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Explosion at the Fukushima Nuclear power plant in Japan and possible meltdown coming.

 
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If they really are using plutonium MOX fuel and not the usual uranium fuel ... THAN we are in real trouble.
 Quoting: ThePaleOne


Fuskushima Daiichi reactor #3 def has MOX:

[link to www.japantoday.com]

However, from that aug 2010 article, it would appear #1 and #2 do not have MOX unless it was performed after #3 was done.
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CONFIRMED meltdown ! 11am CST - Japan Fukushima plant .. core melt! ALERT!


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Cayce: “… The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. …. then we may know it has begun …”. www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html
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I have good sources that indicate Japan's nuclear reactor container was breached. I can supply no links at this time.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


Well...that's about as bad news gets.
Assuming that is true, it'd be virtually impossible to cool the core down once it really get's going into melt, flooding it with sea water would either cause it to blow up due to the over pressure created by steam or hydrogen gas or both...it would also create a virtual flood of radioactive water and steam gushing out...the scary thing is?...that may actually be a better alternative than allowing it to burn up and meltdown completely...so it really looks like this may end very badly...and that's just reactor #1....there are more to go and if #1 goes, I doubt that anyone is going to be able to stay there on site to manage the others...
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Time will tell, but I am concerned about US Naval personnel being sent in before we know what is on the ground. It may be irrelevant in the North where most of the need is.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


This fuckin' shit is in China's backyard. They should be doing something about this...not us.

Hell, send that pipsqueak Kim Jong into ground zero.

kim jong All your radiation are belong to us
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Excellent and simply put assessment SHR. Great thread!
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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If they really are using plutonium MOX fuel and not the usual uranium fuel ... THAN we are in real trouble.
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explain please!
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According to this

[link to nuctrans.org]

Reactor #1 is the least powerful of the six reactors at Daiichi (439 mW). #2 (760 mW) is 1.8 times the output of #1, I assume that must mean larger fuel capacity?

#1 and #2 are both G.E./Ebasco, someone was asking about that...
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I have good sources that indicate Japan's nuclear reactor container was breached. I can supply no links at this time.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


Well...that's about as bad news gets.
Assuming that is true, it'd be virtually impossible to cool the core down once it really get's going into melt, flooding it with sea water would either cause it to blow up due to the over pressure created by steam or hydrogen gas or both...it would also create a virtual flood of radioactive water and steam gushing out...the scary thing is?...that may actually be a better alternative than allowing it to burn up and meltdown completely...so it really looks like this may end very badly...and that's just reactor #1....there are more to go and if #1 goes, I doubt that anyone is going to be able to stay there on site to manage the others...
 Quoting: SHR


Time will tell, but I am concerned about US Naval personnel being sent in before we know what is on the ground. It may be irrelevant in the North where most of the need is.
 Quoting: D. Bunker


I, too, am concerned... My best friends have a son that is stationed in Sasebo, whose ship was off the coast of Malaysia (I believe they said) who were called off liberty and sent to help. His children also live in Japan. I was able to communicate with his estranged Japanese wife via Facebook, and know that they were ok after the initial quake/tsunami, as they are in a mountain in the south of Japan. But this is definitely scary, as the ship is headed INTO the zone of the reactor!
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If they really are using plutonium MOX fuel and not the usual uranium fuel ... THAN we are in real trouble.
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explain please!
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uraniam is a bad animal, plutonium is worse, however as I posted it appears earlier reports of MOX in #1 are incorrect, SHR's original post mentioning uranium fuel would seem to be correct.
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Nice summary SHR.

If it comes to the worst case, what radius could be contaminated ? 10 square miles ? 30 square miles ? 1000 square miles ?

Tokyo is about 200 miles away ......

Thanks
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


Depends on the level of contamination...and for how long..initialy? If it went into a real breached out meltdown? I would guess a 15 mile radius would be total evac and high level radioactivity would go with the wind for a very long distance....it could very reach tokoyo and far beyond with radioactive particles...they are light and travel well...rain comes?...down they come too...on top of "just" having them in the air....how much and for how long is it going to take to kill or cause many of the other adverse medical effects has been a matter of debate since pretty much the atomic age began...I personally prefer my upload of radiation to be at a minimum...
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SHR their last line in pumping sea water directly into the chamber it has a seperate pumps and seperate power sources.. From what I understand that would show more white smoke/steam.. that has not happened yet from the pics on Kyodo news. But if you breach #1, there are 3 others that are really close.. and wow not good.
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IS OR IS NOT THE FALLOUT MAP ACCURATE???? If it is accurate it means death for many people. What does it mean? What is a RAD?
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Don't know if this has been mentioned. Just saw a scientist on CNN who stated the sea water cooling of the reactor is a desparate measure that will most likely not work. He also stated that there is a special kind of fuel that contains plutonium in these reactors and its even more dangerous than the usual fuel if released and that it should be banned worlwide
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WELCOME TO the world of MOX, oh yes thanks srh, well writtem , its up to the readers to connect the dots, follow their feelings based on research.
there is no single newssource thats not distorted, the same with opinions.
oh yeh uk guy, get along why dont cha? your fuzzing up the place with petty points of view.if you need established exüerts, their salery comes from people bigger than them, so even an expert will distort, so they dont take all the respospability as news or events unfold, everybodys trying to save the silver a the ship sinks.
use your mind to make decisons, not what just an expert or a researcher says.

oh yes for the post here you go its mox talk, and the hole gets deep fast
Thread: SECRET SHIPMENT OF PLUTONIUM FROM EUROPE TO JAPAN LED TO PLANT EXPLOSION
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Nice summary SHR.

