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If there are people, spirits, entities or whatever you choose to call them, who will tell us falsehoods, who will lead us against god and do all this bad stuff. I think the perfect place to start deceiving the people would be the bible. Have you ever thought that the bible is the tool that is used to deceive everyone?
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apparently you have been around liberal political correctness way to long.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


I see you also buy into the fake liberal/conservative Mind Trap.

This illusion arises from the same root deception as the religious shackles that enslave you.
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This is what they all say now.

It sounds so smart, like they know shit..

so you repeat them

because it makes you sound smart and like you know shit

to yourself.
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The Middle of Summer - Gemini

Revelation 11

The Two Witnesses

1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” 4 They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[a] 5 If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die. 6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.

7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.

9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe has passed; the third woe is coming soon.

The Seventh Trumpet

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God,

17 saying:
“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.

18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.


Explanation

Gemini 21 May – 21 June, the zodiac symbol for summer found at the base of the traditional zodiac chart, it sits next to Cancer the crab and between both of them lies the summer solstice. In Chapter 11 of the Revelation, the narrator doesn’t see anything but is asked to use something. “I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers.” The narrator is asked to use his hands and arms, the body part attributed to Gemini. The symbols for Gemini aptly represents the symbols describes as the two witnesses; Gemini is two male people standing side by side, the symbol for Gemini is two pillars which could easily represent two olive trees or two lampstands. No other character in the zodiac is as qualified for this position as Gemini, not only is Gemini symbolised by two humans, it’s planet Mercury is known, inter alia, as the planet of communication; “…and they will prophesy”

The symbolism of summer is described with “…fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies.” And “They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying.” And finally “…and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.” The heat of summer is analogues with fire; summer invariably shuts up the heavens, stopping the rain, resulting in drought and in some cases plague. Each of these descriptions is apt of a hot summer, a perfect description of a zodiac symbol that sits adjacent to the traditional summer solstice.

Only One Beast Hath Power Over Summer

“, And they will prophesy for 1,260 days” And “Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.” The 1,260 days need to be converted into the language of the zodiac, the zodiacal chart forms a perfect circle; 360 degrees. Accordingly 1,260 days divided by 360 degrees equals 3.5 revolutions or circles. If you turn 3.5 times from the end of Gemini, 21 June, the start of Cancer, you end up at the opposite side of the zodiacal chart; the winter solstice. The Beast from the Abyss is nothing more than the winter solstice, represented by the sea-faring goat Capricorn; summer is merely being overpowered by winter.

Gift giving at the Winter solstice is nothing new; Christmas is a mere evolution of numerous festivals held around or on the winter zenith. No festival is more significant for the purposes of the Revelation than the Roman festival Saturnalia; a celebration held in honour of the god Saturn also known as Kronos to the Greeks. The planet attributed to the zodiac symbol Capricorn is Saturn, it is no surprise that Revelation 11’s description of a solstice celebration with gift giving is attributed to something caused by the Beast of the Abyss, Capricorn or the Winter solstice.

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the "fire that comes from their mouths" is referring to the "cut you to the bone" power and the laser hot sting of pure unadulterated unvarnished TRUTH.

before anyone goes off half cocked on the overly literal here I just thot I might mention that.
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Sometimes things are so obvious and boring, it stops people from seeing what's actually right in front of them.
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apparently you have been around liberal political correctness way to long.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


I see you also buy into the fake liberal/conservative Mind Trap.

This illusion arises from the same root deception as the religious shackles that enslave you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274317


This is what they all say now.

It sounds so smart, like they know shit..

so you repeat them

because it makes you sound smart and like you know shit

to yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286748



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Thread: The Two Witnesses of Revelation and 9-11 + GPS


quote -The TWO WITNESSES were the TWIN TOWERS of the World Trade Center. The towers were leased to Larry Silverstein on July 24, 2001, effectively taking them out of Gentiles hands. The two olive trees and the two lampstands Is Israel's Seal. The references 42 months and 1260 days translates to 42 x 42(1260/30. GPS coordinates are (40° 42′ 42″ N, 74° 0′ 45″ W). Google "The Five Dancing Israelis" to find out what the merriment was about. quote
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YOU have been given/granted power and authority over all of your enemies.

ALL of your enemies.

that includes satan/antichrist, his minions, all supernatural powers and principalities, demons and aliens... and so on and so on ad infinitum.

You however have to know and understand and have faith that this be so in effort to wield that power you have been granted to it's full extent.

You must wield it with unbiased knowing that it be so, unwilling to allow another to convince you otherwise, and you must use it with AUTHORITY when you turn to do so.

