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HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12

 
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HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
In Isaiah we are introduced to Lucifer known as Daystar Son of dawn. In Hebrew is name is (Helel Ben-Shachar) . We will look at the meanings of Helel, also spelled as Heylel. Haylel. Meaning "Praise or Boast"

Helel is also hallel which means "Praise in Song. hallelujah is actually a two-word phrase. hallelu, is masculine form of the Hebrew verb hallal. followed by Jah. "hallelujah"also means a joyous praise in song, to boast in God. It could also refer to someone who acts madly or foolishly (wiki)


So we do have Helel, Hallel means Praise, Mad, Foolish. followed by Jah, which means, Hallelujah ! But lets get back to Lucifer....

Isaiah 14:12

When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! …

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning ! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! KJV.

How you are fallen from heaven, O Day star, son of Dawn! (Helel Ben-Shachar)

How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheoul to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?

Compiled by Frank W. Nelte

Halal" is used 165 times in the Old Testament and it is translated as follows in the KJV:

117 times = Praise

14 times = Glory

10 times = Boast

8 times = Mad

3 times = Shine(d)

3 times = Foolish

2 times = Fools

2 times = Commended

2 times = Rage

1 time = Celebrate

1 time = Give

1 time = Marriage

1 time = Renowned
"This should make clear that the translators felt they should attach over a dozen different meanings to this word "Halal." The meanings are both, good and bad; both, positive and negative"

Comment by Edward: Whether its the name of Proud, Mad, Lucifer, Or Praise and Celebrate Jah
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Comments? Many will say we are singing to JAH. and thats fine..
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JAH is the Shortened form of Jehovah, or YHVH. Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh.
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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
Does anyone know how to say, Helel? Lucifers name? You say it like you are going to say Hallelujah. Same thing.

I sing Hallelujah to God, but I still always think of Lucifer when I first start off. Yes, I still go to traditional church.

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ur fucking crazy.. spewing this nonsense like a mad man.
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ur fucking crazy.. spewing this nonsense like a mad man.
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whatever.. whats mad about language????
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Halel actually means :"bright sounding"


You stupid ignoramus.
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Halel actually means :"bright sounding"


You stupid ignoramus.
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And thats the beginning of Hallelujah.

Praise to Jah..
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Halel actually means :"bright sounding"



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Anyways, thats a good compliment to Lucifer !
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Note the demonic vulgarity of some mad Christians most likely

ur Fucking crazy

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Stupid ignoramus


Truth comes out !!!!!
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Well, I don't say HALLELUJAH that often, but when I do, I know what I mean, and The Lord does too. I don't think think that He's trying to catch me on a technicality. He wouldn't need a technicality to find me guilty and 100% deserving of the worst punishment. Instead, that's what He saved me from. Why would the one who gave His life to save me from the penalty of my sins, try to find some weird reason to condemn me again?

Thanks, though, for the lesson on the etymology of the word.
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woo hoo, someone liked my Article
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The 2 people that actually replied to your article (other than yourself lol) don't like it. I'd say it was a 5 star 'pity' rating

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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
Well, I don't say HALLELUJAH that often, but when I do, I know what I mean, and The Lord does too. I don't think think that He's trying to catch me on a technicality. He wouldn't need a technicality to find me guilty and 100% deserving of the worst punishment. Instead, that's what He saved me from. Why would the one who gave His life to save me from the penalty of my sins, try to find some weird reason to condemn me again?

Thanks, though, for the lesson on the etymology of the word.
 Quoting: Pythagoras 1289737


Hallelujah is beautiful ! Dont worry, Hell does not exist, and Hallelujah means PRAISE JAH.

GOD IS LOVE.
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woo hoo, someone liked my Article
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The 2 people that actually replied to your article (other than yourself lol) don't like it. I'd say it was a 5 star 'pity' rating

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Uh, thanks anyways.
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Note the demonic vulgarity of some mad Christians most likely

ur Fucking crazy

and

Stupid ignoramus


Truth comes out !!!!!
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM


How bout this, "you are a Seplucher full of dead men's bones" "hypocrite", brood of vipers" "How can you escape the condemnation of hell?" "You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God".

Pretty Christian of me to say these things are they not, seeing how Christ said them.
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Note the demonic vulgarity of some mad Christians most likely

ur Fucking crazy

and

Stupid ignoramus


Truth comes out !!!!!
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM


How bout this, "you are a Seplucher full of dead men's bones" "hypocrite", brood of vipers" "How can you escape the condemnation of hell?" "You err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God".

