JESUS' COURSE IN MIRACLES; Examining Why It Was Given To Us, And How It Can Help Us Especially NOW.

APPARENTLY YOU ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO GET SOME ATTENTION.

I FIND YOU TO BE AN UNPLEASANT, INSULTING AND ARROGANT INDIVIDUAL.

BUT I TRY TO OVERLOOK ALL THAT SINCE YOU ALSO CLAIM YOU ARE INSANE.
(insane people can get away with a lot, don't you know?)

And I would agree with that, and your unnatural insistence indicates to me you might also be possessed.
And if you are that would not surprise me.

SO WHO WOULD I BE COMMUNICATING WITH?... IS ANYBODY HOME???

I am responding to your questions because it might also be of help to anyone else who may read this.
But I don't think you and I are capable of communicating much of anything to each other.
We are not in the same frequency.

Maybe in your state of "insanity" you think you made a 'deal' with some idea you have of God and Jesus.
But it certainly wasn't either God or Jesus.

It seems to me that your 'deal' (which is ONLY in your mind) is that you will attack and try to destroy this thread for god and Jesus, or whatever sent you here.

You are no different than the many delusional posters who have done the same thing to this thread and two other threads I started right from their beginning. The Only difference is you are probably more honest and state right up front that you are insane, and the others are just as delusional but won't admit they are totally out of touch with reality.

I don't care what your idea or anyone's idea of God is.
You can worship a potato if you like, it means nothing to me.

THIS THREAD I STARTED IS NOT MEANT FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
ITS FOR INTERESTED AND LIKE-MINDED INDIVIDUALS MORE LIKE ME.

So of the thousands of threads on GLP, this is the one thread you chose to attack?
And so you decide to take a crap on this thread with your abusive nature and also state
that you are insane and so we are supposed to tolerate you're bs,
and the truth is there is nothing we can do about it except look at you as an example.

You can remain as insane as you like because I don't care.
If you knew what I know you would probably feel the same.

NOW TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE;

The writing of the Course can be confusing if one is not ready for what it teaches.
WHEN ONE IS SPIRITUALLY READY IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT IS SAID.

You have been in a confused state of mind and so it would be best for you to try it at another time when you are thinking in a clear way.
And at a time when you don't feel a compulsion to attack those who think differently than you do.
You are right that it is very different than the scripture that has been given to 'Christians' by the "leaders" of the churches who profit most from those churches.

I don't want to get into opinions of what is real or not real with you because it seems that you probably need the belief system you insist is true, to be your chosen foundation at this time.
And whatever anyone wants to believe or not believe is fine with me, I am only here to share my experiences in case it can encourage other like minded people who might be interested.
But what others decide to do or when they do it is their choice, not mine.
Mine is only to share.



The writing style was determined by Helen herself, and the teaching of ACIM that was being transcribed through her was affected by her choice of writing style which is called "iambic pentameter" which is a poetic meter of lines, which can often be difficult to follow. But that was one of the hurdles her ego put into it, and I chose to overlook it because of the value of the information given. A small price to pay for such value.

It shows me that Helen was often under the control of her EGO and I'm sure she did the best she could considering what her background experience had been.

She was still quite independent as a person, and had a preference for the 'poetical style' the writing often takes.

It had less to do with the message coming through her than her insistence to be in some form of control.

I am certain that a lot of important information could not be taught in ACIM because Helen would have rejected the whole project.
And what was important was that world receive 'A Course In Miracles' even if it had to come through with limitations because of the ego of the person it came through.

If people would look at such things as ACIM or any other scripture as nothing more than a sometimes useful tool to help one get through the difficulties of this world, instead of making them 'sacred idols' and 'sacred shrines' and then know nothing of what value their message really have.

This of course is my personal opinion.



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how come most of the eye-witnesses to Jesus walking on water abandoned him and his ministry the day after they witnessed the so-called miracle of Jesus walking on water ??

