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| Thirty Seven
User ID: 7192
 United States
8/13/2005 11:09 PM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Deception
Diversion
Lunacy
Piracy
Instigate
Orchastrate
Propagate
Deviate
Manipulate
Subjugate
Lagitiamize
Sanitize
Take your pick..............
"Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more, or fill the wall up with our English dead."
With these words, Henry V urged his soldiers forward during the siege of Harfleur in 1415, heartening his weary soldiers to gather their remaining energy one more time. In retrospect this battle preserved the independence of England, which, of course, made it possible for the USA to be the USA...But that´s a different story.
God be with you all
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8548
United States
8/13/2005 11:28 PM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
15210:
SA= Saudi Arabia |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 185
United States
8/13/2005 11:38 PM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
At about this same time, a new CIA officer joined Vertefeuille’s team. Dan Payne, was an ambitious 29-year old investigator with an accounting background who thought the best way to catch a mole was by looking for unexplained wealth. Ames had just about finished his tour in Rome, meanwhile, and was preparing to move back to headquarters. During a final face-to-face meeting, his Russian handler gave him a nine-page letter that contained instructions for how he would be contacted after he returned to Washington. The note also assured Ames that he would be paid a yearly salary of $300,000 as long as he continued spying. The KGB also said it had deeded him several acres of land to use when he “retired.” It was just outside Moscow along a beautiful river. Touched, Ames kept both the note and three Polaroid color photos of the land -- a move he would later deeply regret.
Photo of land set aside for Ames
Rick and Rosario’s friend, Diana Worthen, was stunned when she welcomed the couple back to the U.S. in the fall of 1989. She had worked with Ames in Mexico City and had known Rosario before they had married. Worthen couldn’t believe how wealthy they seemed. The Ameses bought a $540,000 suburban house with cash. Rick purchased a new Jaguar XJ-6 and Rosario refurnished the entire house. But it was the new draperies that would prove to be too much for Worthen. Rosario had invited her over one afternoon for coffee and to show her fabric samples.
“Help me choose,” Rosario said.
“Okay,” replied Worthen, “which room are you going to do first?” She had just had drapes put up in her house and knew they were expensive.
Rosario laughed. “Diana, don’t worry about the price. I am going to have the whole house done at once.”
“Where the hell did they suddenly get all of this money,” she wondered. Unlike her colleagues at the CIA, Diana knew that Rosario’s family in Colombia wasn’t wealthy. Rosario had confided in her when they both were living in Mexico City that her parents in Colombia, while socially prominent, were poor. Suspicious, Worthen notified Sandy Grimes, a close friend who was part of the mole hunting team. Grimes didn’t need anyone to twist her arm. She had always been suspicious of Ames because she knew he was bitter about being passed over repeatedly for promotions, especially since he thought he was smarter than his peers.
Grimes began digging into Ames’s past contacts with the Soviets in Washington D.C. while Dan Payne plunged into his finances. When Payne obtained access to the Ameses’ credit records, he discovered the couple routinely charged $18,000 to $30,000 per month even though Ames was drawing a salary of $69,843 per year. Despite this, there was no proof of wrongdoing and when Vertefeuille asked a CIA officer in Bogota to make several discreet inquiries there about Rosario’s family, the officer reported that Worthen was mistaken. Rosario’s relatives were among the wealthiest families in Colombia. Only later would the CIA learn that its officer in Bogota had only spoken to one source, a family priest who had no first hand knowledge but knew only rumors about the family’s finances.
The mole hunting team seemed stymied until Sandy Grimes noticed that the dates of Ames’s 1985 bank deposits matched the days that he had lunch with Sergey Chuvakhin. Incredibly, Ames had taken few precautions to hide his money, often depositing it on the way home from his lunchtime exchanges with the Russian.
Rushing down to Paul Redmond’s office, Grimes showed him her discovery. “It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to tell what is going on here,” she said. “Rick is a goddamn Russian spy!”
