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Im only 19 years old. I dare anyone to attempt to DEBUNK the bible. Bet you cant...

 
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My name is Tevin Boss. I am calling on all the disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ, to rise against the false apostles of the Atlantians, Galactic Federation, and Zietgist movement. These abominations shall rise in our departure. Real followers of Christ rise up and let the world hear hine voice! Have No fear, for thou who walks on faith and not by sight, shall be given the living word of God. May the Lord consume us and use us as vessels. In all ways acknowledge him, Let him be your light, and may it shine brilliantly.

Now, for all those who doubt the Lords will, and dwell within the darkness that is the world, Question me
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The bible is a multi-generational MASONIC blueprint to implement the new world order.
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It is not. You have obviously not read it. There are so many things wrong with this assertion, that I do not know where to begin. The bible is a bronze age document and predates masonry by a very long time. The bible is not used in all masonic lodges, only those that are in Christian communities. The VOSL can be any book the members hold sacred. In Islamic communities it is the Qur'an. The bible is not a blue print for anything. It is neither consistent nor logical and other tan containing a few laws for bronze age people does not lay out any kind of timeline or suggestion for a new world order.
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Actually the NIV is a Masonic ritual book unlike the KJV which is the living word of God
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More debunking...


But is hating OK? What does the bible speak about a man who hated? We’ll look at Psalms 139:21-22 “Do I not hate those that hate thee, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against thee? I hate them with the utmost hatred; they have become my enemies.” So here we see that David hated his and God’s enemies. Who was David? Well according to Paul, God said that David was a man after Gods own heart. (Acts 13:22) And that must mean that it must be right and it is at least biblical to hate

What about violence? Does the bible promote in anyway violence and genocide or what is being termed “ethnic cleansing”? Numbers 21:1-3 Israel made a vow that if God would deliver the Canaanites into their hands they would totally destroy them. Well verse 3 shows that Yahweh God listened and the Israelites totally destroyed the Canaanites and their cities.
Let us look at Sihon and what really happened here. Sihon was the King of Heshbon. (Deut. 2:30) The Israelites went to the King with words of peace asking to be able to pass through his land.(vs 26) Then vs. 30 says, “But Sihon king of Heshbon was not willing for us to pass through his land; for the Lord your God hardened his spirit and made his heart obstinate,…” So we gather from this “inspired” text that God hardened Sihon’s heart so that he would not allow Israel to pass through his land. Then vs. 31 says, “And the Lord said to me, “See I have begun to deliver Sihon and his land over to you, Begin to occupy, that you may possess his land.” Does anyone remember the Serbs and their “ethnic cleansing” and the United States went into war with them(because of ethnic cleansing) and took possession of their land? This sounds similar. Then it seems that Sihon came out to fight against Israel and to stand up for their own land. (vs.32) And then in verses 33-35 you really get an idea of this “God of the bible”. It says, “And the Lord our God delivered him over to us; and we defeated him with his sons and all his people. So we captured all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, women, and children of every city. We left no survivor. We took only the animals as our booty and the spoil of the cities which we had captured.”
And this is “God of Love” that the Christians always talk about? Not only did God deliver these people into the hands of Israel but then they utterly destroyed everyone! Even the children! Now folks this is just down right genocide and ethnic cleansing. Not only that but the reason why this happened was because Sihon would not allow Israel to pass through his land. Right. Well why would Sihon not let them? Because Yahweh God himself hardened the kings heart! So not only did all these killings take place with God’s blessing but BECAUSE of him! It was his fault that these innocent women and children had to die. Folks is it just me or don’t you think it would had been easier for Yahweh and his people to cross the land if he would not had hardended the kings heart? This is the story of the Jewish God Yahweh. Only in the bible is there many stories with so much hatred, stupidity and unjust acts on the part of the Yahweh God.
There is more. Just a little later in Deuteronomy chapter 7 it says in verse 1, “When the Lord your God shall bring you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and shall clear away many nations before you…” Well this is clearly speaking of “ethnic cleansing” that is said to be evil by both Christians and Jews. There where seven specific nations that the bible talks about here in verse 2, “…when the Lord your God shall deliver them (the seven very ethnic nation’s : Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites) before you, and you shall defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. Make no covenant with them and show no favor to them.” This is a major racial war. Although it is known that these “wars” cannot be verified by history but this is definitely a command to totally kill, murder, whatever it takes but destroy them. This is what Christians and Jews are claiming is wrong! But the God of their own religions not only promoted but actually commited racial genocide!
Then of course if we go to Ecclesiastes 3:8-9 it says there is a “time to hate” and a “time for war”. Here we see that God is saying that it is good to hate and have war sometimes because there is a time for that. And then in Exodus 15:3 it says, “The Lord is a man of war”
How much of a man of war is Yahweh? Let us look at how loving this Yahweh is.
EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men
LE 26:29, DT 28:53, JE 19:9, EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39)
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves."
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you."
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho men, women, and children with the edge of the sword.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua defeated the whole land ...; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and unsuspecting people of Laish
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and beasts and all that they found," and set their towns on fire.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's abode.)
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel that kills 70,000 men
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating bread and drinking water in a place where the Lord had previously told him not to. This is in spite of the fact that the man had subsequently been lied to by a prophet who told the man that an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright to eat and drink there.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children.
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My name is Tevin Boss. I am calling on all the disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ, to rise against the false apostles of the Atlantians, Galactic Federation, and Zietgist movement. These abominations shall rise in our departure. Real followers of Christ rise up and let the world hear hine voice! Have No fear, for thou who walks on faith and not by sight, shall be given the living word of God. May the Lord consume us and use us as vessels. In all ways acknowledge him, Let him be your light, and may it shine brilliantly.

