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Mr. Toppit User ID: 1158998 United States 03/15/2011 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. The WCS is China acquires Japan for free. Everybody panics and leaves including the leaders and China is the only country that has enough troops to maintain control of the situation. Then there's the technical problem of what to do with an out of control massive nuclear reaction. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297461 Indonesia 03/15/2011 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Great post SHR, really, except for the fact that TEPCO personnel has left due to high levels of radiation. It was on the ticker and I posted a thread about it, but it doesn't seem to be there at the moment. [link to english.kyodonews.jp] |
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SomeGermanDude User ID: 1149868 Germany 03/15/2011 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Great post SHR, really, except for the fact that TEPCO personnel has left due to high levels of radiation. It was on the ticker and I posted a thread about it, but it doesn't seem to be there at the moment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297461[link to english.kyodonews.jp] I saw that ticker and posted the info here: We will know very soon. According to another breaking thread, Radiation is now too high for TEPCO personnel to stay in control room. Quoting: SomeGermanDudeIf they pull out its G.O. "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 03/15/2011 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Also, cracked plumbing prevents pressure build up. A little pressure is a good thing as it raises the boiling point of the water. Similar to a radiator in a car and why you never open it hot. Because the water is beyond boiling temps but the pressure keeps it from boiling over. The moment the pressure is released the water flash boils violently like a steam bomb. Quoting: ºCRAPºSame with any water cooled system. Adding pressure to the water increases boil over temps. It is a desired effect in the cooling system. But, as system are designed to operate at these standard pressures, anything with less pressure will operate under the standard. So even if they are pumping in tons of sea water it will just flash boil and rise as steam with pressure increases. That pressure increase will exit the system through the cracks. The cracks will open up quickly due to the rushing steam leaving the plumbed system. Eventually leading to a full meltdown. And if any reactor has potential to go China Syndrome, it is reactor #3 with the MOX fuel. Once the temps hit 641*C the Plutonium melts out of the fuel mix. Increasing heat dramatically. All true...the system is meant to be pressurized and that does raise the boiling point...gotta wonder how long the seawater bandaide can last even if it is doing anything worthwhile with all the salt that must be getting cooked out into everything. ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
SomeGermanDude User ID: 1297316 Germany 03/15/2011 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. German Lufthansa cancels flights to Tokio... "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 03/15/2011 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Great post man. Quoting: ScrumpTheTexanIdk if you've heard this or not yet, but at the press conference last night (10:30ish GLP time) they revealed *almost in passing* that Neutron radiation had been detected outside of reactor #3... the MOX reactor. That's an indication of open-air leakage directly from the fuel. Just gets better & better. Not shocked there...that second explosion HAD to do more damage than they are letting on IMO...cause they ain't "letting on" for shit...you can just feel that they are in panic mode...away from the public view... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 973217 United States 03/15/2011 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Sorry no good news from what I can see going on here guys, but it's not looking good at all. The best it seems they can do is dump and pump seawater into everything they can and blow off radioactive steam until the whole complex just burns off and burns up...there won't be any atomic explosion...but there doesn't need to be...the whole mess will belch out radioactive smoke, fire and steam in a big way...getting worse and as it goes until all the reactors with hot fuel rods go into a full uncontrolled meltdown. Quoting: SHRWhether that meltdown will cook through the containments and head into a "China Syndrome" type scenario I don't believe anyone knows for sure....this is just about as uncharted territory for nuclear disasters as it gets....but I hate to think about the odds of that actually happening with possibly 3 or maybe more shots at it. There is whole lot more room for things to get worse here than better anytime soon guys...and some of the worst that can happen is bone chilling... As usual Dude, well put! Last Edited by SHR on 03/15/2011 08:48 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295231 United States 03/15/2011 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Not sure if there are hot fuel rods still in those reactors themselves...hopefully not. Quoting: SHR[link to www.nirs.org] (pdf document) Some really good (compact) info there. Japan has 54 nuclear plants, if there is no one around to keep them in check because of radiation clouds killing off people, how will they impact the rest of the world? |
SomeGermanDude User ID: 1149868 Germany 03/15/2011 08:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. As usual Dude, well put! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 973217Well put but horribly quoted. "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
SHR (OP) Forum Administrator 03/15/2011 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Great post SHR, really, except for the fact that TEPCO personnel has left due to high levels of radiation. It was on the ticker and I posted a thread about it, but it doesn't seem to be there at the moment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297461[link to english.kyodonews.jp] Most but not all from what I understand...but it may be fast approaching the give up, hual ass and hope it doesn't all blow up before we can run far enough away moment.. We might not know much more until morning there... ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
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SomeGermanDude User ID: 1149868 Germany 03/15/2011 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. was the effects of pumping seawater into a nuke facility? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297513im pretty sure they wasn't designed for seawater Where have you been the last 5 days? "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297335 Germany 03/15/2011 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. was the effects of pumping seawater into a nuke facility? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297513im pretty sure they wasn't designed for seawater They can never use it again. I don't know at what prices their facilities come but that too is quite a blow to their already ailing economy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1296458 Canada 03/15/2011 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. Not sure if there are hot fuel rods still in those reactors themselves...hopefully not. Quoting: SHR[link to www.nirs.org] (pdf document) Some really good (compact) info there. Japan has 54 nuclear plants, if there is no one around to keep them in check because of radiation clouds killing off people, how will they impact the rest of the world? They will shut them down if they have to be abandoned. |