Get Salty! God likes his people to use their SALT when it is necessary to make a point. The bland and flavorless individual will be unable to go that extra mile as they will be focused on appearing to be "pleasant" and "kind" rather than girding themselves with the power vested in them and stepping up and out without fear...

as evidenced by little David when he went up against Goliath while the multitudes and armies of so called warriors cowered on a hill nearby, already defeated at the gate by the awesome size of this nemesis alone.
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damned

A Message To Secret Societies...

Thread: 322 - A Message To Secret Societies (Freemasons,Rosicrucians,Skull and Bones)...Ignore at your own PERIL!




Who-WHO will watch The Watchmen?

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apparently you have been around liberal political correctness way to long.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


I see you also buy into the fake liberal/conservative Mind Trap.

This illusion arises from the same root deception as the religious shackles that enslave you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274317


if, i had been born, raised or was currently going to a church. your arguement might have weight. but i am none of those things.

no one lead me to the Lord. except maybe God himself.

i do however love talking to the bretheren, its good for keeping me sharp/in practice in Gods word. and helps give me ideas what and where i am lacking, so i know where i should study more and strengthen myself.

the armour is good for many things, non believers and believers alike.

a great deception is about to occur, gird yourselves well.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Anonymous Coward 1274317,

Who do YOU say that Jesus Christ is?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286748

Assuming he existed at all, I believe he was a wise man like Lao Tzu or Sidhartha. A man who tried to show the People the path to enlightenment.

But his message was hijacked by the evil church of Rome, and twisted intoa control mechanism by means of dreadful lies about Guilt and Sin and Hell.

Jesus would weep to see the evil wrought in his name!

And so we labor to free those enslaved by the Big Deception.
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If there are people, spirits, entities or whatever you choose to call them, who will tell us falsehoods, who will lead us against god and do all this bad stuff. I think the perfect place to start deceiving the people would be the bible. Have you ever thought that the bible is the tool that is used to deceive everyone?
 Quoting: Dee Lisch 950299


Exactly!

The Mark of the Beast? Why, that's adhering to the evil Christian religion! Talk about a doctrine of Devils!

Free your minds!!!
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Anonymous Coward 1274317,

Who do YOU say that Jesus Christ is?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286748

Assuming he existed at all, I believe he was a wise man like Lao Tzu or Sidhartha. A man who tried to show the People the path to enlightenment.

But his message was hijacked by the evil church of Rome, and twisted intoa control mechanism by means of dreadful lies about Guilt and Sin and Hell.

Jesus would weep to see the evil wrought in his name!

And so we labor to free those enslaved by the Big Deception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274317


IMHO

He was a Jewish Priest with some radical ideas, he got disgraced, the Jews demanded his crucifixion, the Romans crucified him.

His group went on to have some influence with important people in Rome and the rest is history...
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Who is 'we', how are you laboring to free us all, what makes you think you're capable, and who told you that you even knew what you were talking about? They lied, you're nobody, you have no knowledge and no power, and you get dumber with every line of coke.
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apparently you have been around liberal political correctness way to long.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


I see you also buy into the fake liberal/conservative Mind Trap.

This illusion arises from the same root deception as the religious shackles that enslave you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274317


This is what they all say now.

It sounds so smart, like they know shit..

so you repeat them

because it makes you sound smart and like you know shit

to yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286748


Wow.

Projection so thick you could cut it with a Spork.

Free your mind, Friend. No one is looking down on you but you.
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it does me good to remember that an entire generation of Israelites were lost simply due to the fact that they did not trust the Father or His word enough to cross over into the promised land, this after he had led them out of captivity in Egypt and both sheltered and fed them for 40 days and nights in the wilderness... fed them quite well I might add. He even had a cloud float over them by day to shield them from the hot sun and a pillar of light to guide them by night. Yet they STILL did not trust upon Him or believe or listen to Him. boggles my mind when I think of it.

yet when it came time that they had finally arrived and all they had to do was cross over into said promised land they balked! They flat out refused to go forward another step. In fact many of them voted to go back into captivity in Egypt after 400 years of same!!!

it was fear, lack of faith, and outright cowardice that caused an entire generation to be lost/wasted.

if nothing else this should hold a valuable lesson to those who followed.

why did they balk? they had heard rumors that there were still giants (nephilim hybrids) in the promised land and they refused to believe God when he assured them that He had cleared the land from same for the most part.

Goliath was a straggler who served a greater purpose in this regard.