Now, for all those who doubt the Lords will, and dwell within the darkness that is the world, Question me
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Yes, I can debunk your bible completely, but you being at the age of no wisdom, it would be a complete waist of my time!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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Age is not indicative of wisdom.
Experience IS.
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Re: Im only 19 years old. I dare anyone to attempt to DEBUNK the bible. Bet you cant...
OP, I am uncertain as to whether or not you will read this, and ponder how much energy to expend upon this topic.

To begin with, you issue a challenge that is at a school-boy level. Is this how you honestly want to be seen, or are you merely role-playing, or...?

Debunking is something I do for myself. I could go into much detail on why 'the bible' is a highly suspect document at best, and neural-linguistic programming at its root. Whatever I posted in that regard would be ignored or ridiculed, as your mind appears to already be made up.

I think you are not interested in an honest debate on this topic. In the event that you are being forthright, please answer this question: which, of the many translations and versions of 'the bible' available is the correct one, and why?
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Thank you all knowing adult for attacking the fact that im a kid. If debunking the bible is school kid stuff, then hit me with the facts friend, instead of just going ad hominom. Im clearly intrerested in a debate my friend,so lets do this intellectually, go ahead, hit me with ur proof
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Example # 1 Cruelty in the Bible


Numbers: Cruelty and Violence

1. God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38

2. Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

3. Don't touch or "go in to see when the holy things are covered." God kills people who touch or look at covered holy things. 4:15, 20

4. God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

5. "He shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest ... and the priest shall offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering." 6:10-11

6. "He ... shall bring a lamb of the first year for a trespass offering." 6:12

7. "He shall offer his offering unto the LORD, one he lamb of the first year without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings." 6:14

8. "The priest shall bring them before the LORD, and shall offer his sin offering, and his burnt offering." 616:

9. "The priest shall offer also his meat offering." 6:17

10. "And the priest shall take the sodden shoulder of the ram." 619:

11. "And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder." 6:20

12. When Moses set up the tabernacle, each of the twelve tribes kills a bullock, lamb, ram, and a kid, two oxen, and five rams, goats, and lambs for God, for a grand total of 240 animal sacrifices. 7:15-88

13. "The Levites shall lay their hands upon the heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering." 8:8-12

14. All firstborn Israelites, "both man and beast", belong to God. He got them the day that he killed every Egyptian firstborn child and animal. 8:17

15. "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it (He had his hearing aid on.) .... and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them."
God burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them! 11:1-2