While the mole hunting team was busy zeroing in on Ames, he received a surprise telephone call from Sergey Fedorenko, his old Russian pal from New York City. He had been accused of being a spy after Ames first told the KGB about him, but he had managed through his family’s political connections to avoid arrest. He was now calling Ames from Canada where he was on a diplomatic trip. Ames arranged for him to be smuggled into the U.S. so they could meet in person. During their emotional reunion, Fedorenko said he wanted to move to the U.S. and Ames promised to help. Instead, as soon as Fedorenko left, he contacted the KGB and told them once again that Fedorenko was a traitor.
Rick Ames in FBI surveillance video
Armed with Sandy Grimes’ findings, the CIA contacted the FBI, since it is responsible for arresting spies in the U.S. Cameras were posted outside Ames’s home and in his office ceiling at the CIA’s headquarters; an electronic bug was hidden in his Jaguar. Yet, almost entirely by happenstance, Ames managed to elude agents when he made a “dead drop” delivery to the KGB. (At one point, an FBI airplane tailing him was forced to abandon its mission because Ames had driven under the flight zone being used by passenger jets landing at Washington’s Reagan National Airport.) Finally, on October 6, 1993, an industrious FBI agent stole the trash can from in front of Ames’s house and discovered a computer printer ribbon inside it that showed Ames had written several long letters to the Russians. Using that evidence, the FBI got approval to secretly break into Ames house while Rick and Rosario were out of town and plant hidden microphones. They also discovered a wealth of incriminating evidence, including the note that the KGB had given him in Rome. It turned out that Ames had made another colossal blunder. He had recently upgraded his word processing program on his computer and failed to realize that it automatically saved copies of documents that he typed. The FBI was able to recall every message he had typed.
Rosario Ames in FBI surveillance video
Over the next several weeks, the FBI listened to conversations between Rick and Rosario and quickly determined that she not only knew about his spying, but also constantly badgered him about demanding more money and being careful. FBI agents said later that the conversations they overheard made them want to arrest Rosario just as much as Ames. On the tapes, she could be heard sniveling about money, belittling her friends, and constantly berating Ames.
[link to www.crimelibrary.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 16485
United States
8/13/2005 11:40 PM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Wheeeeeeeeeee! Here come the piggy backers. Like clock work.
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| Old-fashioned Catholic
User ID: 19445
United States
8/14/2005 12:06 AM
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S&S, your posts are indeed quite intriguing, almost persuasive; but then, so were those of German Guy. The only way to interpret GG as anything but a total hoax would be to assert either that (a) his posts actually prevented an attack entirely (which is highly doubtful), or (b) the 12/26/04 tsunami was the product or by-product of human activity such as an underwater nuclear explosion, and was in some sense the attack he predicted.
Do you, S&S, have any information indicating that the 12/26 tsunami was anything but natural?
Also, S&S, I must point out that if you are indeed intelligence-employed (or ex-), it is *far* more likely that your posts are strategic half-truths (approved by at least some element of the Establishment) than honest truths. Indeed, if I were to interpret German Guy as anything but a total hoaxer, I would have to claim that his story of a Houston attack was a bizarre distortion of a nuclear-caused tsunami in the Indian Ocean. (Not that I actually believe that.)
My point is that the net result of your posts simply leaves us readers now with *two* scenarios, both plausible: (1) the more "conventional" (!) and more discussed one, involving an attack on Chicago or another heartland city to justify an attack on Iran, and now (2) yours, involving an attack on New York to justify a war-footing economy and an occupation of Saudi Arabia. Our dilemma is that the greater the number of plausible scenarios, the less actionable the supposed information is.
And by the way, I feel obliged to respond to your (or perhaps your European friends´) slur about the election and re-election of George W. Bush:
1) By your own admission, recent Democrat administrations have also committed terrorist attacks on the American people. Indeed, the 9/11 attack *must* have been planned years in advance, during a Democrat administration. Hence, I see no major difference between the parties in this respect--particularly in the 2004 election, when *both* major parties put up Skull&Bones candidates!
2) As long as the Democrat Party continues to insist on the murder of over one million unborn children by abortion every year, it cannot possibly get my vote. Europeans, like Americans, need to realize that if the Lord eventually permits the onset of a full-scale worldwide apocalypse, it will be because of abortion more than anything else, because no other mass murder has the same scale (both in body count and in public acquiescence/buy-in). |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 15896
 Canada
8/14/2005 12:07 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
You say :If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now.