If God flooded the entire earth to rid us of the hybrids he can take care of a few stragglers with ease. the reason for Noahs flood was because Noah had the ONLY Adamic family left on the face of the earth at that time whose bloodline hadn't been tainted by the fallen angels and hybrids thereof.

God needed a pure Adamic bloodline for that was the lineage thru which Christ was destined to come. When God wants something accomplished He will move Heaven and Earth to accomplish it.

Hence in walks young David... the only one in the bunch that trusted His Fathers word and dared to face the music to the benefit of all.
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lets consider this, you poor ignorant thing, you know you need Jesus to get into heaven,
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I don't believe any such foolishness.

What do you think the word 'atheist' means, exactly? A person who does not believe in thirst? What?

Your Jebus myth is no more compelling than the myths about Osiris, who ALSO was born of a virgin, and ALSO died and was resurrected on the third day.

All 3 or 4 thousand years before YOUR myth arose!

But I don't believe in Osiris or Jesus.

Why should I?
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well, unlike anyother supposed deity, Jesus did exist. and i can prove you believe it as well. its why you and i have been sparring this whole time. if you trully didnt believe, you wouldnt have given this discussion a chance. your searching.......
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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The 'mark of the beast' was allegiance to Deutsches Reich. The Christian religion is not evil, you are, and stupid too.
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What. I'm busy
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no one lead me to the Lord. except maybe God himself.

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Yep....


Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him... (John6)





:)
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what would they have to say to make you believe that GOD did indeed send them?

remember there will be four people to choose from.

the two witnesses...

the false prophet and the anti christ.

how will you know who to believe???

forever is on the line!!!
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obama and justin bieber???
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Who is 'we', how are you laboring to free us all, what makes you think you're capable, and who told you that you even knew what you were talking about? They lied, you're nobody, you have no knowledge and no power, and you get dumber with every line of coke.
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Peace to you, brotherhf

There's nothing to be afraid of.

Free your mind!
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First time I ever said this, but why is this pinned?
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Anonymous Coward 1274317,

Who do YOU say that Jesus Christ is?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286748

Assuming he existed at all, I believe he was a wise man like Lao Tzu or Sidhartha. A man who tried to show the People the path to enlightenment.

But his message was hijacked by the evil church of Rome, and twisted intoa control mechanism by means of dreadful lies about Guilt and Sin and Hell.

Jesus would weep to see the evil wrought in his name!

And so we labor to free those enslaved by the Big Deception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274317


IMHO

He was a Jewish Priest with some radical ideas, he got disgraced, the Jews demanded his crucifixion, the Romans crucified him.

His group went on to have some influence with important people in Rome and the rest is history...
 Quoting: Least Servant


Jesus is Lord
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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it does me good to remember that an entire generation of Israelites were lost simply due to the fact that they did not trust the Father or His word enough to cross over into the promised land, this after he had led them out of captivity in Egypt and both sheltered and fed them for 40 days and nights in the wilderness... fed them quite well I might add. He even had a cloud float over them by day to shield them from the hot sun and a pillar of light to guide them by night. Yet they STILL did not trust upon Him or believe or listen to Him. boggles my mind when I think of it.

yet when it came time that they had finally arrived and all they had to do was cross over into said promised land they balked! They flat out refused to go forward another step. In fact many of them voted to go back into captivity in Egypt after 400 years of same!!!

it was fear, lack of faith, and outright cowardice that caused an entire generation to be lost/wasted.

if nothing else this should hold a valuable lesson to those who followed.

why did they balk? they had heard rumors that there were still giants (nephilim hybrids) in the promised land and they refused to believe God when he assured them that He had cleared the land from same for the most part.

Goliath was a straggler who served a greater purpose in this regard.

If God flooded the entire earth to rid us of the hybrids he can take care of a few stragglers with ease. the reason for Noahs flood was because Noah had the ONLY Adamic family left on the face of the earth at that time whose bloodline hadn't been tainted by the fallen angels and hybrids thereof.

God needed a pure Adamic bloodline for that was the lineage thru which Christ was destined to come. When God wants something accomplished He will move Heaven and Earth to accomplish it.

Hence in walks young David... the only one in the bunch that trusted His Fathers word and dared to face the music to the benefit of all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1296378


bump
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Screw you loser, I'm not your brother and I'm not afraid. My mind is already free, although yours has taken a vacation from reality. That's not the kind of freedom that can help you.
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Did you know the money-market system is based off the neo-babylonian chaldean religion and that by following the policies and processes associated with money and it's uses thereof you are actually subconsciously rendering worship to incorporal entities (corporations) who work for the great arch-deities which are representations of the forces which control industries within the marketplace...?
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qft
 Quoting: Least Servant


WHY HAVE NATIONS MADE UNTO THEMSELVES GRAVEN IMAGES ONN PAPER AS PAYMENT FROM THE LABOURS OF THE PEOPLE?