16. "And wile the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

17. Miriam and Aaron (Moses' brother and sister) criticize Moses for marrying an Ethiopian woman and thus breaking the law of God. But God makes it clear that his rules don't apply to his favorites, and he strikes Miriam with leprosy. Notice that only Miriam is punished, though both she and Aaron complained. 12:1, 9-10

18. God tells Moses that he is going to kill all of the Israelites -- every last whining one of the them, and then make a whole bunch of brand new Israelites. 14:12

19. God punishes the children for the failings of their great-great grandfathers. 14:18

20. So Moses talked God out of killing everyone. He'll just see to it that no one over 20 years old survives the trip to Israel. Their "carcases shall fall in the wilderness." 14:20-35

[link to skepticsannotatedbible.com]
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shove your bible up your ass op.

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How is your life my friend, are you prospering?]
Are you surrounded with loved ones?
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oh yep, could be better. could be worse. yepp...
Fuck your gunfights all i need is one mic and crowd time and i could outshine the sunlight on Cloud9!
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How about instead of posting here you go out and help some of the millions of women and children who'll be brutally raped, tortured, murdered, or starved to death today?

Since your God isn't doing shit about it..
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God gave us the priviledge of free will. Its not his fault that greedy ppl rose to the top, and stepped over whoever anhatever to get there. God him self calls goverments Beasts. God is angered that his children have been treated like this. That is why you are about to face tribulation. He's putting and end to all the hate, persecution, murdering, raping, and everything that is fowl. But even in that, he's still giving YOU a chance to repent.
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You, you poor bastard, have already had your programming fucked up beyond repair if this is all you have to think about.



You, do not speak for GOD.



You, do not know shit, you really cannot even spell well.



Go find someone to buy you some beer, find a hot girl and enjoy some flesh.



Your sins are paid for in advance, so have fun.



To belive in GOD you must listen to the views of all men or none.



And to say it is not GOD's fault?



If GOD exists, everything IS His fault!!!



Dumbass.
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K well, are u gonna debunk something?
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Almost the entire Bible – from Genesis to Jude anyway – talks about freewill, our choice of whether we believe (have faith) that there is a God, the freewill to worship Him, the freewill to try and live a holy life. By the same rules, we also have the freewill to turn away from God, to mock Him, to spurn Him.

The Bible is textually pure, about 99%.
Beyond this, one cannot debunk what the Bible says, because in the end it boils down to belief(faith).

Either you believe it or you don't.
How can you say you believe it or not if you have not read it?
If you have not read it, then you are choosing to believe in your own ignorance.
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I've read the bible. I was once very devout.
I dare not think God "dumbed" down his omniscient intellect with the biblical writings so that our minds could comprehend his teachings to such a lesser extent than perhaps was realized.

While it is true that Religion has churned its own teachings via interpretation and/ (or make believe) I am aware of the great knowledge within the bible.

How a God can command genocide, telling a man to murder his only son (as a test) when he's supposed to be all knowing doesn't sit well with me. Sure, God could have known Abraham was going to kill his son anyway on that mountain but he needed proof? Or was this tale man made from inception? Many things don't make sense to me:

Alas...the nature of belief...It can be this way.
"Don't Do unto others as they have done unto you...Instead show them love, patience understanding, and empathy regardless of how they have chosen to be, think and feel."
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Would the world be better if all the bibles all over the plant were burned?

Affirmative.

No Christians, No Jews, No Moslems. The world at peace.
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I want to see proof the Bible is more than just a bullshit book wrote for entertainment.
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Has the New Testament been altered? Critical, academic analysis says it has not.


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Got a credible link to that one sparky?
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Here are a couple to get you started.

[link to carm.org]
It is obvious that the New Testament is far better preserved than any other ancient text, yet, people have no problem believing in Caesar, Plato, and Aristotle.

[link to carm.org]
This is because the New Testament documents are better-preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings. Because they are so numerous, they can be cross checked for accuracy... and they are very consistent.
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So what you are saying is if my lies are cohesive, consistent and match up then I am telling the truth from a historical stand point? You cannot see how it is possible to manufacture a system *being saved* *religion* or whatever vessel in order to control and enslave people?

