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External Power Line Connected To Crippled Nuke Plant Unclear If Pumps Can Still Operate Update Hope To Restart Reactor 2 Cooling Soon

 
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External Power Line Connected To Crippled Nuke Plant Unclear If Pumps Can Still Operate Update Hope To Restart Reactor 2 Cooling Soon
he Tokyo Electric Power Co. has connected an external transmission line with the stricken nuclear power plant Friday and confirmed that electricity can be supplied, Reuters reported, in a move hoping to cool down the exposed nuclear fuel rods.

In a statement, the company said it "planned to supply Unit 2 first, followed by Unit 1, Unit 3 and Unit 4 ... because Unit 2 is expected to be less damaged" at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant.

Despite the connection, there is no guarantee the pumps will work even if they have electricity.


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Chances of any success with this are low.

Maybe if they are lucky they can save 1 or 2 reactors at best.
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Pumps are fucked. Next question?
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boring.................
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boring.................
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1302759


Would you want your whole country contaminated?
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Pumps are fucked. Next question?
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They don't know that for sure yet.

Power is being restored but will have to see if pumps can work at all.
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The pumps are all covered with salt water now.

As soon as they hook electricity to them, they're gonna crumble into dust if they don't flush that crap out of there. But they can't, because they can't get anywhere near the pumps.

Salt water is bad news for electrical stuff.
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They are going to try reactor 2 first because the building has the least damage.

Spraying number 3 with 50 tons of water now.
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They are raising the temporary allowable exposure of the workers reconnecting the power to 250mSV up from 100

That is a lot of radiation for such a short period
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Some good news is better than none.

Too many damn pins, this thing hits Page 2 too quickly...
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Some good news is better than none.

Too many damn pins, this thing hits Page 2 too quickly...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1289732


A little good news perhaps.

Maybe they can at least save one reactor
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The pumps are all covered with salt water now.

As soon as they hook electricity to them, they're gonna crumble into dust if they don't flush that crap out of there. But they can't, because they can't get anywhere near the pumps.

Salt water is bad news for electrical stuff.
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You would think the G.E.plant makers knew these pumps were critical and were exposed to EQ and possible tsnami waves and should be made and put somewhere waterproof at the least, self regulaters and big corprations rubber stamping themselves again, unless that was the plan to have THEM exposed.Would love to see pics of these pumps or blueprints maybe to see loacations.
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The pumps are all covered with salt water now.

As soon as they hook electricity to them, they're gonna crumble into dust if they don't flush that crap out of there. But they can't, because they can't get anywhere near the pumps.

Salt water is bad news for electrical stuff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1223844


You would think the G.E.plant makers knew these pumps were critical and were exposed to EQ and possible tsnami waves and should be made and put somewhere waterproof at the least, self regulaters and big corprations rubber stamping themselves again, unless that was the plan to have THEM exposed.Would love to see pics of these pumps or blueprints maybe to see loacations.
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Well for what it is worth three GE engineers resigned over the design of this plant.

I have seen a few articles that say this is the only design that stores the used fuel rods over the reactor core.

The engineers were very concerned that this plant was not as safe as it could be but for convenience the design was not changed.
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Good luck! Are we going to have to wait another 5 days for the Plumbers and Boiler Technicians to get there? Where are the Laborers clearing the rubble?

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The pumps are all covered with salt water now.

As soon as they hook electricity to them, they're gonna crumble into dust if they don't flush that crap out of there. But they can't, because they can't get anywhere near the pumps.

Salt water is bad news for electrical stuff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1223844


You would think the G.E.plant makers knew these pumps were critical and were exposed to EQ and possible tsnami waves and should be made and put somewhere waterproof at the least, self regulaters and big corprations rubber stamping themselves again, unless that was the plan to have THEM exposed.Would love to see pics of these pumps or blueprints maybe to see loacations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968949


Well for what it is worth three GE engineers resigned over the design of this plant.

I have seen a few articles that say this is the only design that stores the used fuel rods over the reactor core.

The engineers were very concerned that this plant was not as safe as it could be but for convenience the design was not changed.
 Quoting: The Chef


convenience.

GE4GLP

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I don't see how it will work.

Maybe they will get lucky.

My guess when they turn the pumps back on it will look like the sprinkler system on "Caddyshack" when they try to kill that gopher.

Water spraying everywhere.
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Pumps are fucked. Next question?
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They don't know that for sure yet.

Power is being restored but will have to see if pumps can work at all.
 Quoting: The Chef


even if pumps work, pipes are fucked.

its a do this cos there isnt anything else type situation

they have to try cool and bury.
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ops avatar ilooks like constipated man trying to take dump
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Re: External Power Line Connected To Crippled Nuke Plant Unclear If Pumps Can Still Operate Update Hope To Restart Reactor 2 Cooling Soon
Here is a link to the latest "official" status of the reactors

[link to www.jaif.or.jp]
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Thanks for update Chef!bump
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Is this your monstah?


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UC Berkeley nuclear engineers also demonstrated why it's impossible for the fuel rods in Japan to catch on fire. They exposed a piece of cladding, just like the ones found in the Japanese reactor cores to 2,000 degrees Celsius. If the cladding burnt, the nuclear fuel inside would send huge amounts of radioactive particles into the atmosphere.

