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Biblical Doom: Revelation unfolded.
Check this out. Go to youtube if you want to watch more after. I suspect you will.
Warning: This may change the way you read Revelation forever. Well researched. Check the claims for yourself as you go through if you want to be thorough. I do not agree with all his theology, but that is only a side issue to me.

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I don't think this video is getting the attention it deserves. It will certainly make you think if you follow the videos through.
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going to watch it now...thanks
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If your interested there is a couple of videos that come before this one. They are a good start, but I thought it best to start from a more interesting point.
I know a lot of people find researching claims boring and taxing, but it is best to do, after all how many people follow the wrong path through lack of research and trusting someone that hasn't researched/ studied for themselves. I haven't fully gone through it all in terms of checking claims, but I think it's best just in case. After all, we are seekers of truth, and we also want to be tellers of truth.
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Another Atheist I'm guessing. Thanks for the bump!
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Well done op thanks for posting this very interesting indeed!

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Well done op thanks for posting this very interesting indeed!

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Yes, it's a way of interpretation that is mostly lost to us. But of course as shown in the video was clearly understood by Joseph's family all thoughs years ago.
It gets much more interesting when you see the link to our history, not that everything is history. The majority is based on history, but as were near the end we see that there is not much less to be fulfilled.
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Well done op thanks for posting this very interesting indeed!

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Yes, it's a way of interpretation that is mostly lost to us. But of course as shown in the video was clearly understood by Joseph's family all thoughs years ago.
It gets much more interesting when you see the link to our history, not that everything is history. The majority is based on history, but as were near the end we see that there is not much less to be fulfilled.
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Thats right we tend to think oh the seals get opened then they finish when the next seal is opened but in reality the seals are openened and stay opened and when they were opened back then the effects are ongoing until Jesus comes back.
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Most people believe in Futurism as the way to translate or shall I say interpret Revelation. Futurism is based on the perspective of the person reading it and placing it specifically all into their future or in this case present. I believe we are in bad times as prophecy, but I believe we are near the end of Revelation now. I reckon near the fall of Babylon the Great. I recommend checking out Historicism, it works using the law of first mention. The law of first mention dictates that you use words such as hail in the context YHWH first used it in prophecy. So say hail was originally used to mean attack from an army you'd use it in the same context in Revelation. Suddenly your able to match it up with history flowing from then until now. My explanation was not to good, but gives an idea of how it works. You'll be amazed by it's match to history, the dates go perfectly including the 1260days, which prophetically is years. Now try matching that number of years to history (to the day I believe) and you'll see how it's significant to Christianity.
Check this video out as a taster, there is plenty more on his channel taking you right through revelation (history). I don't agree 100% on a couple of bits but it very well researched. Don't think that all the horrendous things that have happened in our dark history were simply not mentioned. If YHWH would warn our generation of things to come he'd also warn what was to come for them. Futurism's mistake mistake is that it's all based on me, my time.
May you be a blessing to YHWH.
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Most people believe in Futurism as the way to translate or shall I say interpret Revelation. Futurism is based on the perspective of the person reading it and placing it specifically all into their future or in this case present. I believe we are in bad times as prophecy, but I believe we are near the end of Revelation now. I reckon near the fall of Babylon the Great. I recommend checking out Historicism, it works using the law of first mention. The law of first mention dictates that you use words such as hail in the context YHWH first used it in prophecy. So say hail was originally used to mean attack from an army you'd use it in the same context in Revelation. Suddenly your able to match it up with history flowing from then until now. My explanation was not to good, but gives an idea of how it works. You'll be amazed by it's match to history, the dates go perfectly including the 1260days, which prophetically is years. Now try matching that number of years to history (to the day I believe) and you'll see how it's significant to Christianity.
Check this video out as a taster, there is plenty more on his channel taking you right through revelation (history). I don't agree 100% on a couple of bits but it very well researched. Don't think that all the horrendous things that have happened in our dark history were simply not mentioned. If YHWH would warn our generation of things to come he'd also warn what was to come for them. Futurism's mistake mistake is that it's all based on me, my time.
May you be a blessing to YHWH.
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Thanks op can you just explain the 1260 days thing to me a bit more? So its years how long has it been now?