AT LEAST MUSLIMS PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY TO GOD!

IF THE ANTI CHRIST IS HERE NOW..NO ONE LIVING WILL ESCAPE THE MARK OF THE BEAST...NO ONE.
 Quoting: yazirin


pray to God? i hope you know, their iman sounds like our anti-christ, remember that.
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The anti-christ as a singular physical man is christian fable. he is never mentioned in the Bible as such. When people say "antichrist" they are typically referring to 'the beast from the sea with seven heads and 10 horns', this beast is a kingdom--not a man. There is the 'man of sin' however it seems that based on the logic contained in the Bible the 'man of sin' is a character that is revealed to you after the spiritual second-birth experience. The man of sin is a type of man, yet part of a larger entity composed of every human who is not conscience-driven. When the prophets say things like 'when the man of sin is revealed to you' it's a variable, the man of sin existed at the time of the prophecy and exists today, he is revealed in different ways to everyone.

With that being said it will be interesting to see the various people who are tagged with the 'Antichrist' title in the years to come. That will only serve to prove to the people how illogical christians can be regarding false prophecy after false prophecy, yet even in their ignorance many of the deceived christians will still meet all the requisites for salvation.

In general it's the powers that are mainly judged and destroyed... for instance 'the power which exists in the human mental capacity to be confused and/or deceived' will be utterly destroyed by some mechanism or another... The force which makes it possible for a man to lie to another man will be destroyed... ect, etc...
Total Protonic Reversal...
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well, unlike anyother supposed deity, Jesus did exist. and i can prove you believe it as well. its why you and i have been sparring this whole time. if you trully didnt believe, you wouldnt have given this discussion a chance. your searching.......
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


I am not disputing the existence of Jesus.

But he was no god, nor do I believe he ever claimed to be. Those are just lies the priests cooked up to cow and control an ignorant and illiterate mass of serfs.

By your logic, the fact that you are participating in this conversation means that you are searching as well!

I have hope that your mind can be freed, brother! Let go of your fear and listen to that still, small voice clamoring inside you. You know you don't believe any of it. You know it brings you no real comfort or peace.You know that Jesus is no god. You know how silly you feel when you pray.

Just acknowledge it to yourself--consciously--and be free.

hf
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The 'mark of the beast' was allegiance to Deutsches Reich. The Christian religion is not evil, you are, and stupid too.
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If you say sohf

Free your mind. Let go of that anger inside you; it cannot harm me, but it will eat you alive if you let it.
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Re: watch for the two witnesses. soon to be on the world stage!!!!!
lets consider this, you poor ignorant thing, you know you need Jesus to get into heaven, but you dont believe and frankly dont care, so you gamble with eternal judgement of hellfire and whether or not it exists and the hope that God is forgiving enough to let you in despite what has been written to the contrary. yeah i agree with you
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


But, I *do* believe. I'm In Christ. I'm not "gambling" with anything. I'm primarily interested in refuting the highly popular Chruch-sanctioned slander against the Father :)
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The anti-christ as a singular physical man is christian fable. he is never mentioned in the Bible as such. When people say "antichrist" they are typically referring to 'the beast from the sea with seven heads and 10 horns', this beast is a kingdom--not a man. There is the 'man of sin' however it seems that based on the logic contained in the Bible the 'man of sin' is a character that is revealed to you after the spiritual second-birth experience. The man of sin is a type of man, yet part of a larger entity composed of every human who is not conscience-driven. When the prophets say things like 'when the man of sin is revealed to you' it's a variable, the man of sin existed at the time of the prophecy and exists today, he is revealed in different ways to everyone.

With that being said it will be interesting to see the various people who are tagged with the 'Antichrist' title in the years to come. That will only serve to prove to the people how illogical christians can be regarding false prophecy after false prophecy, yet even in their ignorance many of the deceived christians will still meet all the requisites for salvation.

In general it's the powers that are mainly judged and destroyed... for instance 'the power which exists in the human mental capacity to be confused and/or deceived' will be utterly destroyed by some mechanism or another... The force which makes it possible for a man to lie to another man will be destroyed... ect, etc...
 Quoting: GUANO


Ok, I'm just going to come right out with it and ask you.

What is Salvation?

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ok guys got a little ways yet to go. it will be one heck of a ride.
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!"
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Re: watch for the two witnesses. soon to be on the world stage!!!!!
1274317 take your homosexual agenda somewhere else.

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