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SECRET SHIPMENT OF PLUTONIUM FROM EUROPE TO JAPAN LED TO PLANT EXPLOSION

 
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SECRET SHIPMENT OF NUCLEAR BOMB MATERIAL FROM
EUROPE TO JAPAN

OVER the next few weeks, two ships carrying a secret cargo of dangerous, nuclear weapons-usable plutonium fuel will leave ports in Britain and France and sail around the globe to Japan. On board will be fuel containing more plutonium than in the entire Indian and Pakistani nuclear weapons programmes.(1)

The two British flagged vessels, the Pacific Teal and the Pacific Pintail, will leave Barrow in Britain and Cherbourg in France carrying the first commercial shipment to Japan of mixed-oxide (MOX) reactor fuel, made from plutonium and uranium. An estimated 446 kilograms of plutonium is contained in the 40 nuclear fuel elements – enough fissile material to construct 60 nuclear bombs. T

The first plant to use MOX is scheduled to be Fukushima 1, plant. The date has been set to August 22nd, 2010.

ROUTE OF PLUTONIUM FUEL (MOX) SHIPMENT KEPT SECRET
THE plutonium (MOX) fuel shipment is being conducted for the Japanese electrical utilities Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) (Fukushima 1.2) .
 Quoting: LB 1217946



Now THAT is the biggest pile of FECES I have read in a long time.

Congrats!


:bsmetar:
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Burt, I'm trying to figure out just what side you are on.

Your posts amaze me quite often.

Can you please give some proof WHY that is a big pile of feces? Or did you just decide because you refute it, it is.

wtf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 997901


lol - just ignore the old geezer

he's trolling is all
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God Almighty.

If any of these reactors go super-critical with Plutonium cores, and the containment vessel is ruptured, releasing even several kilograms of PU could conceivably KILL A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET.

siren2 This is DOOM DEFCON 1 siren2
 Quoting: Comedian



can you explain why plutonium is worse than uranium? thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1150479


[link to www.francenuc.org]

Plutonium is more harmful than uranium 235 and uranium 238, in great part because of the differences in their half-lives and, consequently, in their specific activity.

The half-lives of the five isotopes of plutonium that concern us here are much shorter than those of uranium 235 and 238. Plutonium 239 with a half-life of 24,400 years, has a specific activity about 200,000 times greater than that of uranium 238 and about 30,000 times greater than that of uranium 235.

The alpha particles emitted in the disintegration of plutonium 239 are about 25% more energetic than those emitted by the disintegration of uranium 238 and of uranium 235. Therefore, plutonium 239 is about 250,000 times more harmful per gram than uranium 238 and about 39,000 times more harmful per gram from the radiological point of view than uranium 235 [see IPPNW 92 and NAS 95].

These statistics do not measure biological damage, which can only be calculated by taking into account the pathway and length of time in the body as well as the specific activity and energy. The dilution volume index, which takes into account these factors, shows that, by gram, plutonium of military quality represents a potential risk from inhalation 23,000 times greater and a risk from ingestion 130,000 times greater than that posed by highly enriched uranium [NAS 95].

Plutonium metal and its compounds can enter the body by ingestion. However, as is the case with uranium, the greatest part of the plutonium ingested is quickly eliminated. The most dangerous pathway is inhalation. As with uranium, the small particles are the most dangerous. The particles of plutonium can lodge in the lunges where they may cause cancer; they can be carried from the lungs to the lymphatic pulmonary ganglions; they can also pass by means of the blood to other parts of the body. The plutonium has a tendency to concentrate in the liver and in the bones as well as in the lungs. In the bones, the plutonium is deposited on non-calcified and non-cartilaginous areas [IPPNW 92].
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And so it begins....
 Quoting: Deejay


it seems old now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083


Interesting, I was thinking similarly.

Before real doom, this statement actually had some seriousness to it.

Now that real doom is here, it's so lacks any meaning.

It does put our reality into perspective a bit, though.

gah
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this thread might shed some light on what some of us are feeling:
Thread: ===WE NEED A GLP DOOM ALERT LEVEL===

as we transition from L3 popcorn DOOMGASM into L2 bunker time GTFO DOOM, we're finding this DOOM stuff really isn't so fun

it's like you start loosing your taste for it once it become real
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5a [link to www.youtube.com]
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peace
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Experts say the meltdown began when electricity supplies to the reactor were knocked out by the quake, which also
apparently took out the plant’s back-up generators and heavy-duty batteries.

Within hours, the reactor core temperature was so high it threatened to melt through the reactor and its concrete containment block.

Experts said the blast was caused by a massive build-up of hydrogen gas at the plant.

Professor Paddy Regan, of the University of Surrey, said: “It looks as if the coolant pumps had initially stopped working.

They shut down automatically when the reactor shuts down but there is a back-up system running off a diesel generator – it looks as though that’s the bit that failed.

“As a result there is no way of pumping heat out of the reactor, so it has to cool naturally.

“If the reactor gets too hot, in principle this means the fuel rods can melt.

“It’s not clear what has exploded. The big problem would be if the pressure vessel has exploded.

“If the pressure vessel, which is the thing that actually holds all the nuclear fuel, was to explode – that’s basically what happened at Chernobyl – you get an enormous release of radioactive material.”

Fukushima power plant is 100 times bigger and more powerful than Chernobyl, according to nuclear experts.
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I don't have to read the whole thread to know this is Sucker Fail.
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God Almighty.