 Quoting: ^àTOn^


 Quoting: SHR


SHR their last line in pumping sea water directly into the chamber it has a seperate pumps and seperate power sources.. From what I understand that would show more white smoke/steam.. that has not happened yet from the pics on Kyodo news. But if you breach #1, there are 3 others that are really close.. and wow not good.
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From My understanding they said they would prefer that to a melted core.
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IS OR IS NOT THE FALLOUT MAP ACCURATE???? If it is accurate it means death for many people. What does it mean? What is a RAD?
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RAD is "radiation absorbed dose" and that is why the map is claimed to be bogus... it is impossible to predict "absorbed dose" because if you are in an airtight structure you won't absorb anything! It doesn't mean anything without knowing what assumptions have been made to compute the numbers.

Can anyone read japanese? What are the units in japanese in the backgound of this image?

[link to i55.tinypic.com]
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IS OR IS NOT THE FALLOUT MAP ACCURATE???? If it is accurate it means death for many people. What does it mean? What is a RAD?
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[link to www.epa.gov]
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Decent primer on radioactivity:

[link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu]
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FOX NEWS ALERT ON TV JUST NOW

EMERGENCY AT SECOND REACTOR

NO FURTHER DETAILS

announced by japan i believe he said

yikes
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"Associated Press urgent bulletin, Japan's Nuclear Safety Agency reports an emergency at a second reactor."
-Fox news on the air
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IS OR IS NOT THE FALLOUT MAP ACCURATE???? If it is accurate it means death for many people. What does it mean? What is a RAD?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800


No...that color map was 100% BOGUS created by a GLP tard last night.....then it went viral on Twitter.

The TWITS loved it. koolaidsheep

Here is the 1986 Chernobyl fallout map....for perspective.

[link to i677.photobucket.com]

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See some of the connections between this and other Japan-related information by watching the vids in my thread.

Thread: Earthquake and volcano forecasts: relevant threads incl die-offs, natural disasters, space weather
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This was the most informative and realistic article of this catastrophy that I have read. Also the thread about the fuel pool being in danger of causing additional contamination is right on the money. I have been watching CNN and listening to the crap that they have been dancing around. I guess they feel that we can't handle the truth, and ignorance is bliss. Hopefully ,the other reactors will stay in tact.
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FOX NEWS ALERT ON TV JUST NOW

EMERGENCY AT SECOND REACTOR

NO FURTHER DETAILS

announced by japan i believe he said

yikes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1293190


Kyodo just reported that Reactor #6 just lost cooling function.

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
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FOX NEWS ALERT ON TV JUST NOW

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announced by japan i believe he said

yikes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1293190


Kyodo just reported that Reactor #6 just lost cooling function.

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1290271


hiding
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FOX NEWS ALERT ON TV JUST NOW

EMERGENCY AT SECOND REACTOR

NO FURTHER DETAILS

announced by japan i believe he said

yikes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1293190


Kyodo just reported that Reactor #6 just lost cooling function.

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1290271


iwhoa
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Kyodo just reported that Reactor #6 just lost cooling function.

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1290271


my goodness

we haven't mentioned kyoto once so far.

so when do we reach the point where the news can't just keep blabbering on about wisconsin and libya all day?
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wait a sec - kyodo is the NEWS org, not a nuclear plant?

here's the quote from Kyodo news:

"NEWS ADVISORY: 6th reactor at Fukushima nuke plant loses cooling functions "

I understood only three of the six reactors were online? what is this about "sixth reactor loses cooling"?
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wait a sec - kyodo is the NEWS org, not a nuclear plant?

here's the quote from Kyodo news:

"NEWS ADVISORY: 6th reactor at Fukushima nuke plant loses cooling functions "

I understood only three of the six reactors were online? what is this about "sixth reactor loses cooling"?
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LOL....just that. It lost it's cooling capability.
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LOL....just that. It lost it's cooling capability.
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No... I mean if only three reactors were online, how can a sixth have lost its cooling?
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LOL....just that. It lost it's cooling capability.
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No... I mean if only three reactors were online, how can a sixth have lost its cooling?
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OH oh.....even though they have been shut down, they still have to be
continually cooled.
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Meltdown may be under way at Fukushima nuclear reactor, official with Japan's nuclear safety agency tells CNN.

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