What we are doing right now is being on this website call godlikeprodutions and it seems you are here too.So i guess we know the same things has you.
I trust in god and provide me everything i need.The rest is not important. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 19349
 Germany
8/14/2005 12:19 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
WIO, can I have a blowjob?  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20826
United States
8/14/2005 12:27 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
<S&S, your posts are indeed quite intriguing, almost persuasive; but then, so were those of German Guy. The only way to interpret GG as anything but a total hoax>
You know, just because there is no "big boom" I wouldn´t dismiss the entire thing. That makes no sense. That is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Also, you need to realize that many, many people now - especially those who post here - do not associate with either political party. Just because someone is critical of Bush you should not assume that means they are a democrat. Times have changed. |
| Trocaria
User ID: 20831
United States
8/14/2005 12:43 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Amen to that 4878. I voted for the bastard, twice. Both times was because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. Now, I know that he is the evil of two lessers.
God forgive me for having aided in the destruction of my nation.
"Why not stay awake now? Who wants to sleep now, with so much happening, so much to see? Living used to be dull, you see...
William Faulkner, "The Unvanquished" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5191
United States
8/14/2005 1:50 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
The sickest thing about posting a thread like this, is the absolute sensitivity of promoting a notion of widespread death and destruction without the reality of credible reference.
I live 18 miles from NYC, and I am sure many here are close as well. 15 people in my life died on Sept. 11, 2 being family members.
SS is no doubt a very well structured writer in both language usage and phrasing. I have done profiling work on law enforcement levels both local and federal. Observing this individuals written presence here is certainly interesting.
One of the techniques we used to use to pinpoint identities is similar to locating a radio broadcast which is often done from multiple points of distance from the origin. SS has done more than triangulate himself.
1) He states he was CIA
2) In Europe at present and travelling
3) Timeline comments indicate he is between 45-60 years old
4) Has named persons in his life
5) Reference to a fair knowledge base of structure of governmental and global politics
6) Indicated he was an analyst
And we can go on and on from there...
Well, if the man is real, he has blown his identity and anyone with federal employee database records such as an observing agency to this thread can certainly index his information and narrow him down to a handful of people. Therefore, and he would well know this, what is the point of remaining anonymous. There is obvious intent by him to namedrop in his comments.
If the man is fake, then he should be jailed and slapped for crying fire in a movie theatre. If the man is a fraud, HOW DARE HE create a false scare in the eyes of those of us who have been victimized by Sept. 11. If the man is a fraud, I would personally assault him myself for being so audacious.
I am curious if Trin has at least referenced IP´s to at least verify the initial posts were coming from outside of the USA. If this has already been done and I missed such posts, excuse me.
Let´s take it a step further, I am so outraged by the possibility of this man being a fraud I will indeed present this opportunity to certain contacts of my own to open an investigation. It is hardly an issue to subpoena records and start following this man´s IP backwards to a point of origin. It does not seem to me that a real individual with this background would be so stupid as to enter a public forum and think it is safe to post here because it can be done without registering or anonymously. I also do not believe he has the knowledge to proxy bounce his connection, therefore his identity is completely vlunerable.
For those of you commenting that this is a sysop thread, holy shit in plain English, get a grip. Your paranoia is grossly out of place. You would be more accurate to think GW is an alien. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2890
United States
8/14/2005 1:54 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
You would be more accurate to think GW is an alien
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Got that part right, invasion of the body-snatchers, eh? |
| Journey
User ID: 20854
United States
8/14/2005 1:56 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
so that 1/2 pint fellow accuses me of being the s&s OP.
and then leaves?
nice guy. |
| Trocaria
User ID: 20831
United States
8/14/2005 1:57 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Who´s scared?
I´m not.
I know that the fecal matter is due to hit the blades any minute now and would rather get it over with than wait and wait...
I,m more scared of the rising gas prices than by anything on this post.