If any of these reactors go super-critical with Plutonium cores, and the containment vessel is ruptured, releasing even several kilograms of PU could conceivably KILL A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET.

siren2 This is DOOM DEFCON 1 siren2
 Quoting: Comedian



can you explain why plutonium is worse than uranium? thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1150479


[link to www.francenuc.org]

Plutonium is more harmful than uranium 235 and uranium 238, in great part because of the differences in their half-lives and, consequently, in their specific activity.

The half-lives of the five isotopes of plutonium that concern us here are much shorter than those of uranium 235 and 238. Plutonium 239 with a half-life of 24,400 years, has a specific activity about 200,000 times greater than that of uranium 238 and about 30,000 times greater than that of uranium 235.

The alpha particles emitted in the disintegration of plutonium 239 are about 25% more energetic than those emitted by the disintegration of uranium 238 and of uranium 235. Therefore, plutonium 239 is about 250,000 times more harmful per gram than uranium 238 and about 39,000 times more harmful per gram from the radiological point of view than uranium 235 [see IPPNW 92 and NAS 95].

These statistics do not measure biological damage, which can only be calculated by taking into account the pathway and length of time in the body as well as the specific activity and energy. The dilution volume index, which takes into account these factors, shows that, by gram, plutonium of military quality represents a potential risk from inhalation 23,000 times greater and a risk from ingestion 130,000 times greater than that posed by highly enriched uranium [NAS 95].

Plutonium metal and its compounds can enter the body by ingestion. However, as is the case with uranium, the greatest part of the plutonium ingested is quickly eliminated. The most dangerous pathway is inhalation. As with uranium, the small particles are the most dangerous. The particles of plutonium can lodge in the lunges where they may cause cancer; they can be carried from the lungs to the lymphatic pulmonary ganglions; they can also pass by means of the blood to other parts of the body. The plutonium has a tendency to concentrate in the liver and in the bones as well as in the lungs. In the bones, the plutonium is deposited on non-calcified and non-cartilaginous areas [IPPNW 92].
 Quoting: oldboldpilot



wow, NOT good!!!! yikes...

I wonder who thought of this brilliant idea of mixing the two!
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wow, NOT good!!!! yikes...

I wonder who thought of this brilliant idea of mixing the two!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1150479


Why, our wonderful military-industrial complex of course.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"One attraction of MOX fuel is that it is a way of disposing of surplus weapons-grade plutonium, which otherwise would have to be disposed as nuclear waste, and would remain a nuclear proliferation risk."

Just like our fluoride in our water supplies... which was also a waste product of fertilizer production plants and they didn't know what to do with it... let's have everyone DRINK IT! BRILLIANT!!

Same with the plutonium MOX. BRILLIANT!
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God Almighty.

If any of these reactors go super-critical with Plutonium cores, and the containment vessel is ruptured, releasing even several kilograms of PU could conceivably KILL A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET.

siren2 This is DOOM DEFCON 1 siren2
 Quoting: Comedian


Just over 4 lbs. properly spread is enough to exterminate all life on earth.
 Quoting: Prisoner of Technology


damn

no wonder i was ranting and raving last night about some of these damn, dumb men creating crap like this all for moneymoneymoney

i was foaming at the mouth and not quite sure why i was so damn pissed.

now, i know why i was so damned pissed.
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"REPROCESSING

The Department of Energy’s (DOE) decision to mix 33 or more metric tons of plutonium from nuclear weapons with depleted uranium into a mixed-oxide fuel for use in commercial nuclear reactors is a direct reversal of decades-old U.S. policy aimed toward non-proliferation of nuclear weapons materials. A plutonium fuel program will increase the risks of nuclear terrorism and the international proliferation of plutonium. . . .

A decision on the part of the U.S. government to engage in a large scale civilian plutonium program would encourage the continuation of the messy and dangerous reprocessing programs in Europe and Japan. A plutonium fuel program would destroy any leverage the U.S. might have to influence non-weapons states from creating their own civilian reprocessing programs.Reprocessing is the chemical process of separating plutonium and uranium from other fission products in the irradiated fuel from a nuclear reactor. The separated materials can then be made into a mixed-oxide fuel (MOX) which is reused in a reactor. Since the 1970s, the U.S. has had a policy of not allowing reprocessing, and instead treating the nuclear fission products as the high-level atomic waste it is. This policy is based primarily on non-proliferation grounds, and is met to discourage countries from engaging in the separation of plutonium and uranium—since these substances—once separated—can also be used to build nuclear weapons."

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

the whole thing is suspicious. bold emphasis is mine.

so, do we have plants here in the U.S. using this MOX crap?
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if you were going to try and separate the plutonium and uranium in the MOX fuel (dangerous) so you could use it to make nuclear bombs, would you use a nice, new nuclear plant or an old one that you were going to mothball anyway?

was Japan up to no good?
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this thread should be pinned
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bump
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God Almighty.

If any of these reactors go super-critical with Plutonium cores, and the containment vessel is ruptured, releasing even several kilograms of PU could conceivably KILL A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET.

siren2 This is DOOM DEFCON 1 siren2
 Quoting: Comedian


Just over 4 lbs. properly spread is enough to exterminate all life on earth.
 Quoting: Prisoner of Technology


damn

no wonder i was ranting and raving last night about some of these damn, dumb men creating crap like this all for moneymoneymoney

i was foaming at the mouth and not quite sure why i was so damn pissed.

now, i know why i was so damned pissed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1293969


What you think I'm a potassium iodide salesman?
No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are.
Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points.
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Hey, consider immigrating in the Antarctic Circle as an option now. Or just a nice trip to New Zealand, South Africa or South Chile, just in case. One way ticket should be enough.

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