Im with you we r at the end now I've known and felt it for some time now but couldn't explain why i felt this way. I have had several dreams that the lord has given me that have come true and last night I had another vision I was standing on the ground and saw the ground crakc in half and the halfs were rubbing against eachother and one half went on top of the other half then cracked again and then I saw lava force its way out of the crack and spew ash into the air. It was strange I didnt see a volcano I saw it come out of the crack in the earth. Dont know where or when but I think it's going to happen soon.
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Check this out. Go to youtube if you want to watch more after. I suspect you will.
Warning: This may change the way you read Revelation forever. Well researched. Check the claims for yourself as you go through if you want to be thorough. I do not agree with all his theology, but that is only a side issue to me.


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Completely wrong about the rider of the white horse.

Not much point in continuing with the videos when he is profoundly wrong in the very first one.
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If anyone wants to read the scriptures in their own language see holybiblefoundation.org. They have bibles in dozens of languages for free download.
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Check this out. Go to youtube if you want to watch more after. I suspect you will.
Warning: This may change the way you read Revelation forever. Well researched. Check the claims for yourself as you go through if you want to be thorough. I do not agree with all his theology, but that is only a side issue to me.


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Completely wrong about the rider of the white horse.

Not much point in continuing with the videos when he is profoundly wrong in the very first one.
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Please explain why it's wrong. I have heard people disagree but then don't have a reason, which leads me to suspect that it interferes with what they want to believe. Often denial. I am however not making this an accusation as I have no solid ground to. If this video is wrong please explain because I would rather know where the errors are. Like I have said previously, I don't agree with some minor details. That doesn't make Historism wrong, it just means they may have tried to put a piece of the puzzle in the wrong place.
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Check this out. Go to youtube if you want to watch more after. I suspect you will.
Warning: This may change the way you read Revelation forever. Well researched. Check the claims for yourself as you go through if you want to be thorough. I do not agree with all his theology, but that is only a side issue to me.


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Completely wrong about the rider of the white horse.

Not much point in continuing with the videos when he is profoundly wrong in the very first one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1283085


Please explain why it's wrong. I have heard people disagree but then don't have a reason, which leads me to suspect that it interferes with what they want to believe. Often denial. I am however not making this an accusation as I have no solid ground to. If this video is wrong please explain because I would rather know where the errors are. Like I have said previously, I don't agree with some minor details. That doesn't make Historism wrong, it just means they may have tried to put a piece of the puzzle in the wrong place.
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I cannot go into a full explanation now; I will try to do so later when I am home if you want. However, I will simply point out the error. This will be a very rough and poorly worded explanation because I am limited on time...

The Book of Revelation is a revelation of Jesus Christ, it tells of the state of the church from various viewpoints from the time of Christ until the end of the world. For example, the letters to the seven churches represent the seven spiritual stages that the church will go through; we are currently in the time of the seventh and final church (the Laodicean age).

The 'four horsemen' tell of the four stages the church goes through from a conflict point-of-view.

The narrator of the video correctly points out that the rider of the white horse is not Jesus Christ, this is correct. However, he takes that and goes in completely the opposite direction, which is not supported by scripture. The Bible is not deceptive or confusing in the use of symbolism; in fact, the Bible is perfectly consistent with prophetic symbolism. White is the color of purity and righteousness, it is the color of the faithful.

Now, understanding that the four horsemen represent the church from the time of Jesus until His return, it then becomes easy to see what the riders represent by the events of the church...

The first horse, the white horse, is ridden by The Holy Spirit. The crown on his head symbolizes that he rides as the representative of Jesus Christ. The bow in his hand is used to pierce the hearts of men with the Word of God and of His Christ.

The 'going forth conquering and to conquer' refers to the amazing growth of Christianity in the early years after the death of Christ. The Holy Spirit rode armed with arrows of God and through the power of God established the church of Christ on Earth.

The second horseman, on the red horse, represents the attack and persecution of the church. This is the beginning of Satan making war on the church (as detailed in Revelation). This was spearheaded by the false Christian church of Rome.
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Thanks op can you just explain the 1260 days thing to me a bit more? So its years how long has it been now?