"Why not stay awake now? Who wants to sleep now, with so much happening, so much to see? Living used to be dull, you see...
William Faulkner, "The Unvanquished" |
| Trocaria
User ID: 20831
United States
8/14/2005 1:58 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Journey:
I think that half pint is a girl mouse.
"Why not stay awake now? Who wants to sleep now, with so much happening, so much to see? Living used to be dull, you see...
William Faulkner, "The Unvanquished" |
| Journey
User ID: 20854
United States
8/14/2005 2:00 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
and look. my user ID # has changed, but not by much though.
strange.
i was 12549 earlier today.
go figure.
nevermind.
just wanted to see if my accuser had returned.
see if he could face me...... |
| chumpytroll
User ID: 1829
United States
8/14/2005 2:04 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
hey AC. Just because I´m paranoid, doesn´t mean ´they´ aren´t out to get me.
What makes you think he doesn´t have IP spoofing abilities? Maybe he does.
If he´s fake... go bust him. |
| Omega
User ID: 19868
United States
8/14/2005 2:06 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Well 195 if you indeed have lost family due to 911 you do have my sympathies.
And your post does have some merit.
I also do not believe he has the knowledge to proxy bounce his connection, therefore his identity is completely vlunerable.<<<<<<<
Now on this I will have to disagree. Whoever this cat is he is intelligent, IMHO if smart enough to have the balls to post this in a public forum it logically follows he has the tools to spoof, and I mean REALLY spoof his IP.
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5191
United States
8/14/2005 2:15 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Omega and chumpy,
IP spoofing and the real tools, I hear ya´s.
Here is the problem, it would do no good if this fellow is authentic. He has blown out too much information about his profile as I indicated above, to really conceal his actual identity.
What smart and educated/connected person would spoof himself that well and yet give out all that criteria.
Now taking the other track, you both know that the best lies are those that are embedded within a hundred truths. |
| S and S ain´t all that far fet
User ID: 468
United States
8/14/2005 2:24 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Tonight´s first hour of Coast to Coast with Ian Punnett sitting in for Art Bell has been nothing but the exact same topic that has been discussed for the last two weeks here and elsewhere on the net
Dirty nukes next week featured in the First Hour: Jeff Nyquist and Wade Queen will examine Al Qaeda´s connections and the "russian connection"
It was chilling
They gave a date of danger period beginning next Wednesday as they thought it might tie in with upcoming Russian/Chinese joint exercises in the far east.
Right now the 2md hour guest is talking about a suitcase nuke or dirty biological casually carried in and then released into the air conditioning system at the MGM Grand in Vegas.
Too many converging points from way too many different sectors/factions but all essentially performing a variation on a theme of disaster. |
| chumpytroll
User ID: 1829
United States
8/14/2005 2:25 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
ok well it seems to me that the names he gave out were not that of his close associates but those who are known in wider circles in the intelligence community. this does not ID him exactly. far from it. and if you play along with the cloak and dagger hero theme...
what if you were in possesion of real info of this variety? would you just stay hidden and not say anything. k. when you said something about it and your audience wanted verification would you tell what you thought you could get away with? would you take a small risk for yourself while possibly alerting others to dangers? i would. |
| Omega
User ID: 19868
United States
8/14/2005 2:28 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
Here is the problem, it would do no good if this fellow is authentic. He has blown out too much information about his profile as I indicated above, to really conceal his actual identity.
What smart and educated/connected person would spoof himself that well and yet give out all that criteria.
Now taking the other track, you both know that the best lies are those that are embedded within a hundred truths.<<<<<<<<
Well than by this well reasoned logic, I mostly concur. Not 100% sure he gave out enough info to pin him through Federal records though. After all, maybe some real spooks don´t have any records in your database. Maybe a lot of things, these types of operatives can be sneaky as hell. Certainly within the realm of possibility.
Near as I can tell none of these predictions made on GLP by AB, GG, now SS have come true. And yes, they always base the lie on part of the truth. This guy is almost certainly a fraud. If so, and he is not in the states, not so sure you have the moxie or jurisdiction to go after him.
As a side note, do you swallow hook line and sinker the governments statements on the sequence of events of 911? Just curious.