BRIEF User ID: 381742 United States 03/15/2011 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. was the effects of pumping seawater into a nuke facility? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297513im pretty sure they wasn't designed for seawater The answer is sand...tons and tons of sand. As the sand melts and layer after layer is poured on it will begin to solidify and form a glass seal...of course it's best that they melt into the ground so that the sand can be poured into the hole, but that will happen naturally anyway if they just stop playing with it and let it happen... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297461 Indonesia 03/15/2011 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. It's a very serious question. Thoughts, SHR? I get the feeling it's about time to get the hell out of here (Indonesia) and head back to the US to be with those I love. Just can't take this much longer. |
Mr. Toppit User ID: 1158998 United States 03/15/2011 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. was the effects of pumping seawater into a nuke facility? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297513im pretty sure they wasn't designed for seawater Might as well save the effort and lives. Let it melt. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297513 United Kingdom 03/15/2011 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. If the US doesn't take charge soon... The Chinese will and it won't be nice. Quoting: Mr. Toppitall the crap is made in china all the highly sophisticated machinery/technology is made in germany the usa only know how to make cheeseburgers/hotdogs dont put it in the hands of the usa, thats sure to bring disaster |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295820 United States 03/15/2011 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. So, it seems from all the information out there that if all the reactors and all the spent fuel rods melt down--the scenario which is seemingly playing out--then basically this is a nuclear ELE, or TEOTWAWKI, right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297461It's a very serious question. Thoughts, SHR? I get the feeling it's about time to get the hell out of here (Indonesia) and head back to the US to be with those I love. Just can't take this much longer. If I were you I'd find myself a nice house in Bali and hole up there. Going to the states could be throwing yourself in front of the truck. Southern hemisphere = good right now |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 660494 Australia 03/15/2011 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. So, it seems from all the information out there that if all the reactors and all the spent fuel rods melt down--the scenario which is seemingly playing out--then basically this is a nuclear ELE, or TEOTWAWKI, right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297461It's a very serious question. Thoughts, SHR? I get the feeling it's about time to get the hell out of here (Indonesia) and head back to the US to be with those I love. Just can't take this much longer. It wouldn't affect us in Australia would it? I thought Japan would definately be off the map but what about the rest of the planet? Can someone explain a worse case scenario and how it would affect all of us? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297503 Thailand 03/15/2011 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. The answer is sand...tons and tons of sand. As the sand melts and layer after layer is poured on it will begin to solidify and form a glass seal...of course it's best that they melt into the ground so that the sand can be poured into the hole, but that will happen naturally anyway if they just stop playing with it and let it happen... Quoting: BRIEFYup.. when they announce helicopters with sand... then schrodingers cat is out of the bag... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297513 United Kingdom 03/15/2011 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. It wouldn't affect us in Australia would it? I thought Japan would definately be off the map but what about the rest of the planet? Can someone explain a worse case scenario and how it would affect all of us? there is no hope for australia/australians you guys are pretty much fucked give it another month the entire population of australia will be radioactive mutants wandering the streets in absolute agony, pain beyond belief |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1230093 United States 03/15/2011 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. If the US doesn't take charge soon... The Chinese will and it won't be nice. Quoting: Mr. Toppitall the crap is made in china all the highly sophisticated machinery/technology is made in germany the usa only know how to make cheeseburgers/hotdogs dont put it in the hands of the usa, thats sure to bring disaster and handing out ass whoopings...don't forget that!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297461 Indonesia 03/15/2011 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. So, it seems from all the information out there that if all the reactors and all the spent fuel rods melt down--the scenario which is seemingly playing out--then basically this is a nuclear ELE, or TEOTWAWKI, right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297461It's a very serious question. Thoughts, SHR? I get the feeling it's about time to get the hell out of here (Indonesia) and head back to the US to be with those I love. Just can't take this much longer. It wouldn't affect us in Australia would it? I thought Japan would definately be off the map but what about the rest of the planet? Can someone explain a worse case scenario and how it would affect all of us? It's the MOX and the sheer amount of it that is there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297461 Indonesia 03/15/2011 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Japan's reactor explosions, spent fuel rod pools over heating...all bad news. Reported now as 2 explosions, 4 total. So, it seems from all the information out there that if all the reactors and all the spent fuel rods melt down--the scenario which is seemingly playing out--then basically this is a nuclear ELE, or TEOTWAWKI, right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297461It's a very serious question. Thoughts, SHR? I get the feeling it's about time to get the hell out of here (Indonesia) and head back to the US to be with those I love. Just can't take this much longer. It wouldn't affect us in Australia would it? I thought Japan would definately be off the map but what about the rest of the planet? Can someone explain a worse case scenario and how it would affect all of us? It's the MOX and the sheer amount of it that is there. |