That's not correct, the witnesses were his disciples while they were in a boat.

And his ministry is still growing over 2000 years later; today.

Who gave you that strange idea?

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OP posted about healing people, earlier in the thread. Also, the Course teaches miracles are a change in perception. I can say because of ACIM, I have had changes in perception and I thank God for that.

If you consider a change in perception a miracle, then there's your answer.

1) I never said anything about you going away.
2) If you see me as a brain-washed moron, why would I care? Have you seen me call you or anyone else names? No, I use etiquette which shows that I honor everyone.
3) I am not desiring a direct confrontation, you did and I asked about it.

I never heard they abandoned Him when He walked on water, only during the trials.

Why is it the only thing you fixate on was me calling myself insane ? Is it cause you know you're full of it?
guess what, I'm not.


Thinking it may be you who is rather insane tho, come on, whatever sent me here,
plus, if your thread was truth one could not destroy it.
About me wanting attention, on the contrary my good sir,
you on the other hand, type out these insidiously long straw men attempting to get everyone's attention, you do this to clutter the thread with misinformation, you're currently attempting to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "me being insane"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position, which is truth by the way, you are afraid because the truth I am typing happens to be cancelling out these cap locked illogical lies of yours, unfortunately you can't see beyond the assumptions.

Also T of G, your naive assumptions have now led you down a road of false conclusions, the writings are not confusing per se, the writings are senseless and tautological; It contains vague statements that give the impression of conveying the truth and in some way still intellectual and emotionally seductive. The writings may start with a beautiful, seemingly inspired truth and than will slowly drift to meaningless confusion - logically ending up with conclusions that are contrary to Sacred Scripture on purpose.

"And at a time when you don't feel a compulsion to attack those who think differently than you do."

I'm not attacking anything plus I like it when people that think different from me, are you able to get beyond your assumptions? My good sir, I'm not, in any way shape or form threatened by your little thread, just pointing out the lies within the pages of ACIM and I'm having fun doing so.


"You are right that it is very different than the scripture that has been given to 'Christians' by the "leaders" of the churches who profit most from those churches."

The Bible was given by God, who are you assuming did this "giving" of the bible?

Hebrews 10
King James Version

10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Revelation 3:8
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.



"But I don't think you and I are capable of communicating much of anything to each other.
We are not in the same frequency."

This is caused by you being unable to comprehend the simple reality that ACIM is meaningless.


"And what was important was that world receive 'A Course In Miracles' even if it had to come through with limitations because of the ego of the person it came through."

So, This Helen and her channeled spirit's account of Jesus are contrary to the Jesus of the Bible, this truth cancels out "A Course In Miracles" rendering it antichrist in origin, cause Helen's account, in reality, nonequivalent to the 12 disciples, the Course In Miracles claims to be Jesus channeled yet this channeled Jesus can be reveled a false in just one sentence.

Helen Schucman's "channeled spirit" denies that our Lord Jesus Christ
came to the earth in the flesh.

An abstract of "the Course" can be
written based solely on two lines of the "spirit" channeled writings.
Chapter 8, Section VII, para- graph 7, page 152 states:

"The Bible says, "The Word (or thought) was made flesh." Strictly
speaking this is impossible, since it seems to involve the
translation of one order or reality into another."

Contrast the "spirits" channeled words to the inspired words of St.
John (1 John 4:1-3):

" Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see
whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into
the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which
confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and
every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the
spirit of anti- christ, of which you heard that it was coming, and
now it is in the world already."

John 6:16-66

those fifty verses cover events that took place during a single day....

Different things pop up and makes this thread focus on other aspects of what could be important to consider.

The Course teaches the importance of PERCEPTION. And we can get a good understanding of how limited we all are in this world when we realize that none of us understands very much of what is happening about anything here because of our limited perceptions.

