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Explosion at the Fukushima Nuclear power plant in Japan and possible meltdown coming.

 
Anonymous Coward
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03/12/2011 03:12 PM
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Doctors in Japan do not tell their patients that the patients have terminal cancer.

The doctors see no point in inflicting what they consider unproductive emotional pain on the dying.
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"Tokyo Journal; When Doctor Won't Tell Cancer Patient the Truth
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF,
Published: February 25, 1995



TOKYO, Feb. 24— When Emperor Hirohito began to vomit inexplicably and then lost weight and energy, his doctors never told him what just about everyone else in Japan eventually came to know: He was dying of cancer.

Hirohito may have been a virtual god in the early part of his reign, but he was also a patient -- and doctors in Japan mostly lie to cancer patients, even former divinities. "I don't regret that I didn't tell him about his cancer," Akira Takagi, the Emperor's chief doctor, said at the time of Hirohito's death in 1989. "

[link to query.nytimes.com]
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03/12/2011 03:13 PM
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All that matters now is if the concrete containment is cracked or significantly damaged as a result of the explosion or continued movement of the earth. The lack of cooling speaks for itself and time is not on their side.

I think from what I know, the Japanese governments assessment is over optimistic.
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D. I love that analytical mind, is all the US to be effected?
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click....

[link to img847.imageshack.us]
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Ah Ha! Now Americans can flock to Mexico as illegal immigrants.

The tables have turned, Pedro!
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Excellent explanation SHR.
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the reactor in Japan is 100 times more powerful than the one in chernobyl.....
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03/12/2011 03:15 PM

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I have good sources that indicate Japan's nuclear reactor container was breached. I can supply no links at this time.
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The Cesium was a good give away for that.
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03/12/2011 03:16 PM

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It's my guess that Japan is capable of handling this situation without letting the rest of the world be contaminated, or even let it get to that point for themselves.

I mean, they have robots, okay? ROBOTS.

I'm sure everyone who can help them will.

Japan is a big deal... no way they're going down, at least not without a super robot fight.
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03/12/2011 03:20 PM
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“In addition to the reactor cores, the storage pool for highly radioactive irradiated nuclear fuel is also at risk.

[link to www.accuracy.org]
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Great in depth study,Much clarification here.Thank You
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03/12/2011 03:21 PM

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OK the map is a hoax-thank god.
But I have to admit I almost spilled my coffee when I saw it.
Sorry for the post-didn't mean to rattle anyone as much as it rattled me.
Good job SHR btw.
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it´s not a hoax.....

the jetstream runs in that pattern....
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750 RADs of radiation is the hoax part sir. I saw that and my thinking cap froze.RAD is an old term and stands for Radiation Absorbed Dose-not really but thats how I remember it.
How can they post a map showing a RAD flow?Not REMs or Grays?
I know enough to know that I know nothing
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03/12/2011 03:22 PM
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Nice work, SHR. Yet, to get even more on track one does need to find out who manufactured these particular plants and what make and model they are to go even more elaborate and precise. Read somewhere (rumor or not) that this plant had been built by General Electric. I do not know if this is true or not.

Any ideas?
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Can confirm the G.E. association, though not sure in what capacity, I watched an NBC reporter reporting the story do a disclaimer that G.E. owned NBC and had some type of involvement in the nuclear power plant we're discussing. Own it, maybe, built it? Not sure.
Have a lovely day...
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All that matters now is if the concrete containment is cracked or significantly damaged as a result of the explosion or continued movement of the earth. The lack of cooling speaks for itself and time is not on their side.

I think from what I know, the Japanese governments assessment is over optimistic.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


D. I love that analytical mind, is all the US to be effected?
 Quoting: Mystic


click....

[link to img847.imageshack.us]
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Ah Ha! Now Americans can flock to Mexico as illegal immigrants.

The tables have turned, Pedro!
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You are welcome in my house.....

Americans have always been good to mexico....

there are a lot of good people in the U.S.
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03/12/2011 03:23 PM
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[link to squall.sfsu.edu]

Jet stream forecast Website.
Click "build animation.
You can also choose to slow it down using buttons.
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03/12/2011 03:24 PM
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the reactor in Japan is 100 times more powerful than the one in chernobyl.....
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how do you know that? Have you been to each and took readings? I mean c'mon
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All that matters now is if the concrete containment is cracked or significantly damaged as a result of the explosion or continued movement of the earth. The lack of cooling speaks for itself and time is not on their side.

I think from what I know, the Japanese governments assessment is over optimistic.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


D. I love that analytical mind, is all the US to be effected?
 Quoting: Mystic


click....

[link to img847.imageshack.us]
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bsflag
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"There is radiation leaking out, and since the possibility (of exposure) is high, it's quite scary," said 17-year-old Masanori Ono, queuing at a center in Koriyama city, in Fukushima prefecture.