Keep in mind I'm provoking your mind with this, not condemning you/your faith.
"Don't Do unto others as they have done unto you...Instead show them love, patience understanding, and empathy regardless of how they have chosen to be, think and feel."
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Almost the entire Bible – from Genesis to Jude anyway – talks about freewill, our choice of whether we believe (have faith) that there is a God, the freewill to worship Him, the freewill to try and live a holy life. By the same rules, we also have the freewill to turn away from God, to mock Him, to spurn Him.

The Bible is textually pure, about 99%.
Beyond this, one cannot debunk what the Bible says, because in the end it boils down to belief(faith).

Either you believe it or you don't.
How can you say you believe it or not if you have not read it?
If you have not read it, then you are choosing to believe in your own ignorance.
 Quoting: KnowledgeForTruth



I've read the bible. I was once very devout.
I dare not think God "dumbed" down his omniscient intellect with the biblical writings so that our minds could comprehend his teachings to such a lesser extent than perhaps was realized.

While it is true that Religion has churned its own teachings via interpretation and/ (or make believe) I am aware of the great knowledge within the bible.

How a God can command genocide, telling a man to murder his only son (as a test) when he's supposed to be all knowing doesn't sit well with me. Sure, God could have known Abraham was going to kill his son anyway on that mountain but he needed proof? Or was this tale man made from inception? Many things don't make sense to me:

Alas...the nature of belief...It can be this way.
 Quoting: SelflessnHumble


God new he would do it because God knows all. Does this mean that Abraham didn't have to live through this test of faith? No. After this Abraham's faith was much stronger. And lets not forget that even if God allowed him to follow through Abraham was sending his son to a better place anyways, home.
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More debunking from above!

Matthew and Luke's version of the Genealogy do agree on this one point. Both of them have Jesus' lineage as running through Zerubabbel and Shealtiel, two of the cursed and forbidden descendants of Jeconiah. So the question comes up. How could Jesus Christ be the "Messiah" and at the same time be descended from kings that were cursed and the kings descendants, including Jesus himself, be banished and forbidden, by a direct command by God, from the Throne of David FOREVER??? The very same Throne that Jesus is said occupy or will occupy, depending on the sect of Christianity that you are in. This if course is a BIG mistake in the bible and is a contradiction.
Luke chapter 3 states Jesus' genealogy also. Luke 3:23 states, "And Jesus being about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) THE SON OF JOSEPH, which was the son of Heli..."
There is already a contradiction. Matthew states Jacob as Joseph's father and Luke states Heli as his father. Besides that it does say that Jesus was Joseph's son. Some will then say, "But it says 'as was supposed' ." But let us look at what the word "supposed" meant to those in the time when the bible was being translated into English. The Websters Dictionary of 1828 says for supposed: "Laid down or imagined as true; imagined; believed; received as true." This word is actually verifying that Luke could have also believed that Jesus was the son of Joseph as did everyone else. There is NO PROOF that Luke wrote it that way because it was just what people thought but was not really the case. But IF that is true, then Luke should have dealt with that issue. He had the opportunity to do it, but did not. He could have easily written something like, "being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which we know is not true but that he was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit"
The genealogy that Luke gives has a few more problems. It contradicts Matthew's account of David's son in Joseph's AND Jesus' genealogy. Luke put Nathan in Joseph's AND Jesus' genealogy and Matthew uses Solomon as Joseph's AND Jesus' ancestor. The problem for Luke is that the "Messiah" lineage and throne was to come through Solomon and Asa NOT Nathan's! (I Chronicles 22:9-10, II Samuel 7:12-16, I Kings 15:11-14, Psalms 132:10-12)
Some may think that I am making a big issue out of genealogies. But this is the main figure in the Christian bible and if this is "inspired" writings then Jesus Christ is shown that he is NOT the "Son of God."
Jesus' own mother, Mary, seemed to think that Jesus was not supernaturally born. This is exactly what the scriptures indicate.
"And he (Jesus) said unto them (Joseph and Mary, his parents), "Why is it that you were looking for me? Did you not know that I had to be in MY FATHERS house?" And they DID NOT UNDERSTAND the statement which he had made to them." (Luke 2:49-50)
We see here that Joseph and Mary did not understand Jesus. Now what did they not understand? Well, it had to be his comment on "his fathers house". This obviously threw them off and must mean that they did not understand or know that God was Jesus' father. That is the only way to take this verse. Mary did not believe that Jesus had a supernatural father and this is shown in verse 48, "And when they (Mary and Joseph) saw him, they were astonished; and his mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us this way? Behold, YOUR FATHER and I have been anxiously looking for you." So Mary did not claim that God was Jesus' father. Even she said that Joseph was Jesus' father and if anyone should know, it would be Mary!
Even Luke claims that Joseph was Jesus' father, not God. "And his father (Joseph) and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about him." (Luke 2:33 NAS; the King James changed this to "Joseph" not father) A look at Luke 2:43 will also show that the writer Luke again claims that Jesus' father was Joseph because he was his parent.
Mark and John make no mention of a virgin birth. John wrote that Philip, a disciple of Jesus, identified Jesus as the son of Joseph: "Philip finds Natanael, and says to him, "We have found him...Jesus of Nazareth, the SON OF JOSEPH." (John 1:45) That is the way John leaves it. So not only did Philip believe that Joseph was Jesus' father John must have thought the same thing. If he did know about the "virgin birth" he must have not thought that it was that important to dispute what Philip say's here. Then John 6:42 the Jews say, "Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know?" We see here that the Jews said they knew who his parents were so they should have understood what he meant in verse 41, "I am the bread that came down out of heaven." If these Jews knew his parents then they should have known what he claimed and that was to be God. But they did not have a clue
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Wow, word play, ha nice. If i adopted you that makes me ur father. Joseph wasnt gonna abandon Jesus, he stepped up.