And our perceptions are based on what we believe is true or not true based on our past experiences. So by our experiences we make things true or not true for us, but we basically see so little of what anything is about, that we often find that what we thought was 'the truth' was not true at all, or at best partially true.

And this often causes a lot of conflicts because everyone assumes they know what is the truth, and people with totally different opinions also are certain they know the truth of whatever subject is being considered.

So for example if the total understanding of any one thing is to know it from all aspects, like a circle's 360 degrees, we actually only can see it from our perspective and perception which we can say is probably less than one degree, because of our limitations.
And most of us believe that from our limited point of view we think we understand it, we then assume we understand it completely.

The Course teaches that ONLY the Holy Spirit understands what the TRUE perception of anything is.

Our function as students of the Course is to learn to think like the Holy Spirit thinks.

We are also told that the Holy Spirit is our Right Mind, and one of the 2 Voices that are in our mind to advise us.
The other voice is the ego.


So how do we know what's true?
How does it make you feel?, may be an indication of something being true.
If you feel a joy about it, it may be real and true.

For me a better one is; WHAT CAN YOU DO NOW AFTER YOU HAVE LEARNED WHAT IT TEACHES, THAT YOU COULD NOT DO BEFORE?
(That to me clearly shows if something is true and has value.)

The truth of the teaching of ACIM for me, is that I have done healings by applying its teaching and principles for miracles which are not possible according to the laws of the science of this world, and they are the miracles that this is a course about, and it really is a course in miracles.

It doesn't mean everyone will do them, but for those who haven't yet done them, just realize they can be done if you pay attention.

And to show how simple it is to do; I told about the 12 years old girl who only listened to me for maybe just over an hour describe what I had done in applying the principles of miracles, and her mother told me she began to do healings soon after that day.
That amazed me because this young girl was able to pick out the important and right things to do for the healings to happen from a talk I gave. And then she applied it and it also worked for her.
It still amazes me.

The Course says: "THE ONLY THING UNNATURAL ABOUT MIRACLES IS THAT YOU ARE NOT ALL DOING THEM."

If you can humbly take the attitude that you don't know much of anything, and as you study it take what it says literally you will also be able to do what it says we all can do.

Do not limit its teaching because you already assume that miracles are not possible. Learn what it teaches we can do and then you will extend the potentials that you really are capable of.


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Okay, thanks for the references, but I don't see anywhere in these scriptures that the disciples abandoned Him when they saw Him walking on water. They were afraid, until He called out to them, but they didn't abandon Him until later.

Also, Verse 22 starts out: "The next day, the multitude which stood at the seaport"...etc:. So, verses 6-21 are the same day.

I use the Lamsa version.
[link to www.lamsabible.com]

What you have posted here reminds me of John 14:12 where Jesus says we will do even greater things than He.

To use John 14:12, and claim we will do greater works meaning miracles, signs and wonders is completely removed from its context and intent.

As we can see from the context, this Scripture has been lifted out of the context by those that claim it is applied to our doing miracles. The work Jesus said he was doing is “speaking,” delivering a message.

This does not mean greater miracles as in greater quality. When we look at the apostles to whom heard these words personally we do not see anything superior in miracles by them. In the first century when the apostles lived these greater works took place. If they did greater miracles the proof should be found in the Bible but it is not there. So this Scripture must mean something other than the way the claimers of miracles (signs and wonders movement) interpret it.

The apostles did not exceed in doing greater miracles than Jesus did, and regular believers did not have the ability to produce miracles the apostles did. Paul in 1 Corinthians 12:29-30 asks the church “Are all workers of miracles? Do all have gifts of healings?” His answer is NO. They did not “feed the 5,000” or “still a storm” No apostle ever duplicated walking on water or had another group of people walk on water. No apostle ever relocated themselves from one place to another. No apostle resurrected himself. No apostle healed a person from a far away distance, they had to be there. Not even the apostles who were personal with Jesus were able to exhibit power over nature as Jesus did. They did not duplicate everything Jesus did.