"It's worse, much worse to have it on fire. The fire and the smoke become a way to spread the material that's inside," Professor Charles Yeamans from the UC Berkeley Department of Nuclear Engineering said.

The test proved the rods, while they would suffer some damage, would not catch on fire

[link to abclocal.go.com]

Has anyone heard this before? I thought a fire with the spent rods was the biggest danger?
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The pumps are all covered with salt water now.

As soon as they hook electricity to them, they're gonna crumble into dust if they don't flush that crap out of there. But they can't, because they can't get anywhere near the pumps.

Salt water is bad news for electrical stuff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1223844


You would think the G.E.plant makers knew these pumps were critical and were exposed to EQ and possible tsnami waves and should be made and put somewhere waterproof at the least, self regulaters and big corprations rubber stamping themselves again, unless that was the plan to have THEM exposed.Would love to see pics of these pumps or blueprints maybe to see loacations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 968949


Well for what it is worth three GE engineers resigned over the design of this plant.

I have seen a few articles that say this is the only design that stores the used fuel rods over the reactor core.

The engineers were very concerned that this plant was not as safe as it could be but for convenience the design was not changed.
 Quoting: The Chef


convenience.

:GE4GLP:
 Quoting: Monkeyfister


It was reported on the news that these PUMPS were running for 1 hour or more after event meaning at least 1/2 hour after submerged under water , not buying it somethin smells.Also security firm magna bp from israel in charge of plant i smell inside job maybe stuxnet used.
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UC Berkeley nuclear engineers also demonstrated why it's impossible for the fuel rods in Japan to catch on fire. They exposed a piece of cladding, just like the ones found in the Japanese reactor cores to 2,000 degrees Celsius. If the cladding burnt, the nuclear fuel inside would send huge amounts of radioactive particles into the atmosphere.

"It's worse, much worse to have it on fire. The fire and the smoke become a way to spread the material that's inside," Professor Charles Yeamans from the UC Berkeley Department of Nuclear Engineering said.

The test proved the rods, while they would suffer some damage, would not catch on fire

[link to abclocal.go.com]

Has anyone heard this before? I thought a fire with the spent rods was the biggest danger?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252311


I saw this report and they are obfuscating the issue. Those fuel rods are made from zirconium aka Zirconium cladding they are about 12 feet tall and maybe 2 inches in diameter. The Fuel pellets are loaded into the rods and then they are used after they no longer can give out the high percentage of energey needed for the reactor they are "spent" (its relative) and they go into pools. Zrconium cladding must be underwater otherwise they will start to react with the air exothermically. then the fuel pellets are being exposed and then heating up and then it start to boil the water away. What is truly dangerous is that now they aren't seperate anymore and the pellets are melting together (along with giving off alot of radiation). If not careful or allowed, they could possibly start fission again and then shoot up in heat and have complete meltdown. Here's a link for you to look at, either the newscasters didn't edit this well and/or the professor blew smoke up their butt.

[link to www.nirs.org]
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UC Berkeley nuclear engineers also demonstrated why it's impossible for the fuel rods in Japan to catch on fire. They exposed a piece of cladding, just like the ones found in the Japanese reactor cores to 2,000 degrees Celsius. If the cladding burnt, the nuclear fuel inside would send huge amounts of radioactive particles into the atmosphere.

"It's worse, much worse to have it on fire. The fire and the smoke become a way to spread the material that's inside," Professor Charles Yeamans from the UC Berkeley Department of Nuclear Engineering said.

The test proved the rods, while they would suffer some damage, would not catch on fire

[link to abclocal.go.com]

Has anyone heard this before? I thought a fire with the spent rods was the biggest danger?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1252311


I saw this report and they are obfuscating the issue. Those fuel rods are made from zirconium aka Zirconium cladding they are about 12 feet tall and maybe 2 inches in diameter. The Fuel pellets are loaded into the rods and then they are used after they no longer can give out the high percentage of energey needed for the reactor they are "spent" (its relative) and they go into pools. Zrconium cladding must be underwater otherwise they will start to react with the air exothermically. then the fuel pellets are being exposed and then heating up and then it start to boil the water away. What is truly dangerous is that now they aren't seperate anymore and the pellets are melting together (along with giving off alot of radiation). If not careful or allowed, they could possibly start fission again and then shoot up in heat and have complete meltdown. Here's a link for you to look at, either the newscasters didn't edit this well and/or the professor blew smoke up their butt.

[link to www.nirs.org]
 Quoting: Buck Johnson


Thanks that is a great explanation. Most likely it was the professor and the reporter did not know better.
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Hope to restart reactor 2 cooling in the next few hours.

Perhaps #4 Saturday as well but it may be Sunday
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Possible good news and nobody interested.

Do you guys really want Japan to suffer more?
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Possible good news and nobody interested.

Do you guys really want Japan to suffer more?
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Get over it. People not replying to your thread doesn't mean they want Japan to suffer more. It's a stupid thing to say.
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Maybe 2 could run water, that would be great. 5 and 6 also. Better than nothing!

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