And he (Jesus) said unto them (Joseph and Mary, his parents), "Why is it that you were looking for me? Did you not know that I had to be in MY FATHERS house?" And they DID NOT UNDERSTAND the statement which he had made to them." (Luke 2:49-50
THis is clearly refering to the sancuary he'd came from. Jesus frequently visited the church. And its not like mary and Joseph were hardcore christians, they didnt know what was up, they were just given a blessing, and they did what they could. The bible never says God immediately enlightened them and told them what was ment to happen.How ever Jesus new, he displayed being a man of God from a young age, not to mention he worked miracles at young age, this is why he stated he was at his fathers house, because he knew who his real father was. Mary and Joseph were just vessels.
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the bible says the sun stood still for a day,well the sun dosent move,the earth does,please explain mr. know it all.5a
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Would the world be better if all the bibles all over the plant were burned?

Affirmative.

No Christians, No Jews, No Moslems. The world at peace.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit




Question for you.

If I give you a loaded gun and you shoot someone...
Are you a murderer? Did the gun kill that person?
Or did your choice to pull the trigger kill that person?

In other words: the bible and religion doesn't kill people.
The accepted interpretations and delusions of a people DO.
If not religion: they'd kill for other reasons.
They'd hurt people for other reasons.

Religion is a scape goat and those who "believe" have
the RIGHT to do so: peacefully.


See, if religion and the bible had never existed...
There would NOT be world peace. Would you like to know why?

Ego, Selfishness, anger, bitterness, contempt and jealousy exist whether or not religion ever could/would have...

^^^ These attributes alone cause violence ^^^
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If the law requires an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth, how can a single man's life pay for the sins of billions?
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Ask God, why bother with a man?
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Because he's the son of God embodied in the flesh of man.
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My name is Tevin Boss. I am calling on all the disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ, to rise against the false apostles of the Atlantians, Galactic Federation, and Zietgist movement. These abominations shall rise in our departure. Real followers of Christ rise up and let the world hear hine voice! Have No fear, for thou who walks on faith and not by sight, shall be given the living word of God. May the Lord consume us and use us as vessels. In all ways acknowledge him, Let him be your light, and may it shine brilliantly.

Now, for all those who doubt the Lords will, and dwell within the darkness that is the world, Question me
 Quoting: EarningMyWings316


Has the bible ever fed the masses?
Has the bible ever cured a person?
Has the bible ever built a house for the homeless?
Has the bible ever brought a people together?
Has the bible ever saved another life of a human just before death?

No contorted answers, just yes and no and simple statement. kissup
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― Dr. Seuss, Oh, the Places You'll Go!

