I used to be pro-choice. Now I am pro-life. I challenge anyone to convince me to switch back.

To be pro-choice does not mean we are happy about or would promote abortion as the only choice.

It's that we live in this world and realize and/or accept that:

1) It's legal.

2) It will never go away. Women will get abortions anyway.

3) You cannot legislate such a somber choice involving many potential issues and variables and ultimately affecting the free will choice over one's own body.

4) You cannot force someone to want, or to care for, or to afford to have a child.

5) The core of the pro-life movement is religious clones with a binary thought process which is unable to fathom the more subtle issues involved, much less appreciate the metaphysical dynamics of what is really happening.

Honestly, this is the scenario where I have always had a problem with the absolutist pro-life people. I can see an argument, that if a pregnancy is late-term, an abortion should not be allowed in cases of incest and rape, but for the other part of that triad of exceptions, the risk of the mother's life, it seems to me that an abortion should always be available as a medical option.

From a philosophical point of view, the question becomes does the law (government) have a responsibility to protect the mother and/or a responsibility to protect the child. It has responsibility to protect both, but if that is impossible, than because the government does not have a clear mandate, you have to say that government should not be involved, and it should be left to the choice of the mother.

The problem overall is one of perspective stemming from archaic religious misunderstandings and misconstructions carved in stone.

That we live but one lifetime. That we are born as an innocent and clean slate. That we are helpless and at the mercy of others. That we need protecting as we know nothing and cannot fend for ourselves.

These are all falsehoods. We are eternal, omnipotent souls. We are not our bodies. We do not ever die. We are always aware. Nothing "happens" to us without our soul involved.

Religious types look at an unborn body and see the hand of "god" and translate it as intent from on high - that god makes humans - that god determines who is born - and so, to disrupt this process is an affront to god - with eternal consequences. Again, all religious poppycock.


We choose when and where to be born/incarnate - and unto whom. We know ahead of time what the chances are that we will not be born as we are involved in the process long before it materializes. Bodies come and go but the soul always remains in one form or another. There is no right or wrong to it or eternal consequences that we have to answer for some day before some throne. We are free will creatures responsible for our own actions - and for their ramifications. No action is right or wrong. It is all consciousness-appropriate. And the results come back to us - they are tied to us across lifetimes through karmic ribbons - waiting to be balanced out where harm or imbalance may have occurred. It is an open process. There is no end and no brick wall for choices made.

we cannot legislate morality.

I don't really give a flyin' fuck what you think.

abortion is murder

Life is always better than death. an abortion begins the slow death of the mother's morality and mental health.

Go take a walk through any public school in Los Angeles. If that doesn't convince you to be fully pro-abortion, you are a very cruel person, in my opinion.

Ted is that you?


Ted Turner advocates Mandatory one child for everyone:

Thread: Ted Turner: "Mandatory ONE Child Policy for Everyone" except Ted and elite

The wave of the future:

Thread: WTF!! Judge Forces Hysterectomy on christian woman... because she's a christian!

Massive sterilizations in the near future

Something for tonight's pro choice crowd to chew on.

Hitler was one of those at one point..cute video but still

In many areas more blacks are aborted than born. If abortion were illegal more blacks would be born.

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Exactly