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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1300203 United States 03/20/2011 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just posted for a new thread: RED ALERT! More heavy fallout coming in three days!!!! It seems that the focus has been on the Fukushima reactors but no one has been talking about the other two reactors that the Stuxnet virus could have taken out. There is a marked rise at the Horiguchi Hitachi City reactor in Ibaraki today at 4:20 to a new high of 2569 ngy/h.: [link to www.bousai.ne.jp] Watch this real time as it now is going down again. Bear in mind that when these things explode, there are massive amounts of contamination going up into the jet stream and as it is also a faster then usual one because of other electromagnetic forces at work, it brings the fallout fast to the US in two to three days now. Regardless, there is serious leakage at these two other two reactors and EVERYONE should be watching these also. There is the Onagawa plant in the Miyagi prefecture, and the Horiguchi Hitachi City plant in the Ibaraki prefecture. Why the cover up? And, what no one is acknowledging is, after the explosion of the reactor last Sunday (3-13-11), the Plutonic fallout hit the west coast in about 2-3 days on the 15th and 16th heavily around Bakersfield and Fresno and on in to Vegas up to CO, and Billings MT path according to the records of the EPA web site. They knew it and did not report it. That was also the time we heard that obama/sotero was gathering up his crew and headed to South America. The heavy concentrations are still in SD, CO, NEB, And TX with an exceptionally hot area at Raleigh, NC: Fixed Monitor Location: NC: RALEIGH Measurement Start Date/Time: 03/20/2011 06:14:53 PM Measurement End Date/Time: 03/20/2011 07:15:01 PM Beta Gross Count Rate (CPM): 195310 IMHO, it is still prudence to prepare and hunker down. If everyone just stays home, maybe it will stop the machine of coldness that perpetuates these awful and deadly EVENTS and it will all get the proper attention it all deserves. Have a nice day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1198579 United States 03/20/2011 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | isent 1000ngy about 1 Millisievert, which is norting Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1290578Yes, 2000 nGy/h is small, but when it rises from 600 to 2900 in short order it is important. I bet they are doing this in the dead of night so it goes unnoticed. (it was 50nGy/h on he 13th march, but peaked back then to 5900 and fell back to 600, since then it rose to 2900 again) so lets see OP all the radiation is jumping all the other stations and only hitting this one they must be putting it in a bucket and driving 100's of miles so no one will notice what they are doing in the middle of the night 1 nano is 1,000,000 times smaller than a mirco which is 1,000,000 time smaller than 1 oh yea you are on to something !!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1301109 Norway 03/20/2011 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the levels at these cities have been going up and down. we have NO INFORMATION on the prefecture where the plant is located, they are not giving it and haven't been. you can look at the individuals cities and see how the levels have gone up today and now are starting to come back down. [link to translate.google.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1198579 United States 03/20/2011 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the levels at these cities have been going up and down. we have NO INFORMATION on the prefecture where the plant is located, they are not giving it and haven't been. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301109you can look at the individuals cities and see how the levels have gone up today and now are starting to come back down. [link to translate.google.com] yes nano would be a background rate |
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Physicist (OP) User ID: 1087618 United Kingdom 03/20/2011 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 nano is 1,000,000 times smaller than a mirco which is 1,000,000 time smaller than 1 Quoting: Iceoh yea you are on to something !!! No.. nano is 0.000000001 micro is 0.000001 milli is 0.001 so 2000 nGy/h is 2 microGy/h. Yes, small but WAY above background, and it rose in minutes. Last Edited by Physicist on 03/20/2011 05:55 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1140210 United States 03/20/2011 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1 nano is 1,000,000 times smaller than a mirco which is 1,000,000 time smaller than 1 Quoting: Iceoh yea you are on to something !!! No.. nano is 0.000000001 micro is 0.000001 milli is 0.001 so 2000 nGy/h is 2 microGy/h. Yes, small but WAY above background, and it rose in minutes. Hey, were you ever able to determine the type of radiation isotopes being released or what was hitting the U.S.?????????????????????? |
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Physicist (OP) User ID: 1087618 United Kingdom 03/20/2011 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, were you ever able to determine the type of radiation isotopes being released or what was hitting the U.S.?????????????????????? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1140210No! - but I'd love to. I think they guard the Gamma Energy Range 1-10 information precisely to fudge the information enough so we can't work it out. ++++Someone in the US can put in a freedom of information request to get the info?