Like Jesus, the apostles healed those brought to them. However, the Apostles’ miracles were limited in variety, mostly to casting out demons and healing diseases and raising the dead). No prophet or apostle was ever able to duplicate or exceed all the miracles that Jesus did in quality or quantity. Jesus says His works were unique and He did works “which no one else did” (John 15:24)

"24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father."


The main command by Christ throughout His ministry and specifically His last command was to preach the Gospel. If we preach miracles, we are practicing the opposite of the great commission which is about the gospel. Then we are not delivering the true message and we certainly will miss the true power.

How can anyone think we have the same power and abilities as Christ who is God that became man? Can we expect as sinful men to do miracles that only the sinless Son of God could do? We demote Jesus’ uniqueness when we say we can do the very same things He did. Jesus Christ is unique in both his deity and humanity, only “He is the image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15) “the express image of His person” (Hebrews 1:3). There is none like HIM. God can still use us to do miracles, as He leads and as we pray but there is no Biblical support for believers to do miracles equal or greater than the apostles today.

Now for what the phrase actually means. Notice John 14:12 does not say greater miracles, but rather greater works.

more assumptions?
No friend, I choose to not study "the course" because it is meaningless and tautological, any truth found within its pages can also be found in Dr. Seuss books,
yet Dr. Seuss didn't claim to channel Jesus, can't quite figure out your point or reason for promoting such antichrist literature.

DR. seuss teaches:
“I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. Some come from ahead and some come from behind. But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!”

Okay, I looked at the scripture again and I think it very possibly means we will do what Jesus did, whether it's miracles and/or preaching the gospel.

If I were truly motivated to look into it more, I would use Strong's concordance and double-check it, but I'm not because a change in perception is an awesome miracle. If mankind were engaged in continually changing perceptions, that is miracle enough for me.

I only mentioned Strong's because you may be interested in studying scripture using it (if you don't already). It points out transliterations of the scriptures.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“Timeless truth, I tell you: 'whoever believes in me, those works which I have done he will also do, and he will do greater works than these, because I am going to the presence of my Father.' “


That is what I believe the intention of the Course was.
It gave the principles of miracles, but so many, perhaps just about everyone has been so indoctrinated with the belief that this world and its limitations are the best we can do.

We are not material beings, we are eternal Spiritual beings using material bodies for a short time, each time we reincarnate into another one.

When Jesus ascended he first said if he did not go then the Comforter would not come to us. The Comforter is another name for the Holy Spirit.
In real Jesus' website he says he sent the Holy Spirit to be with us, and the Holy Spirit is our Christ self.

We are each a soul with other aspects, and the way that we are composed is more complicated than the simpler way most believe and what we have to learn to do is use our minds in a way so that the Holy Spirit can function through us.

So what the Course does is give a teaching which does that, but does not really explain in clear enough terms for me so that I could understand it easily.

But for me to do what I learned to do, and for what is even more remarkable; that 12 year old girl to do after just hearing me recount various healings I did and how I approached them. It is not that important for us to know it all in order for it to work. Because it is done at a higher level by the Holy Spirit.

We are very limited here by the way our minds work and all the conflicts we have and our ego always manipulating us to screw things up.

Its like there are so many things here to sabotage our efforts to learn who we really are and how we can rise higher to the Spiritual levels where we really belong.

So God sends His Teachers here when we are really lost, like now.
But Jesus would be killed again if he physically came back here, and I believe those who consider themselves The 'Christians' would be among the first to attack him because they would expect Jesus to say EXACTLY what they think he said in the NT.

Anyway one of the most important points of the Course is for us to learn enough so we can rise in consciousness so we can begin to think like the Holy Spirit/Christ self thinks.

And then each of us also becomes the Christ.
And then we would find this world a very different place than it is, because it would be like having many of us connected to the Holy Spirit and to Jesus and the Ascended Hosts, like conduits of spiritual power always flowing to this world from Heaven.