Make a regular practice of Miswak for verily it is the purification for the mouth and a means of the pleasure of the Lord. Wait! What?? Islam the oral jihads handbook pg 12.
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shove your bible up your ass op.

:jeebuscrust:
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This is not helpful to the cause of free minds. Put some real thought into your comments instead of hurling sophomoric insults. Unless, of course, you're merely a shill here to make the atheists and free thinkers look like mindless idiots.
If that's the case, you're doing an outstanding job.
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cruise

but im not an athiest, shows how much you know.

:unholybabble:
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Perhaps. My points remain valid nonetheless.
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Almost the entire Bible – from Genesis to Jude anyway – talks about freewill, our choice of whether we believe (have faith) that there is a God, the freewill to worship Him, the freewill to try and live a holy life. By the same rules, we also have the freewill to turn away from God, to mock Him, to spurn Him.

The Bible is textually pure, about 99%.
Beyond this, one cannot debunk what the Bible says, because in the end it boils down to belief(faith).

Either you believe it or you don't.
How can you say you believe it or not if you have not read it?
If you have not read it, then you are choosing to believe in your own ignorance.
 Quoting: KnowledgeForTruth



I've read the bible. I was once very devout.
I dare not think God "dumbed" down his omniscient intellect with the biblical writings so that our minds could comprehend his teachings to such a lesser extent than perhaps was realized.

While it is true that Religion has churned its own teachings via interpretation and/ (or make believe) I am aware of the great knowledge within the bible.

How a God can command genocide, telling a man to murder his only son (as a test) when he's supposed to be all knowing doesn't sit well with me. Sure, God could have known Abraham was going to kill his son anyway on that mountain but he needed proof? Or was this tale man made from inception? Many things don't make sense to me:

Alas...the nature of belief...It can be this way.
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God new he would do it because God knows all. Does this mean that Abraham didn't have to live through this test of faith? No. After this Abraham's faith was much stronger. And lets not forget that even if God allowed him to follow through Abraham was sending his son to a better place anyways, home.
 Quoting: KnowledgeForTruth




^^^ This is what we'd like to call "Your opinion."

It doesn't make it wrong, nor does it make it right.
See that? You can interpret and speak for God all you want.

Personally I'm so deep and spiritually enlightened and awake, following ALL of God's teachings yet I don't hear his voice, I don't feel his guidance.

It is NOT God's will as to what I choose to think, say or do...

It is MY will. See that?

I'd like to know what you pray for?
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Would the world be better if all the bibles all over the plant were burned?

Affirmative.

No Christians, No Jews, No Moslems. The world at peace.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit




Question for you.

If I give you a loaded gun and you shoot someone...
Are you a murderer? Did the gun kill that person?
Or did your choice to pull the trigger kill that person?

In other words: the bible and religion doesn't kill people.
The accepted interpretations and delusions of a people DO.
If not religion: they'd kill for other reasons.
They'd hurt people for other reasons.

Religion is a scape goat and those who "believe" have
the RIGHT to do so: peacefully.


See, if religion and the bible had never existed...
There would NOT be world peace. Would you like to know why?

Ego, Selfishness, anger, bitterness, contempt and jealousy exist whether or not religion ever could/would have...

^^^ These attributes alone cause violence ^^^
 Quoting: SelflessnHumble


Bible followers are not practicing a religion rather a relationship. The church is everybody in the body of Christ, not buildings and not the man made religion for the Word of God. Religion is a creation of Satan to segregate the children of Christ, in order to keep us arguing amongst ourselves and presenting beliefs rather than representing Christ.
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talking snake.
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This thread is going nowhere. The basic tenet of Christianity is Faith. If you have Faith in Jesus, nothing else matters. Believe or don't believe. It is left up to each person to make his own decision. The Bible is not going to tell you what to do. It is a history book.
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Re-iterate.
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SO - again - WHICH christian church is right?
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None. The church has been fowled since the ramsesII blood line has been rotting it inside out since before the crusades. THE BIBLE is the way the truth and the light!
 Quoting: EarningMyWings316


the bible has been altered many times,by said "church",how do YOU KNOW what the original book said? its like the game "telephone",subtitle changes over 2000 years amount to HUGE changes now

you could literally be sinning every time you read the bible and not even know it
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Well see thats the importance of having a relationship with God, he gives you discernment. Nevertheless, u cant discredit the entire book on ASSUMPTIONS of alterations.
Now there is proof of translation issues, but thts in simple word translations, in which result with the same general message. Unless you can proove otherwise?
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I want to see proof the Bible is more than just a bullshit book wrote for entertainment.
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First u must want to believe that it is more just as much as you think of it as bs.

