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waterlily27 User ID: 1294877 Canada 03/17/2011 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but the fact remains that the spent fuel rod pool was found dry, and it is larger than a swimming pool. the fact also remains that 600,000 spent fuel rods are unaccounted for I just want to know what the implications are! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But Plan A had failed - cooling systems down or additional clean water unavailable - so Plan B came into effect. This is what it looks like happened: In order to prevent a core meltdown, the operators started to use sea water to cool the core. I am not quite sure if they flooded our pressure cooker with it (the second containment), or if they flooded the third containment, immersing the pressure cooker. But that is not relevant for us. The point is that the nuclear fuel has now been cooled down. Because the chain reaction has been stopped a long time ago, there is only very little residual heat being produced now. The large amount of cooling water that has been used is sufficient to take up that heat. Because it is a lot of water, the core does not produce sufficient heat any more to produce any significant pressure. Also, boric acid has been added to the seawater. Boric acid is "liquid control rod". Whatever decay is still going on, the Boron will capture the neutrons and further speed up the cooling down of the core. The plant came close to a core meltdown. Here is the worst-case scenario that was avoided: If the seawater could not have been used for treatment, the operators would have continued to vent the water steam to avoid pressure buildup. The third containment would then have been completely sealed to allow the core meltdown to happen without releasing radioactive material. After the meltdown, there would have been a waiting period for the intermediate radioactive materials to decay inside the reactor, and all radioactive particles to settle on a surface inside the containment. The cooling system would have been restored eventually, and the molten core cooled to a manageable temperature. The containment would have been cleaned up on the inside. Then a messy job of removing the molten core from the containment would have begun, packing the (now solid again) fuel bit by bit into transportation containers to be shipped to processing plants. Depending on the damage, the block of the plant would then either be repaired or dismantled. Tags: Japan Tsunami, Japan | Get Alerts for these topics » Read more: [link to www.businessinsider.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1301610 United States 03/17/2011 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what about the MOX fuel? Quoting: waterlily27what about it? what facts do you have about MOX fuel? This might help people understand about MOX fuel and reactor number 3! [link to blogs.forbes.com] The number 3 nuclear reactor at Japan’s Fukushima Dai-Ichi complex is feared damaged and leaking radioactive steam, according to Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano. While all six of the nuclear reactors at Japan’s Fukushima Dai-Ichi complex contain dangerous amounts of radioactive materials, the threat of a catastrophic failure at number 3 is particularly worrisome. That’s because No. 3 alone uses a fuel containing plutonium — a toxic metal that, if inhaled, remains in the body and can cause many forms of cancer. The fuel in No. 3 is a blend of plutonium and reprocessed uranium, referred to as MOX (for mixed oxide) and manufactured by the French nuclear company AREVA. MOX fuel rods are also less stable than plutonium-free rods. No. 3 contains 32 MOX fuel rods, or about 5 percent of the total, according to Arjun Makhijani, president of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research, an anti-nuclear power organization which is considered a credible source of information. No U.S. nuclear power plants use MOX, stemming from a 1977 ban by the Carter Administration on reprocessing uranium for domestic nuclear power. That is scheduled to change, however, as the National Nuclear Security Administration gears up for a program to produce MOX fuel at a plant now under construction at the Department of Energy’s Savannah River Site in South Carolina. According to the NNSA’s website: yeh, and I wonder why the UN would go to all the problem of creating a graphic showing how the radiation will move and then say this "A United Nations forecast of the possible movement of the radioactive plume coming from crippled Japanese reactors shows it churning across the Pacific and touching the Aleutian Islands on Thursday before hitting Southern California late Friday." Jung Yeon-Je/Agence France-Presse or that U.S. Calls Radiation ‘Extremely High,’ Sees Japan Nuclear Crisis Worsening (March 17, 2011) (headline) or this "Health and nuclear experts emphasize that radiation in the plume will be diluted as it travels and, at worst, would have extremely minor health consequences in the United States, even if hints of it are ultimately detectable." I mean why would they use words like "extrememly minor health consequences" why would they say THAT if there were NO radiation going to land here? Kindof an odd thing to say if NO RADIATION IS GOING TO LAND HERE!!! OH and then there is THIS "For instance, the Japan forecast shows that the radioactive plume will probably miss the agency’s monitoring stations at Midway and in the Hawaiian Islands but is likely to be detected in the Aleutians and at a monitoring station in Sacramento." I mean, why would they even say - oh it will miss this station and that station but it will MOST LIKELY show up in alaska and sacramento! Why would they EVEN say that if NO RADIATION WAS GOING TO MAKE LANDFALL? The answer is THEY WOULDN'T. they said it because that is what there models show. Period! |
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waterlily27 User ID: 1294877 Canada 03/17/2011 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WANT to agree with you - I don't want a nuclear disaster Quoting: waterlily27but the fact remains that the spent fuel rod pool was found dry, and it is larger than a swimming pool. the fact also remains that 600,000 spent fuel rods are unaccounted for I just want to know what the implications are! Last Edited by waterlily27 on 03/17/2011 08:54 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1278386 United States 03/17/2011 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So Quoting: Iceat the end of the day it will be handled Japan will start re-building and the radiationtards that have posted factless facts will move on I know. imagine what GLP wouldve done if Chernobyl had happened today. "the worlds ending!" there'd be all sorts of crap. thanks for the post. it'll get 1* by doomtards, but I'm gonna 5* for the truth |