Im with you we r at the end now I've known and felt it for some time now but couldn't explain why i felt this way. I have had several dreams that the lord has given me that have come true and last night I had another vision I was standing on the ground and saw the ground crakc in half and the halfs were rubbing against eachother and one half went on top of the other half then cracked again and then I saw lava force its way out of the crack and spew ash into the air. It was strange I didnt see a volcano I saw it come out of the crack in the earth. Dont know where or when but I think it's going to happen soon.
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Sorry I must get some sleep soon and haven't seen it for quite some time so I'm rusty on the info now. A quick search gave me these links on subject
[link to biblelight.net]
[link to jlfoundation.net]
And to even it out a bit, here is one that opposes it (it's anti-Adventist, not that I am Adventist.)
[link to www.tithing-russkelly.com]

Which dreams have come true? I once woke up and just had a knowing something. Not end time related, but really amazed me. I was so confident is was from YHWH that I got to typing it up. I've not had that before or since. Dreams I get stumped on, I barely ever understand their significance.
Thanks for the dream, I'll keep that in mind for future.
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Another Atheist I'm guessing. Thanks for the bump!
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I don't believe this version of events and I wish I didn't have to bump this to ask but what do those letters stand for lol XD
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Thanks op can you just explain the 1260 days thing to me a bit more? So its years how long has it been now?

Im with you we r at the end now I've known and felt it for some time now but couldn't explain why i felt this way. I have had several dreams that the lord has given me that have come true and last night I had another vision I was standing on the ground and saw the ground crakc in half and the halfs were rubbing against eachother and one half went on top of the other half then cracked again and then I saw lava force its way out of the crack and spew ash into the air. It was strange I didnt see a volcano I saw it come out of the crack in the earth. Dont know where or when but I think it's going to happen soon.
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Sorry I must get some sleep soon and haven't seen it for quite some time so I'm rusty on the info now. A quick search gave me these links on subject
[link to biblelight.net]
[link to jlfoundation.net]
And to even it out a bit, here is one that opposes it (it's anti-Adventist, not that I am Adventist.)
[link to www.tithing-russkelly.com]

Which dreams have come true? I once woke up and just had a knowing something. Not end time related, but really amazed me. I was so confident is was from YHWH that I got to typing it up. I've not had that before or since. Dreams I get stumped on, I barely ever understand their significance.
Thanks for the dream, I'll keep that in mind for future.
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The most recent one I had that came true was about my mother whom i havent spoken to for quite some time. I saw her home and several places in her neighbourood i have never been to her home she lives in another country to me i have no idea what her town looks like. I told her of 2 ppl who god wants her to help and told her what she has been saying in her heart. an angel showed me al lthis and i told her and she was shocked it was all true and there was no way that i would have ever known or even attempted to guess it was a long dream a very detailed dream and everything i said and every detail i mentioned was 100% correct and as i said there is no way that i would have known all of this.

I also drempt of the floods her ein australia too befoer it happened tho im not sure why i saw what i saw before it happened its not liek i could do anything about it. so yea dreams can be confusing but using the holy spirit you cna usually tell the ones which come form yr mind or come from him. personally the ones from him I always wake up in my dream. Im consious and everytime i always say where am i i thought i was alseep and when i wake up i feel liek it actually happened i can remember vividly.

He is coming soon i know that for sure we must out on the whole armour of god because there is much darkness coming to our western societys very very soon. And only when we have faith and love and christ will we be protected.
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Check this out. Go to youtube if you want to watch more after. I suspect you will.
Warning: This may change the way you read Revelation forever. Well researched. Check the claims for yourself as you go through if you want to be thorough. I do not agree with all his theology, but that is only a side issue to me.


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Completely wrong about the rider of the white horse.

Not much point in continuing with the videos when he is profoundly wrong in the very first one.
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Please explain why it's wrong. I have heard people disagree but then don't have a reason, which leads me to suspect that it interferes with what they want to believe. Often denial. I am however not making this an accusation as I have no solid ground to. If this video is wrong please explain because I would rather know where the errors are. Like I have said previously, I don't agree with some minor details. That doesn't make Historism wrong, it just means they may have tried to put a piece of the puzzle in the wrong place.
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I cannot go into a full explanation now; I will try to do so later when I am home if you want. However, I will simply point out the error. This will be a very rough and poorly worded explanation because I am limited on time...

The Book of Revelation is a revelation of Jesus Christ, it tells of the state of the church from various viewpoints from the time of Christ until the end of the world. For example, the letters to the seven churches represent the seven spiritual stages that the church will go through; we are currently in the time of the seventh and final church (the Laodicean age).

The 'four horsemen' tell of the four stages the church goes through from a conflict point-of-view.