Pretty Christian of me to say these things are they not, seeing how Christ said them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1166818


Im not a hypocritical High Priest allowing Temple sellers to jack up the price of doves and availing myself of the Temple Prostitutes, Sorry, doesnt apply to me.

I took Theology and was once a Minister so I know what Im talking about.
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Well, doesn't surprise me one bit, everything upside down in Christianity, lol.
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you could also look at it as the joining of hallel or EL and Jah ...
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Actually, you are incorrect, OP.

lucifer = Strong's Concordance H1966 (it looks sort of like this "LLeH"*)

praise = Strong's Concordance H1984 (it looks like sort of like this "LLH"*)

*reading from right to left in the hebrew lettering, the opposite of English.

"Halal" is a root word (which means you cannot get any closer to the pure definition of the word) meaning to be clear, brilliant. To rejoice or boast (as in "to boast in the Most High").

The world "lucifer" in hebrew looks like the word "hill" or "hell" written backwards. Coincidence, I think not. You can look up both words at the link below.

HalleluYah is actually sort of three words in hebrew: halal (Strong's H1984) + u +Yahh (Strong's H3050) = halal u Yahh (the "u" is sort like "and" in english it glues words together and sounds lie "oo".

*check out the Strong's Concordance for your own research:
[link to www.blueletterbible.org]


And don't take the word of OP. Check stuff out for yourself.
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Funny watching a christard beating themselves up

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Well, I don't say HALLELUJAH that often, but when I do, I know what I mean, and The Lord does too. I don't think think that He's trying to catch me on a technicality. He wouldn't need a technicality to find me guilty and 100% deserving of the worst punishment. Instead, that's what He saved me from. Why would the one who gave His life to save me from the penalty of my sins, try to find some weird reason to condemn me again?

Thanks, though, for the lesson on the etymology of the word.
 Quoting: Pythagoras 1289737


Hallelujah is beautiful ! Dont worry, Hell does not exist, and Hallelujah means PRAISE JAH.

GOD IS LOVE.
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM


Thanks for the reassurance. I know you would know whether hell exists or not, because you're immortal and have traveled the universe and beyond. Actually, I think I'll believe God on this one, and go with, there is a hell.

But you can believe what you want about it if it helps you sleep at night.
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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
Here is the whole text of Isaiah 14,

let it speak for itself...



For ADONAI will have compassion on Ya'akov - he will once again choose Isra'el and resettle them in their own land, where foreigners will join them, attaching themselves to the house of Ya'akov.

Peoples will take and escort them to their homeland, and the house of Isra'el will possess them in the land of ADONAI as male and female slaves. They will take their captors captive and rule over their oppressors.

Then, when ADONAI gives you rest from your suffering and trouble and from the hard service imposed on you,
you will take up this taunt-song against the king of Bavel: "At last the oppressor is stilled, his arrogance is ended!

ADONAI has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of the rulers,
which furiously struck down peoples with unceasing blows, angrily beating down nations with relentless persecution.

The whole earth is at rest and quiet. They break into song.

The cypresses rejoice over you, with the cedars of the L'vanon - 'Now that you are laid low, no one comes to cut us down.'

"Sh'ol below is stirred up to meet you when you come. It awakens for you the ghosts of the dead who were leaders on earth; it makes all the kings of the nations arise from their thrones.

They all greet you with these words: 'Now you are as weak as we are, you have become like us!

Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol with the music of your lyres, under you a mattress of maggots, over you a blanket of worms.'

"How did you come to fall from the heavens, morning star, son of the dawn? How did you come to be cut to the ground, conqueror of nations?

You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens, I will raise my throne above God's stars. I will sit on the Mount of Assembly far away in the north.

I will rise past the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.'

"Instead you are brought down to Sh'ol, to the uttermost depths of the pit.

Those who see you will stare at you, reflecting on what has become of you: 'Is this the man who shook the earth, who made kingdoms tremble,
who made the world a desert, who destroyed its cities, who would not set his prisoners free?'

"All other kings of the nations, all of them, lie in glory, each in his tomb.

But you are discarded, unburied, like a loathed branch, clothed like the slain who were pierced by the sword, then fall to the stones inside a pit, like a corpse to be trampled underfoot.

You will not be joined with those kings in the grave, because you destroyed your own land, you have brought death to your own people. The descendants of evildoers will be utterly forgotten.

Get ready to slaughter his sons for the iniquity of their fathers; so they won't arise, take over the earth and cover the world with their cities."

"I will arise against them," says ADONAI-Tzva'ot. "I will cut off from Bavel name and remnant, offshoot and offspring," says ADONAI.

"I will make it a haunt for hedgehogs, it will become a swampy waste, I will sweep it with the broom of destruction," says ADONAI-Tzva'ot.