++++ I mean, from the EPA RADNET site, Gamma Energy Range 2 ... Gamma Energy Range 10 What are the energies? We can work out the isotopes if we have the exact energies! Last Edited by Physicist on 03/20/2011 06:12 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1286238 China 03/20/2011 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone posted this on "Q's" thread. Quoting: MadiganFinally, something that makes clear sense concerning "sieverts". [link to xkcd.com] that be me that posted that ;) oh really???? Nice to know i can be in 2 places at once |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1286238 China 03/20/2011 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone posted this on "Q's" thread. Quoting: MadiganFinally, something that makes clear sense concerning "sieverts". [link to xkcd.com] that be me that posted that ;) oh really???? Nice to know i can be in 2 places at once Thread: <Insert title> (Page 19) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1286238 China 03/20/2011 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1286238 or this to convert it on site [link to online.unitconverterpro.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1286238 China 03/20/2011 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is this in CPM? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1294656CPM is counts per minute. It is the number of atoms in a given quantity of radioactive material that are detected to have decayed in one minute. Dpm is similar to cpm, however the efficiency of the radiation detector (e.g. scintillation counter) must be accounted for when analysing data in cpm. Dpm is the number of atoms that have decayed, not the number of atoms that have been measured as decayed. Dpm is commonly used as a measure of radioactive contamination. to learn more check these [link to www.jlab.org] [link to www.hps.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1150479 United States 03/20/2011 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Going up again... 2569 Quoting: PhysicistPLEASE VOTE FOR PIN THIS IS HAPPENING NOW Could you give a chart or a comparison for laypeople, so we know what this means in terms of RAD or Millisievert? How deadly exactly are these readings. I understand that rising rapidly is bad, and in comparison to readings in other less affected towns, it's obviously serious...but something more tangible would help Thanks OP! [link to xkcd.com] |
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Physicist (OP) User ID: 1087618 United Kingdom 03/20/2011 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At what level does radiation kill a Human being? Quoting: Noble SavageI know the process is often slow but if its high enough, people could start dying within months. nanoGray = nGy and nano implies "times 0.000000001". milliSv = mGy** = 0.001 Gy. **mSv is the same as mGy for Gamma and Beta radiation. ================================================== An assortment of typical radiation doses (in mSv) ================================================== Used to destroy the bone marrow in preparation for a marrow transplant (given over several days) 10,000 (=10Sv) Approximate lethal dose ("LD50") if no treatment and given to the entire body in a short period 4,500 (=4.5Sv) Causes radiation sickness (when absorbed in a short period) >1,000 (=1Sv) Increase in lifetime dose to most heavily exposed people living near Chernobyl 430 (=0.430Sv) Average annual dose (excluding natural background) for medical X-ray technicians 3.2 (=0.0032Sv) Maximum permissible annual dose (excluding natural background and medical exposure) to general public 1.7 (=0.0017Sv) from [link to users.rcn.com] Last Edited by Physicist on 03/20/2011 07:09 PM |
Noble Savage User ID: 1196892 Canada 03/20/2011 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | At what level does radiation kill a Human being? Quoting: Noble SavageI know the process is often slow but if its high enough, people could start dying within months. nanoGray = nGy and nano implies "times 0.000000001". milliSv = mGy** = 0.001 Gy. **mSv is the same as mGy for Gamma and Beta radiation. ================================================== An assortment of typical radiation doses (in mSv) ================================================== Used to destroy the bone marrow in preparation for a marrow transplant (given over several days) 10,000 (=10Sv) Approximate lethal dose ("LD50") if no treatment and given to the entire body in a short period 4,500 (=4.5Sv) Causes radiation sickness (when absorbed in a short period) >1,000 (=1Sv) Increase in lifetime dose to most heavily exposed people living near Chernobyl 430 (=0.430Sv) Average annual dose (excluding natural background) for medical X-ray technicians 3.2 (=0.0032Sv) Maximum permissible annual dose (excluding natural background and medical exposure) to general public 1.7 (=0.0017Sv) Natural background, Boston, MA, USA (per year)(excluding radon) 1.02 Natural background, Denver, CO, USA (per year)(excluding radon) 1.8 Additional annual dose if you live in a brick rather than a wood house 0.07 Annual dose in some houses in Ramsar, Iran >130 Average dose to person living within 10 miles of Three-Mile Island (TMI) caused by the accident of 28 March 1979 0.08 Most heavily exposed person (a fisherman) near TMI <1.0 Approximate dose received by a person spending 1 year at the fence surrounding a nuclear power station 0.001–0.006 Average dose to each person in the U. S. population from nuclear power plants (per year) 0.00002 Received by the brain during a set of dental x rays 0.005 Received by the colon during a barium enema 3–15 Received by the lungs during a typical chest x ray 0.01 Received by each breast during a typical mammogram 2.8 Dose from a typical set of full-body computed tomography (CT) scans 45 When delivered in a single dose, increases the risk of developing cancer by 1% 100 Airline passenger crossing the U.S. 0.04 Flight crew and cabin attendants (per year) 2–3 Hourly dose to skin holding piece of the original "Fiesta Ware" (a brand of pottery) 2–3 Annual dose to each person in the U. S. population from fallout (former weapons testing plus Chernobyl) 0.0006 from [link to users.rcn.com] Thanks |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1260299 Sweden 03/20/2011 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Weren't they going to release more gas today from #3? Quoting: The ChefMaybe that is the cause? no, they decided to not release gas from Unit 3 [link to www3.nhk.or.jp] because workers are spraying water overnight (till 3am or 4am Japan time, on it "Firefighters resume hosing No.3 reactor The Tokyo Fire Department resumed high-pressure hosing of the Number 3 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant at 9:30 PM on Sunday. The operation is expected to continue for about 6 hours. Water was discharged into the facility's spent fuel-rod pool for 13-and-a-half hours until 3:40 AM on Sunday. Sunday, March 20, 2011 20:48 +0900 (JST)" [link to www3.nhk.or.jp] ----------------------------------------------------- can't release plutonium steam kettle with water-spraying workers around |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1301841 Australia 03/20/2011 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GRAY AND SIEVERT They use gray to measure how much radiation is coming from a radiation source. It's like you could use miles-per-hour to measure how fast a baseball bat is swinging. They use sievert to measure how much radiation dose a person has absorbed. So it's sort of like gray, except this is specifically radiation which has gone into somebody. This is like measuring how much it hurts when a baseball bat hits somebody. "The unit gray measures absorbed radiation which is absorbed into any material. The unit sievert specifically measures absorbed radiation which is absorbed by a person." [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1292523 United States 03/20/2011 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With the uGy and nGy and mGy and mSv and nSv and uSv and rad and mRad and rem and mrem, they can keep us spinning for days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211743this helps a lot... just select dose equivalent and choose your conversion from --> to [link to www.radprocalculator.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1280804 United States 03/20/2011 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feel free to make a separate thread on this, but did you see this UC Berkley report? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12808043/19 (10:34am): Rain fall from 3/17-2pm to 3/18-12:15pm. Preliminary results show trace amounts of radioactive iodine (I131, I132), cesium (Cs137, Cs134), and tellurium (Te132) which are not naturally occurring elements and are assumed to originate from the Fukushima nuclear site. In context, we also see Be-7 (cosmogenically produced) and Pb-212 (radon daughter) which are naturally occurring isotopes that also show up normally in rain water. Preliminary analysis show levels remain well below that which would cause health effects. We are currently awaiting better calibration of our detector system to publish amounts. [link to www.nuc.berkeley.edu] Follow-up: Today's report released. The good news from UC Berkeley is that rainwater tested in California has a small amount of radioactive particles in it. The bad news is that it is definitely from the Fukushima site and that it is here at all. I'm sure more is on the way. 3/20 (4:15pm): Rain water results show trace levels of radioactive iodine (I131,I132), cesium (Cs134, Cs137), and tellurium (Te132). The amounts show that the activity we are observing originated from one of the three operating reactors that was shut down since I-131 and Te132 half-lives are less than 10 days and the spent fuel from unit 4 has been not operating for > 130 days. The calculated exposure to the public is so low that the consuming of ~500 liters of this water would only increase dose by the same amount received by taking a cross-country airplane flight. [link to www.nuc.berkeley.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1294656 United States 03/20/2011 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Feel free to make a separate thread on this, but did you see this UC Berkley report? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12808043/19 (10:34am): Rain fall from 3/17-2pm to 3/18-12:15pm. Preliminary results show trace amounts of radioactive iodine (I131, I132), cesium (Cs137, Cs134), and tellurium (Te132) which are not naturally occurring elements and are assumed to originate from the Fukushima nuclear site. In context, we also see Be-7 (cosmogenically produced) and Pb-212 (radon daughter) which are naturally occurring isotopes that also show up normally in rain water. Preliminary analysis show levels remain well below that which would cause health effects. We are currently awaiting better calibration of our detector system to publish amounts. [link to www.nuc.berkeley.edu] Follow-up: Today's report released. The good news from UC Berkeley is that rainwater tested in California has a small amount of radioactive particles in it. The bad news is that it is definitely from the Fukushima site and that it is here at all. I'm sure more is on the way. 3/20 (4:15pm): Rain water results show trace levels of radioactive iodine (I131,I132), cesium (Cs134, Cs137), and tellurium (Te132). The amounts show that the activity we are observing originated from one of the three operating reactors that was shut down since I-131 and Te132 half-lives are less than 10 days and the spent fuel from unit 4 has been not operating for > 130 days. The calculated exposure to the public is so low that the consuming of ~500 liters of this water would only increase dose by the same amount received by taking a cross-country airplane flight. [link to www.nuc.berkeley.edu] "The calculated exposure to the public is so low that the consuming of ~500 liters of this water would only increase dose by the same amount received by taking a cross-country airplane flight." EVEN WHEN YOU FUCKING DRINK IT AND IT STAYS IN YOUR BODY FOR LIFE? |