The narrator of the video correctly points out that the rider of the white horse is not Jesus Christ, this is correct. However, he takes that and goes in completely the opposite direction, which is not supported by scripture. The Bible is not deceptive or confusing in the use of symbolism; in fact, the Bible is perfectly consistent with prophetic symbolism. White is the color of purity and righteousness, it is the color of the faithful.

Now, understanding that the four horsemen represent the church from the time of Jesus until His return, it then becomes easy to see what the riders represent by the events of the church...

The first horse, the white horse, is ridden by The Holy Spirit. The crown on his head symbolizes that he rides as the representative of Jesus Christ. The bow in his hand is used to pierce the hearts of men with the Word of God and of His Christ.

The 'going forth conquering and to conquer' refers to the amazing growth of Christianity in the early years after the death of Christ. The Holy Spirit rode armed with arrows of God and through the power of God established the church of Christ on Earth.

The second horseman, on the red horse, represents the attack and persecution of the church. This is the beginning of Satan making war on the church (as detailed in Revelation). This was spearheaded by the false Christian church of Rome.
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Ok, thanks for that. I would be very interested to hear as much as you have on this. I then will try and weigh it up with scripture of course. Do you follow Revelation through in order to see the events unfold in history?
I have heard so so many views on revelation, but Historicism is the only one that really makes sense although I was a strong Futurist when I knew no other way. I have learnt that I make mistakes so many times that I value them being pointed out as it always brings me closer to the truth, even if slight. So far on what you have said I'd say it fits, but I don't think it disproves the video. However if you have model that makes that one look ropey by comparison I'd gladly take it serious.
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The seals were fulfilled long ago.
[link to www.bibleortraditions.com]

Most know we're in the 6th vial of Revelation 16, the three unclean frog-spirits preparing the world for Armageddon, the return of Christ Jesus.
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Another Atheist I'm guessing. Thanks for the bump!
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I don't believe this version of events and I wish I didn't have to bump this to ask but what do those letters stand for lol XD
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Fair enough, I don't expect everyone to believe. I also don't agree with every part of the videos as said. I do believe Revelation is now mainly history, and I do think a fair amount could be correct as it seems to match so perfectly. This is not the best video, but it'd be odd to start too far in.
Oh, don't worry about the letters, didn't need them. I was gonna use them as an anti-troll device if he turned out to be a troll.
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Another Atheist I'm guessing. Thanks for the bump!
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I don't believe this version of events and I wish I didn't have to bump this to ask but what do those letters stand for lol XD
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Fair enough, I don't expect everyone to believe. I also don't agree with every part of the videos as said. I do believe Revelation is now mainly history, and I do think a fair amount could be correct as it seems to match so perfectly. This is not the best video, but it'd be odd to start too far in.
Oh, don't worry about the letters, didn't need them. I was gonna use them as an anti-troll device if he turned out to be a troll.
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aww I was hoping it was clever code that stood for something funny :P
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The seals were fulfilled long ago.
[link to www.bibleortraditions.com]

Most know we're in the 6th vial of Revelation 16, the three unclean frog-spirits preparing the world for Armageddon, the return of Christ Jesus.
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I had a sign the other day I woke up at 3am thought someone was in the house I found a large green frog in my house not sure how he got in all the window and doors were closed the only way he could have gotten in if he squeezed his fat bodt through a small gap in the window.

ANyways i got him out and i had this thought in my heart it said the plague of frogs is coming. The I thought of the verse in revelation. I thought to myself I wonder if that thought came form ym mind or from God but now im starting to think it wasnt just some random thing happening and it was a sign.
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The most recent one I had that came true was about my mother whom i havent spoken to for quite some time. I saw her home and several places in her neighbourood i have never been to her home she lives in another country to me i have no idea what her town looks like. I told her of 2 ppl who god wants her to help and told her what she has been saying in her heart. an angel showed me al lthis and i told her and she was shocked it was all true and there was no way that i would have ever known or even attempted to guess it was a long dream a very detailed dream and everything i said and every detail i mentioned was 100% correct and as i said there is no way that i would have known all of this.

I also drempt of the floods her ein australia too befoer it happened tho im not sure why i saw what i saw before it happened its not liek i could do anything about it. so yea dreams can be confusing but using the holy spirit you cna usually tell the ones which come form yr mind or come from him. personally the ones from him I always wake up in my dream. Im consious and everytime i always say where am i i thought i was alseep and when i wake up i feel liek it actually happened i can remember vividly.