ADONAI-Tzva'ot has sworn, "Just as I thought it, it will occur; just as I planned it, so it will be.

I will break Ashur in my land, I will trample him down on my mountains. Then his yoke will fall off them, his burden be removed from their shoulders."

This is the program planned for all the earth, this is the hand stretched out over all the nations.

ADONAI-Tzva'ot has made his decision. Who is there that can stop him? He has stretched out his hand. Who can turn it back?

In the year that King Achaz died, this prophecy came:
Do not rejoice, P'leshet, any of you, that the rod which struck you is broken; for out of the snake's root will come a viper, and his offspring will be a flying fiery serpent.

While the firstborn of the poor graze and the needy lie down in safety, I will kill off your root with famine and slaughter the rest of you.

Howl, gate! Cry, city! Melt away, P'leshet, all of you! For a smoke is coming from the north, with not a straggler in its ranks.

And what is one to answer the messengers of the nation? That ADONAI founded Tziyon, and there the poor of his people will find refuge.
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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
You are 'off' with your interpretation of haylale:

H1966
hêylêl
hay-lale'
From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning star.

H1984
hâlal
haw-lal'
A primitive root; to be clear (originally of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence to make a show; to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively to celebrate; also to stultify
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I was pulled out in spirit by the spirit of mars he told me to come out of her ..Venus to is left saying do you see what I am up against now! there I stayed neutral to the right hand of mars I went sat down in mercury then I went between mars and Venus into Virgo there 3 eggs in my sigh going to the first one entering from the top i went in coming back out of this egg I sat down in mercury again to my right there was A spirit she said to me I have opened the 5th seal and what did want to do with the rest I told her she could have them she said I must fall and give my love to the queen in the south first landing on the moon then falling again to a dusty road in south Africa

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I am the light in the north who shines to her in the south...:)

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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
you could also look at it as the joining of hallel or EL and Jah ...
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Nice, true. El, for Elohim.
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Well, doesn't surprise me one bit, everything upside down in Christianity, lol.
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Much is misunderstood.
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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
Well, I don't say HALLELUJAH that often, but when I do, I know what I mean, and The Lord does too. I don't think think that He's trying to catch me on a technicality. He wouldn't need a technicality to find me guilty and 100% deserving of the worst punishment. Instead, that's what He saved me from. Why would the one who gave His life to save me from the penalty of my sins, try to find some weird reason to condemn me again?

Thanks, though, for the lesson on the etymology of the word.
 Quoting: Pythagoras 1289737


Hallelujah is beautiful ! Dont worry, Hell does not exist, and Hallelujah means PRAISE JAH.

GOD IS LOVE.
 Quoting: ORDO OF THE MILLENIUM


i personelly think that you have lost your mind....helel is satans name..very true but hallelujah has nothing to do with it..It seems to me you worship satan to come up with thes..no problem i happen to know the man/beast very well.....Ill let him know how you feel about his name..im sure he wil be pleased...also hell is so real its not funny..have you ever heard a demons soul in side of your body,,,there are screams of hell..besides if there was no hell there would be no helel...Ill pass the word when i see him again if I do
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Re: HALLELUJAH !!!!!! Are We Actually Singing to Lucifer???... HELEL ???? Isaiah 14:12
Actually, you are incorrect, OP.

lucifer = Strong's Concordance H1966 (it looks sort of like this "LLeH"*)

praise = Strong's Concordance H1984 (it looks like sort of like this "LLH"*)

*reading from right to left in the hebrew lettering, the opposite of English.

"Halal" is a root word (which means you cannot get any closer to the pure definition of the word) meaning to be clear, brilliant. To rejoice or boast (as in "to boast in the Most High").

The world "lucifer" in hebrew looks like the word "hill" or "hell" written backwards. Coincidence, I think not. You can look up both words at the link below.

HalleluYah is actually sort of three words in hebrew: halal (Strong's H1984) + u +Yahh (Strong's H3050) = halal u Yahh (the "u" is sort like "and" in english it glues words together and sounds lie "oo".

*check out the Strong's Concordance for your own research:
[link to www.blueletterbible.org]


And don't take the word of OP. Check stuff out for yourself.
 Quoting: polyglot 1285951


My Conclusion is that the Song or Praise is to the Tetragrammaton.

But the BEGINNING. repeat, BEGINNING of the PRAISE is the same as the name given to Lucifer. Heylel. Which would be Heh Yod. Lamed Lamed Hyll.

Its Obvious, as he was to be the Angel Praised and Bright and Holy, but he "Fell" so to speak.

We are actually all in agreement.