, so the G1 warning may not fulfill itself, hmm "Caution: ACE Maneuver" <-- I take this to mean the satellite is in maneuvers at the moment and it's readings might not be particularly accurate for the moment? [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] PS. Almost reached 40,000 posts in this thread :) Last Edited by madajs on 10/08/2012 04:19 PM And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning: "That path leads ever down into stagnation." |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 976979 United Kingdom 10/08/2012 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya but I can't find any density anywhere, so the G1 warning may not fulfill itself, hmm Yes,that is a bit of a problem : ) An ongoing one with ACE - It could be due to the IMF also being very much South,which it is - CH Stream. I'm flying blind here as I am not on my Cpu. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
Spittin'Cesium User ID: 976979 United Kingdom 10/08/2012 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ya but I can't find any density anywhere, so the G1 warning may not fulfill itself, hmm "Caution: ACE Maneuver" <-- I take this to mean the satellite is in maneuvers at the moment and it's readings might not be particularly accurate for the moment? [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] Aye'..that should help explain it! The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
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