For those individuals who have never come face to face with a supernatural wickedness then in these times where man has fooled thee, it would seem to be a false. However, if you are lucky enough to see the mask of satan removed then you are left with nothing less than the great hope that there is an Almighty God.
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Would the world be better if all the bibles all over the plant were burned?

Affirmative.

No Christians, No Jews, No Moslems. The world at peace.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit




Question for you.

If I give you a loaded gun and you shoot someone...
Are you a murderer? Did the gun kill that person?
Or did your choice to pull the trigger kill that person?

In other words: the bible and religion doesn't kill people.
The accepted interpretations and delusions of a people DO.
If not religion: they'd kill for other reasons.
They'd hurt people for other reasons.

Religion is a scape goat and those who "believe" have
the RIGHT to do so: peacefully.


See, if religion and the bible had never existed...
There would NOT be world peace. Would you like to know why?

Ego, Selfishness, anger, bitterness, contempt and jealousy exist whether or not religion ever could/would have...

^^^ These attributes alone cause violence ^^^
 Quoting: SelflessnHumble


Bible followers are not practicing a religion rather a relationship. The church is everybody in the body of Christ, not buildings and not the man made religion for the Word of God. Religion is a creation of Satan to segregate the children of Christ, in order to keep us arguing amongst ourselves and presenting beliefs rather than representing Christ.
 Quoting: KnowledgeForTruth



I know this, really I do.

The fact is: and get ready for a bombshell:

I don't need religion, nor the bible to do the right thing.

Can you tell me how it is possible for me to live a life
without lying, cheating, stealing, while being selfless, humble, giving and unconditional loving without being "saved" by God?

Is this what you'd call blasphemy?
I'm being 100% sincere and serious.
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It is a mediocre mind that becomes to attached to the knowledge.

Higher intelligence knows there is infinitely more to learn.
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My name is Tevin Boss. I am calling on all the disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ, to rise against the false apostles of the Atlantians, Galactic Federation, and Zietgist movement. These abominations shall rise in our departure. Real followers of Christ rise up and let the world hear hine voice! Have No fear, for thou who walks on faith and not by sight, shall be given the living word of God. May the Lord consume us and use us as vessels. In all ways acknowledge him, Let him be your light, and may it shine brilliantly.

Now, for all those who doubt the Lords will, and dwell within the darkness that is the world, Question me
 Quoting: EarningMyWings316



Amen! Rejoice For Heaven! (Thank you JESUS)

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Revelation 21:1,4
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SO - again - WHICH christian church is right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1047766


None. The church has been fowled since the ramsesII blood line has been rotting it inside out since before the crusades. THE BIBLE is the way the truth and the light!
 Quoting: EarningMyWings316


the bible has been altered many times,by said "church",how do YOU KNOW what the original book said? its like the game "telephone",subtitle changes over 2000 years amount to HUGE changes now

you could literally be sinning every time you read the bible and not even know it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1240618


Well see thats the importance of having a relationship with God, he gives you discernment. Nevertheless, u cant discredit the entire book on ASSUMPTIONS of alterations.
Now there is proof of translation issues, but thts in simple word translations, in which result with the same general message. Unless you can proove otherwise?
 Quoting: EarningMyWings316


What say you about "missing" books omitted from within the bible because they weren't conducive towards man's creation of religion?
"Don't Do unto others as they have done unto you...Instead show them love, patience understanding, and empathy regardless of how they have chosen to be, think and feel."
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It is a mediocre mind that becomes to attached to the knowledge.

Higher intelligence knows there is infinitely more to learn.
 Quoting: Blazen



Completely in agreement with that.
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