People who lived within the evacuation zone or showed signs of radiation exposure were separated from others seeking shelter. ( They are not saying how many people are showing sings of Radioactivity)
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03/12/2011 03:28 PM
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OK the map is a hoax-thank god.
But I have to admit I almost spilled my coffee when I saw it.
Sorry for the post-didn't mean to rattle anyone as much as it rattled me.
Good job SHR btw.
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it´s not a hoax.....

the jetstream runs in that pattern....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1269924


750 RADs of radiation is the hoax part sir. I saw that and my thinking cap froze.RAD is an old term and stands for Radiation Absorbed Dose-not really but thats how I remember it.
How can they post a map showing a RAD flow?Not REMs or Grays?
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All radiation is bad....

there is no such thing as a safe level....

because it´s cummulative....

the plant in Japan is 100 times more pwoerful than the one in chernobyl....

at this point we may never know how much radiation will leak....

the authorities simply won´t tell the truth....





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03/12/2011 03:29 PM
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D. I love that analytical mind, is all the US to be effected?
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click....

[link to img847.imageshack.us]
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Ah Ha! Now Americans can flock to Mexico as illegal immigrants.

The tables have turned, Pedro!
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You are welcome in my house.....

Americans have always been good to mexico....

there are a lot of good people in the U.S.
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I'm on my way, Amigo!

Watch!

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If they really are using plutonium MOX fuel and not the usual uranium fuel ... THAN we are in real trouble.
Heisenberg may have been here !
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03/12/2011 03:31 PM
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the reactor in Japan is 100 times more powerful than the one in chernobyl.....
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how do you know that? Have you been to each and took readings? I mean c'mon
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stay in the game bro.....

watch the videos i´m posting....

don´t just post comments without participating.....

stay in the game....
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03/12/2011 03:32 PM
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I have good sources that indicate Japan's nuclear reactor container was breached. I can supply no links at this time.
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dribble

Whoa........ thanks for the update D ......
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+1

Hiya, Rags blobr
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are you guys always here?! really can't keep up with info and posts!!!
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in this video the reporter (an expert on the chernobyl incident) states how the Japan nuclear plant is 100 times more powerful than the one in chernobyl....
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03/12/2011 03:37 PM
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Nice summary SHR.

If it comes to the worst case, what radius could be contaminated ? 10 square miles ? 30 square miles ? 1000 square miles ?

Tokyo is about 200 miles away ......

Thanks
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I have good sources that indicate Japan's nuclear reactor container was breached. I can supply no links at this time.
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Well...that's about as bad news gets.
Assuming that is true, it'd be virtually impossible to cool the core down once it really get's going into melt, flooding it with sea water would either cause it to blow up due to the over pressure created by steam or hydrogen gas or both...it would also create a virtual flood of radioactive water and steam gushing out...the scary thing is?...that may actually be a better alternative than allowing it to burn up and meltdown completely...so it really looks like this may end very badly...and that's just reactor #1....there are more to go and if #1 goes, I doubt that anyone is going to be able to stay there on site to manage the others...
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Ah Ha! Now Americans can flock to Mexico as illegal immigrants.

The tables have turned, Pedro!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 856055


You are welcome in my house.....

Americans have always been good to mexico....

there are a lot of good people in the U.S.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1269924

I'm on my way, Amigo!

Watch!


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that´s a cool song....

thanks for the video!
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FEMA DID JUST ORDER ALOT OF BODY BAGS
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FEMA DID JUST ORDER ALOT OF BODY BAGS
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Yeah because they knew there would be a made up reactor problem?
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I have good sources that indicate Japan's nuclear reactor container was breached. I can supply no links at this time.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


Well...that's about as bad news gets.
Assuming that is true, it'd be virtually impossible to cool the core down once it really get's going into melt, flooding it with sea water would either cause it to blow up due to the over pressure created by steam or hydrogen gas or both...it would also create a virtual flood of radioactive water and steam gushing out...the scary thing is?...that may actually be a better alternative than allowing it to burn up and meltdown completely...so it really looks like this may end very badly...and that's just reactor #1....there are more to go and if #1 goes, I doubt that anyone is going to be able to stay there on site to manage the others...
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Time will tell, but I am concerned about US Naval personnel being sent in before we know what is on the ground. It may be irrelevant in the North where most of the need is.
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"There is radiation leaking out, and since the possibility (of exposure) is high, it's quite scary," said 17-year-old Masanori Ono, queuing at a center in Koriyama city, in Fukushima prefecture.

People who lived within the evacuation zone or showed signs of radiation exposure were separated from others seeking shelter. ( They are not saying how many people are showing sings of Radioactivity)

Def covering there own asses; and don't want to show people how bad it really is....
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Nice summary SHR.

If it comes to the worst case, what radius could be contaminated ? 10 square miles ? 30 square miles ? 1000 square miles ?

Tokyo is about 200 miles away ......

Thanks
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Depends on the level of contamination...and for how long..initialy? If it went into a real breached out meltdown? I would guess a 15 mile radius would be total evac and high level radioactivity would go with the wind for a very long distance....it could very reach tokoyo and far beyond with radioactive particles...they are light and travel well...rain comes?...down they come too...on top of "just" having them in the air....how much and for how long is it going to take to kill or cause many of the other adverse medical effects has been a matter of debate since pretty much the atomic age began...I personally prefer my upload of radiation to be at a minimum...
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