Then the devil and those who work for him would have no power to do what is being done today to ruin this Earth, and people's minds wouldn't be so corrupted and manipulated in so many ways that most have no idea what is real anymore.

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To this day the Christian churches have portrayed Jesus as God's only son.

They portray him as special and his life as something out of our ability to emulate.

And they focus mostly on Jesus as a dead man hanging on a cross. So that the message is that God let his ONLY son be crucified for our sins. (more lies)

What's that say about God?
And also that we have to "fear God"?

Why should we fear God, and WHO benefits if we are afraid of the Real God?

AND THAT IS ALL DELIBERATE AND ALL WRONG TOO.
And it made Jesus' teaching seem unapproachable to most people.


Jesus came here to show us by example that if we did as he said to do then we could also do what he did.

If he was a superman and the rest of us not like him, how is he going to teach others to be supermen?


So much has been distorted from his teaching that if people begin to think about it they will realize how manipulative the religious leaders have been right from the beginning.

Jesus said that we are the church of God.
And that the kingdom of God is WITHIN US.

So what does Peter do, he does the opposite, starts a religion and the building of churches as buildings where God is supposed to speak to the leaders of the church first and then they will tell us what God said.


The Gnostics tried to follow Jesus' teaching.
That's why the organized church tried to kill off all the Gnostics.


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HUH ????

i did not state: disciples

i stated most of those who were following him

Okay, sorry about that. Could you please give me the exact scripture where you find it? The reason I ask is I'm reading these scriptures and don't find what you're talking about. The multitude were looking for Him the next day after walking on the water.

You used the word eye-witnesses which is why I thought you meant disciples. However, maybe others from shore also saw Him walking on water. I never thought of that before.

By the way, I'm only reading to verse 22 because you stated they abandoned Him on the day He walked on water. Verse 22 states it was the next day, so I didn't go ahead and read the rest.

I really believe the intention of the Course is to re-establish each of us, on an individual basis, to the Divine.
That's why it's a SELF study.

I believe this is how man was originally created. We are made in His image. Jesus was in His image and heard from the Father. So the natural conclusion is that this is our true nature and our inheritance too. What else could be the kingdom of heaven within you?

yes, it was the next day

and the point of verse 22 is that the idea of Jesus walking on water was not what actually happened

Oh, okay. You've caught my attention. What was the point?

verse 22 states Jesus did not enter the boat with his disciples, yet verse 21 said he did

point is, there is more to the 'story'

Yes, it's kind of weird how the scriptures state this incident. Have you done any investigation to get insight into it?

yes, i end up at tempature: 33 degrees to 211 degrees

You got nothin' huh?

Jesus warns us that before His actual return, false Christs and false prophets will arise and, showing great wonders, deceive many.

"7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him,"

Every eye means every eye not only this Helen Schucman, which did not even see Jesus with her own eyes.


Revelation 1:5
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Matthew 24:23-27: (this is Jesus speaking): "then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is the Christ", or "There", do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See I have told you beforehand. Therefore, if they say to you, "Look, He is in the desert.", do not go out, or "Look, he is in the inner rooms.", do not believe it. For as the lightning flashes from the East, and flashes to the West, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."




Revelation 19 (King James Version
And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Good to see you posting again T of G. Namaste! I want to also chime in on the Ask The real Jesus website you mentioned above.

I know many people don't believe in channeled messages. And rightly so, because there are so many messages that contain some truth, yet weave in total lies. It's probably safe to say that over 95% of messages are not from the Ascended Masters or the Ascended Host, or truly from heaven. I've been sucked into many messages I thought were true, but turned out otherwise. But all part of the growing process as I've learned how to discern truth from untruth.

There is no question in my mind that messages given to us on the Ask The Real Jesus website are from Jesus. We all have the I Am presence within. Anybody that studies the teachings on the website with an open heart to truth will KNOW that the teachings are from Jesus Himself!