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Yes, Reincarnation is how it works on Earth!!

 
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Reincarnation is silly B-S.

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So are Swedes.....never believed they were real....ever...
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Hebrews 9:27 And just as people are appointed to die once, and then to face judgment

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the time has come when they will not accept sound doctrine and instead turn their itching ears to fables.

gnostic gospels like Thomas are not part of the canon

the other scriptures cited that are in the canon are twisted -- eisegeted to fit the preexisting false notions

why not just read what the Bible says instead of making stuff up, and twisting it to fit our own whack ideas

the Bible MUST be interpreted using induction -- it is a legal document. we cannot safely deduce anything from what it says

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From The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi
Edited by David Godman

Question:Is reincarnation true?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Reincarnation exists only so long as there is ignorance. There is really no reincarnation at all, either now or before. Nor will there be any hereafter. This is the truth.

[Note: Comments by David Godman: Most religions have constructed elaborate theories which purport to explain what happens to the individual soul after the death of the body. Some claim that the soul goes to heaven or hell while others claim that it is reincarnated in a new body.

Sri Ramana Maharshi taught that all such theories are based on the false assumption that the individual self or soul is real; once this illusion is seen through, the whole superstructure of after-life theories collapses. From the standpoint of the Self, there is no birth or death, no heaven or hell, and no reincarnation.

As a concession to those who were unable to assimilate the implications of this truth, Sri Ramana would sometimes admit that reincarnation existed. In replying to such people he would say that if one imagined that the individual self was real, then that imaginary self would persist after death and that eventually it would identify with a new body and a new life. The whole process, he said, is sustained by the tendency of the mind to identify itself with a body. Once the limiting illusion of mind is transcended, identification with the body ceases, and all theories about death and reincarnation are found to be inapplicable.
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I very seriously doubt all these first hand accounts on the matter, (unlike the christians texts) have been fabricated!!

Reincarnation Stories
[link to www.beyondreligion.com]

Near Death Experience Research Foundation
[link to www.nderf.org]

Gilgul, Gilgulim and Reincarnation
[link to emol.org]

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Believe what you like, all the stories you tell yourself are just that, stories. If you were anywhere near finding the truth, you would already know this.
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In 367 AD, Athanasius (bishop) decided what would comprise the final canon of New Testament books.

I doubt he was any more holy than any other teachers, popes, bishops and whatnot before or after but he was given or had the authority to decide which books would be included in the New Testament and which were banned.

Who knows what his agenda was, but IMO he left out some great works that have sense come to light.

The gospel of Thomas is a good read and consists of quotes from Jesus.

Its obvious why the book of Mary was left out.


Hebrews 9:27 And just as people are appointed to die once, and then to face judgment

Try again
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the time has come when they will not accept sound doctrine and instead turn their itching ears to fables.

gnostic gospels like Thomas are not part of the canon

the other scriptures cited that are in the canon are twisted -- eisegeted to fit the preexisting false notions

why not just read what the Bible says instead of making stuff up, and twisting it to fit our own whack ideas

the Bible MUST be interpreted using induction -- it is a legal document. we cannot safely deduce anything from what it says

love rb
 Quoting: rb 896008


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From The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi
Edited by David Godman

Question:Is reincarnation true?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Reincarnation exists only so long as there is ignorance. There is really no reincarnation at all, either now or before. Nor will there be any hereafter. This is the truth.

[Note: Comments by David Godman: Most religions have constructed elaborate theories which purport to explain what happens to the individual soul after the death of the body. Some claim that the soul goes to heaven or hell while others claim that it is reincarnated in a new body.

Sri Ramana Maharshi taught that all such theories are based on the false assumption that the individual self or soul is real; once this illusion is seen through, the whole superstructure of after-life theories collapses. From the standpoint of the Self, there is no birth or death, no heaven or hell, and no reincarnation.

As a concession to those who were unable to assimilate the implications of this truth, Sri Ramana would sometimes admit that reincarnation existed. In replying to such people he would say that if one imagined that the individual self was real, then that imaginary self would persist after death and that eventually it would identify with a new body and a new life. The whole process, he said, is sustained by the tendency of the mind to identify itself with a body. Once the limiting illusion of mind is transcended, identification with the body ceases, and all theories about death and reincarnation are found to be inapplicable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288128


I very seriously doubt all these first hand accounts on the matter, (unlike the christians texts) have been fabricated!!

Reincarnation Stories
[link to www.beyondreligion.com]

Near Death Experience Research Foundation
[link to www.nderf.org]

Gilgul, Gilgulim and Reincarnation
[link to emol.org]

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Believe what you like, all the stories you tell yourself are just that, stories. If you were anywhere near finding the truth, you would already know this.
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One thinking he has all the truth is a sure sign he doesn't!!

One should never quit looking!!


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How can you ever find the truth of everything if everything is infinite.
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I have come to understand that our essence/soul is eternal - it always has been and always will be, never created nor destroyed but forever changing!

In other words, I am on an eternal journey, as such, I have experienced many lifetimes already on this Earth which are only a moment in the infinite number of lifetimes elsewhere both in the physical realms of the Multiverse as well as the spiritual realms beyond.
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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How can you ever find the truth of everything if everything is infinite.
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It is a journey of infinite discovery.
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Reincarnation is chaotic like the universe and has nothing to do with morality.

Only the "One" Exists.

My hope is that either I turn to nothing

Life is pointless. Rest in peace.
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maybe YOUR life is pointless..
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If life is pointless why are we here ??
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Reincarnation is chaotic like the universe and has nothing to do with morality.

Only the "One" Exists.

My hope is that either I turn to nothing

Life is pointless. Rest in peace.
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Haven't you ever wondered about the statement - "I AM"? There is no point to it, it is a simple statement of eternal and infinite existence.
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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maybe YOUR life is pointless..
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Does a fly have a "purpose".