He is coming soon i know that for sure we must out on the whole armour of god because there is much darkness coming to our western societys very very soon. And only when we have faith and love and christ will we be protected.
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Fascinating stuff. I think that prophecy is often there to confirm or bolster faith. It really shows the power of YHWH.

I believe it'll happen in an unexpected way to most people and catch them off guard. I believe that people need to seek the scripture more, I think most Christians are in the dark about a lot of issues. Not stuff I have time for now because I'm late to bed and have work early.
It would be great to chat again. Will check back tomorrow, feel free to add.
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aww I was hoping it was clever code that stood for something funny :P
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It kind of is. It ends in troll. I done it because I was guessing his/her response based on what a troll would say.
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Good night.
Honesty makes a world of difference in a world where lies are prevalent.

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Check this out. Go to youtube if you want to watch more after. I suspect you will.
Warning: This may change the way you read Revelation forever. Well researched. Check the claims for yourself as you go through if you want to be thorough. I do not agree with all his theology, but that is only a side issue to me.


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Completely wrong about the rider of the white horse.

Not much point in continuing with the videos when he is profoundly wrong in the very first one.
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Please explain why it's wrong. I have heard people disagree but then don't have a reason, which leads me to suspect that it interferes with what they want to believe. Often denial. I am however not making this an accusation as I have no solid ground to. If this video is wrong please explain because I would rather know where the errors are. Like I have said previously, I don't agree with some minor details. That doesn't make Historism wrong, it just means they may have tried to put a piece of the puzzle in the wrong place.
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I cannot go into a full explanation now; I will try to do so later when I am home if you want. However, I will simply point out the error. This will be a very rough and poorly worded explanation because I am limited on time...

The Book of Revelation is a revelation of Jesus Christ, it tells of the state of the church from various viewpoints from the time of Christ until the end of the world. For example, the letters to the seven churches represent the seven spiritual stages that the church will go through; we are currently in the time of the seventh and final church (the Laodicean age).

The 'four horsemen' tell of the four stages the church goes through from a conflict point-of-view.

The narrator of the video correctly points out that the rider of the white horse is not Jesus Christ, this is correct. However, he takes that and goes in completely the opposite direction, which is not supported by scripture. The Bible is not deceptive or confusing in the use of symbolism; in fact, the Bible is perfectly consistent with prophetic symbolism. White is the color of purity and righteousness, it is the color of the faithful.

Now, understanding that the four horsemen represent the church from the time of Jesus until His return, it then becomes easy to see what the riders represent by the events of the church...

The first horse, the white horse, is ridden by The Holy Spirit. The crown on his head symbolizes that he rides as the representative of Jesus Christ. The bow in his hand is used to pierce the hearts of men with the Word of God and of His Christ.

The 'going forth conquering and to conquer' refers to the amazing growth of Christianity in the early years after the death of Christ. The Holy Spirit rode armed with arrows of God and through the power of God established the church of Christ on Earth.

The second horseman, on the red horse, represents the attack and persecution of the church. This is the beginning of Satan making war on the church (as detailed in Revelation). This was spearheaded by the false Christian church of Rome.
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you are artfully forgetting that when the false christ comes at the 6th trumpet, that being antichrist or wanna be christ... he will be decked out AS christ with all the bells and whistles. obviously since he is going to deceive all but the Elect that means the body of Christ on earth will fall into his deception like taking candy from a baby, sadly. clearly it states that antichrist appears at the 6th trump and the true Christ doesn't appear until the 7th. If you have 7 fingers you can clearly see which comes first, regardless of the colors of the horses.
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Re: Biblical Doom: Revelation unfolded.
OP, I'v watched all these thru this one.

The guy views Rev. entirely as HISTORY.

IT IS BOTH HISTORIC AND FUTURISTIC.

The 6th seal is LITERAL, not figurative as he states here.

My point is that he swings to the other extreme of Historicism. He's right about the 1st thru 5th seals starting when Jesus returned to heaven, while Rome was in power. But the mistake he is making is he tries to keep them all in the Roman time frame. The 2nd seal includes war from then all the way until now. The 3rd seal includes famine from then until now, Example: oil/wine =rich countries while Africa/Ethiopia ect starve. The same with the 4th @ 5th seals.

There have been more martyrs in this century than all previous according to Voice of the Martyrs.

We are just about to enter the 6th seal. You better believe its literal! Just like the literal quakes that have been leading up to it in the past few days.

God Bless You as you study his word.rose













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