Peace
Omega
Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science.
_____________________________________
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner.
Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide.
Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
| Emperor Kenton
User ID: 2890
United States
8/14/2005 2:36 AM
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Now taking the other track, you both know that the best lies are those that are embedded within a hundred truths.
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Info or disinfo I think we can each make up our own minds, hopefully based on our own individual further investigation.
I´ve witnessed many posters coming in GLP citing the "THEY ARE SPREADING FEAR" pitch. Frankly I think this approach is lower-level debunkery/disinfo of its own kind, as low as bottom eschalon trolly character assassination, calling people stupid with no real debate and other dumb tactics.
I´ve always hoped that in the spook-slew we might one day meet an ex-Intel genuinely interested in preservation of rights, defending the Constitution...
...in other words a patriot. Gosh, Intel can´t all be Borg-- can it?
[link to www.cyberspaceorbit.com] |
| dude
User ID: 14773
United States
8/14/2005 3:39 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
195 -- well then in your profiling experience, why would a person of such intelligence waste all his time fabricating lunatic theories to get a bunch of half-baked kooks like us all riled up?
I never did understand that about German Guy. He had quite a breadth of understanding regarding history and politics.... so why he stayed up til the wee hours scaring whacko conspiracy theorists on some fringe message forum completely baffled me. Surely people like that must have far better things to do, or at least far more interesting ways of getting their jollies? What do people with that kind of experience get out of it? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20049
 New Zealand
8/14/2005 4:36 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
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| lurkylurkylurky
User ID: 1829
United States
8/14/2005 5:13 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
so ah what time is it in europe.
are we going to hear more from the mysterious Safe & Sound, or will this be his mysterious exit? |
| Anders - Not Gay
User ID: 7614
 United Kingdom
8/14/2005 5:18 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
1) He states he was CIA
2) In Europe at present and travelling
3) Timeline comments indicate he is between 45-60 years old
4) Has named persons in his life
5) Reference to a fair knowledge base of structure of governmental and global politics
6) Indicated he was an analyst
And we can go on and on from there...
Well, if the man is real, he has blown his identity and anyone with federal employee database records such as an observing agency to this thread can certainly index his information and narrow him down to a handful of people. Therefore, and he would well know this, what is the point of remaining anonymous.
He/she is obviously laying a false trail so as not to be identified. |
| Anders - Not Gay
User ID: 7614
United Kingdom
8/14/2005 5:21 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
And by the way, I feel obliged to respond to your (or perhaps your European friends´) slur about the election and re-election of George W. Bush:
1) By your own admission, recent Democrat administrations have also committed terrorist attacks on the American people. Indeed, the 9/11 attack *must* have been planned years in advance, during a Democrat administration. Hence, I see no major difference between the parties in this respect--particularly in the 2004 election, when *both* major parties put up Skull&Bones candidates!
There is NO difference between parties in ANY country at top levels. I wish people would wise up. Those at the very top have their own agenda and it does not follow pathetic party lines. |
| Anders - Not Gay
User ID: 7614
United Kingdom
8/14/2005 5:23 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
I am so outraged by the possibility of this man being a fraud I will indeed present this opportunity to certain contacts of my own to open an investigation.
Why stop with this thread you Nazi, you have enough material at GLP to open dozens of Joe McCarthy investigations. |
| Anders - Not Gay
User ID: 7614
United Kingdom
8/14/2005 5:25 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
I also do not believe he has the knowledge to proxy bounce his connection, therefore his identity is completely vlunerable.
LOL.
You should be prosecuted for threatening bodily harm to an individual over the internet. That is agsinst the law, but then you say you work in the law, so your sort always act above it.
What a tool. |
| Anders - Not Gay
User ID: 7614
United Kingdom
8/14/2005 5:27 AM | | Re: If you knew what I knew, you wouldn´t be doing what you´re doing right now | Quote |
I am curious if Trin has at least referenced IP´s to at least verify the initial posts were coming from outside of the USA. If this has already been done and I missed such posts, excuse me.
i.e. I haven´t read the thread. Typical of the blowhard. |
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