Then that purpose is the same as yours.

Yours isn't any greater

And you will be forgotten and everything you did with your life will be destroyed.

"Because we are here" gives us as much purpose as a rock.

Rest in Peace
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Which is why humans are getting so much smarter, healthier and compassionate, right?

Okie dokie there Sparky.
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Reincarnation is chaotic like the universe and has nothing to do with morality.

Only the "One" Exists.

My hope is that either I turn to nothing

Life is pointless. Rest in peace.
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The cruelest joke in the universe would be to have laughed and loved and then nothing!!

Life is not pointless, but I suppose we can find ourselves in that position from time to time!!

Our lives on Earth if we allow it to be hijacked by TPTB, as most have, may seem pointless, but you can change it!!

Imagination has no limits, get up and take your life back!!


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Which is why humans are getting so much smarter, healthier and compassionate, right?

Okie dokie there Sparky.
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More compassionate? lol

Thanks for sharing your opinions.
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The cruelest joke in the universe would be to have laughed and loved and then nothing!!

Life is not pointless, but I suppose we can find ourselves in that position from time to time!!

Our lives on Earth if we allow it to be hijacked by TPTB, as most have, but you can change it!!

Imagination has no limits, get up and take your life back!!


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 Quoting: HardTruth


I agree strongly with this, unfortunately TPTB have so dulled the senses of most that even though they may be alive, they have lost all sense of living!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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The Kabbalah posits an interesting theory on reincarnation... it is called 'ibbur,'- this is a situation in which a living person/body 'gives birth to' a very highly spiritual soul. It is not 'milk,' as far as these things go, but it holds certain very interesting possibilities. It might merit some further attention...
"Come, my friend! let us go forth into the field; let us spend the night in the villages;

Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine have blossomed, whether the grapes have opened (to the view), whether the pomegranates have budded: there will I give my caresses unto thee.

The mandrakes give forth (their) smell, and at our doors are all manner of precious fruits, new and also old: O my friend! these have I laid up for thee. --Song of Songs
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Reincarnation is chaotic like the universe and has nothing to do with morality.

Only the "One" Exists.

My hope is that either I turn to nothing

Life is pointless. Rest in peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1146487


The cruelest joke in the universe would be to have laughed and loved and then nothing!!

Life is not pointless, but I suppose we can find ourselves in that position from time to time!!

Our lives on Earth if we allow it to be hijacked by TPTB, as most have, but you can change it!!

Imagination has no limits, get up and take your life back!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


The cruel joke isnt so bad.

The nothing isnt even a joke to some.

Has nothing to do with my life.

In the end there is nothing.

Everything will be destroyed. Its all pointless.
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Sorry but you sound depressed.
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Sorry but you sound depressed.
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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief."

Ecclesiastes 1:18
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Sorry but you sound depressed.
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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief."

Ecclesiastes 1:18
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Well if you have faith in what you believe is true I am sure you will fade into nothingness before you know it.

Sounds boring really.
I think I will hang around for a while.

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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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How else are you going to grow your MIND, which IS your Soul?????????? It's part of nature period, when a planet is seeded with life. The purpose of seeding a planet with life, is to GROW NEW MIND, and reincarnation occurs under the direction of "angels" who engage in assisting the growing mind on a planet. I would advice being NICE to your pets, because one day, they get to try on this kind of form, once they begin to solve small problems on their own.
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Sorry but you sound depressed.
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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief."

Ecclesiastes 1:18
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1146487


LOL,

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.... (Hosea 4: 6)

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the bible supports reincarnation. christians say it doesn't mean that, but other portions must be taken literally. and ye have to have guidance by their holy spirit to understand it. upshot of it is, if ye disagree with their interpretation then ye obviously are not guided by the holy spirit. convenient that.

and when folks come across someone with memories that validate the entire thing they are denigrated. faulty memories, imagination, wishful thinking, etc.

here's a concept for ye... time only exists when ye are in the body. and that changes the whole game.
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meh, reincarnation is sooo arrogant.
1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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I suppose one short life span to get it right, and then an eternal torment if not, this makes more sense?

I don't think so!!



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Reincarnation beats hellfire, but getting it perfect beats reincarnation.
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If we taught the truth on this planet, about reincarnation, hopefully people would effort to actually grow as much as possible in any life, which would greatly shorten the period to obtain enough wisdom to leave the cycles on low life planets like this one. There are 10 billion galactic thugs and fallen angels that were placed on this planet to GROW UP.

YOu do not live in better places until you EARN IT. Ponder that. Heaven is not understood. While there are invisible realms around this planet, "heaven" is the place of the real galactic life. I suggest reading the Urantia Book about those worlds upon which man can graduate too. Many of the ones here were the fallen beings who are learning the hard way why the support of Lucifer was not wise.

Those who prefer dense physical experiences like making money at the detriment of others, and have sexual dominance of others and all the rest of that list, will have their eternal life with others of the same kind on lower dimensional planets, and that is simply the way it is. it's a scientific fact because those that wish to be "low life" have bodies and souls that cannot survive in the higher places.
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the bible supports reincarnation. christians say it doesn't mean that, but other portions must be taken literally. and ye have to have guidance by their holy spirit to understand it. upshot of it is, if ye disagree with their interpretation then ye obviously are not guided by the holy spirit. convenient that.

and when folks come across someone with memories that validate the entire thing they are denigrated. faulty memories, imagination, wishful thinking, etc.

here's a concept for ye... time only exists when ye are in the body. and that changes the whole game.
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Exactly, at the moment of conception, you're then locked into a certain time reference!!

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If Edgar Cayce was right, which I think he was, and time is an illusion then what are we locked into ?? I think certain people can transcend time.

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