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waterlily27 User ID: 1294877 Canada 03/17/2011 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WANT to agree with you - I don't want a nuclear disaster Quoting: waterlily27but the fact remains that the spent fuel rod pool was found dry, and it is larger than a swimming pool. the fact also remains that 600,000 spent fuel rods are unaccounted for I just want to know what the implications are! hey OP.. are you going to answer me? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have issues with it myself and the number of Nuke bombs ready to be used at a moments notice Many stupid people that don't have a clue what they are talking about fill the air waves daily I can't explain why people do what they do or why things are reported the way they are. I know the facts of the Gulf oil spill but what I know doesn't line up with what GLP thinks. So be it and what you think to be a fact is a fact at your house. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WANT to agree with you - I don't want a nuclear disaster Quoting: waterlily27but the fact remains that the spent fuel rod pool was found dry, and it is larger than a swimming pool. the fact also remains that 600,000 spent fuel rods are unaccounted for I just want to know what the implications are! hey OP.. are you going to answer me? I don't know about 600,000 spent fuel rods that are unaccounted for do you know what spent means ? if the rod pool was dry is it still dry ? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1296667 India 03/17/2011 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I WANT to agree with you - I don't want a nuclear disaster Quoting: waterlily27but the fact remains that the spent fuel rod pool was found dry, and it is larger than a swimming pool. the fact also remains that 600,000 spent fuel rods are unaccounted for I just want to know what the implications are! hey OP.. are you going to answer me? I don't know about 600,000 spent fuel rods that are unaccounted for do you know what spent means ? if the rod pool was dry is it still dry ? So why isnt anyone briging this up besides the likes of AJ. Also wouldnt they be spread alll over the place from #3 explosion????? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Additionally, five SDF fire trucks and a police truck equipped with water cannons, each with a capacity of 4-6 tons, sprayed water from below. Personnel braved high levels of radiation to complete their tasks. It is impossible to tell how much water actually reached the pool. An official at Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501), the plant's operator, said the efforts had some effect because steam could be seen rising from the pool. But some 500 tons of water is believed to be needed to fully immerse the spent-fuel rods. "Although they may have been able to lower the temperature of the fuel rods temporarily, the rods need to be fully immersed to cool them effectively," said Tetsuo Ito, head of Kinki University's Atomic Energy Research Institute. According to Tepco, a spent-fuel pool at the adjacent No. 4 reactor may still contain water, based on observation by helicopter. At the No. 1 reactor, which had suffered a hydrogen explosion, and the No. 2 reactor, which may have a damaged suppression pool, the temperature inside the core is believed to be stable thanks to seawater being pumped into the reactor. But temperatures are rising in the spent-fuel pools of the No. 5 and No. 6 reactors, which are being cooled with equipment powered by a single emergency generator. The tsunami knocked out most backup generators at the power plant. On Thursday evening, Tepco installed cables linked to Tohoku Electric's power grid and prepared to connect them to the Nos. 1, 2, 3 and 4 reactors. Power could be restored at the No. 2 reactor as early as Friday. Although the No. 2 reactor's containment vessel is damaged, officials believe that there is a good chance that the cooling system will be restored because the damage is relatively small. If all goes well, cooling equipment at other reactors will get up and running, aiding efforts to bring down temperatures in the reactor cores and spent-fuel storage pools. (The Nikkei March 18 morning edition) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 370828 United States 03/17/2011 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The facts Quoting: Ice- Chernobyl did not have a containment vessel around their nuclear cores. Fukushima does. - The accident at Chernobyl happened DURING a reaction. The Fukushima cores have shut down since the earthquake. The problem there is that they are too hot. Still a problem, but not the same as an explosion from an active reaction. - The reason why Chernobyl was so deadly was that the Russian government lied. You can read up on this on wikipedia for further details. - We are 5000 miles away from Japan. Radiation from Chernobyl could not be detected more than 1000 miles away. - You are exposed to lots of radiation every day. From cars, planes, the earth, etc. Nuclear power was not the single self-destructive thing we have created in the last century. Would we have increased levels of radiation if an explosion were to happen at Fukushima? Probably. Would it be significant over what we already have? Unlikely. Like tossing a cup of water into a swimming pool... - Studies tracking residents near Chernobyl over several decades found that after 20 years, the incidence of cancer there had risen, but no more than it has in the United States. Well said! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The nuclear fuel cycle, also called nuclear fuel chain, is the progression of nuclear fuel through a series of differing stages. It consists of steps in the front end, which are the preparation of the fuel, steps in the service period in which the fuel is used during reactor operation, and steps in the back end, which are necessary to safely manage, contain, and either reprocess or dispose of spent nuclear fuel. If spent fuel is not reprocessed, the fuel cycle is referred to as an open fuel cycle (or a once-through fuel cycle); if the spent fuel is reprocessed, it is referred to as a closed fuel cycle. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interim storage After its operating cycle, the reactor is shut down for refueling. The fuel discharged at that time (spent fuel) is stored either at the reactor site (commonly in a spent fuel pool) or potentially in a common facility away from reactor sites. If on-site pool storage capacity is exceeded, it may be desirable to store the now cooled aged fuel in modular dry storage facilities known as Independent Spent Fuel Storage Installations (ISFSI) at the reactor site or at a facility away from the site. The spent fuel rods are usually stored in water or boric acid, which provides both cooling (the spent fuel continues to generate decay heat as a result of residual radioactive decay) and shielding to protect the environment from residual ionizing radiation, although after at least a year of cooling they may be moved to dry cask storage. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mixed oxide, or MOX fuel, is a blend of reprocessed uranium and plutonium and depleted uranium which behaves similarly, although not identically, to the enriched uranium feed for which most nuclear reactors were designed. MOX fuel is an alternative to low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuel used in the light water reactors which predominate nuclear power generation. Currently, plants in Europe are reprocessing spent fuel from utilities in Europe and Japan. Reprocessing of spent commercial-reactor nuclear fuel is currently not permitted in the United States due to the perceived danger of nuclear proliferation. However the recently announced Global Nuclear Energy Partnership would see the U.S. form an international partnership to see spent nuclear fuel reprocessed in a way that renders the plutonium in it usable for nuclear fuel but not for nuclear weapons. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1062912 United States 03/17/2011 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Radiation from Chernobyl could not be detected more than 1000 miles away. Quoting: IceFalse. [link to qed.princeton.edu (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297104 United States 03/17/2011 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From what I’ve heard the japanese were using low enriched uranium (LEU) wich doesn’t catch fire like the enriched uranium at Cernobil. That was their policy because of Hiroshima and the lost war, they wanted to use LEU only. Quoting: IceSome years ago they decided to change the the LEU with MOX(mixed oxide) wich contains 93% uranium and 7 % plutonium. MOX was made out of decomissioned US military nukes. US wanted to get rid of the stockpile so made the MOX. You can use it in a reactor but you cannot make a nuclear bomb back out of it so it was ok to sell the stuff to others. MOX was similar in some way to LEU so Japan decided to use. The problem with MOX is that is not that “nice” as LOW and doesn’t cool down as is the case in Fukushima. The good thing is that it’s not as dangerous as the enriched uraniumn in Cernobal either. [link to www.npr.org] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you live in the US, and have a basement, the radiation levels in your basement are most likely higher than what is being vented. Quoting: IceThat's an ignorant and false statement. I agree that might be a little over the top |
waterlily27 User ID: 1294877 Canada 03/17/2011 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know about 600,000 spent fuel rods that are unaccounted for Quoting: Icedo you know what spent means ? if the rod pool was dry is it still dry ? [link to www.cbsnews.com] [link to news.yahoo.com] ahem |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 932005 United States 03/17/2011 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FACT: CHERNOBYL PLUME Did reach the United States as far east as New York city. FACT: Soil ,Air and Cows Milk were tested POSITIVE for radiation from the Chernobyl radiation HERE in the United States. FACT: You are being lied to at this time by your government. PROOF: Here is the ACTUAL Documentation made by the U.S. Government that shows all of the above and MORE! CHERNOBYL PLUME COUNTRY-BY-COUNTRY SUMMARY U.S.A. [link to www.davistownmuseum.org] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1198579 United States 03/17/2011 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know about 600,000 spent fuel rods that are unaccounted for Quoting: Icedo you know what spent means ? if the rod pool was dry is it still dry ? [link to www.cbsnews.com] [link to news.yahoo.com] ahem The temperature of the water in the spent fuel storage pool for Unit 4 was 183 degrees Fahrenheit on Monday, when it was last measured. No measurements have been available since then, Nishiyama said. "We have no information about whether the spent fuel rods are exposed," he said. water lets get some info and deal with it as the facts prove out things have gotten out of control we are acting like they are out of control |
Burt Gummer User ID: 1301786 United States 03/17/2011 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The facts Quoting: Ice- Chernobyl did not have a containment vessel around their nuclear cores. Fukushima does. - The accident at Chernobyl happened DURING a reaction. The Fukushima cores have shut down since the earthquake. The problem there is that they are too hot. Still a problem, but not the same as an explosion from an active reaction. - The reason why Chernobyl was so deadly was that the Russian government lied. You can read up on this on wikipedia for further details. - We are 5000 miles away from Japan. Radiation from Chernobyl could not be detected more than 1000 miles away. - You are exposed to lots of radiation every day. From cars, planes, the earth, etc. Nuclear power was not the single self-destructive thing we have created in the last century. Would we have increased levels of radiation if an explosion were to happen at Fukushima? Probably. Would it be significant over what we already have? Unlikely. Like tossing a cup of water into a swimming pool... - Studies tracking residents near Chernobyl over several decades found that after 20 years, the incidence of cancer there had risen, but no more than it has in the United States. You are SOOOO delusional and misinformed it's difficult to even know where to being tearing your BULLSH*T apart. |