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########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!

 
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########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!
URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: IAEA
VIENNA, March 22, Kyodo

Radiation 1,600 times higher than normal levels has been detected in an area about 20 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, International Atomic Energy Agency officials said Monday.

Data collected by an IAEA team show that radiation levels of 161 microsievert per hour have been detected in the town of Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, the officials said.

The government has set an exclusion zone covering areas within a 20-km radius of the plant and has urged people within 20 to 30 km to stay indoors.

==Kyodo

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]

Ummm, fellow doomers, you do realize that 161 mS per hour translates to 4.5 sieverts per day, right?

That means that the poor slobs within the "stay home and die like a good Japanese" folks within the 20 -30km zone are getting nice and toasty.....

From wikipedia.

Symptom benchmarksSymptoms of acute radiation (within one day):[16]

0 – 0.25 Sv (0 – 250 mSv): None
0.25 – 1 Sv (250 – 1000 mSv): Some people feel nausea and loss of appetite; bone marrow, lymph nodes, spleen damaged.
1 – 3 Sv (1000 – 3000 mSv): Mild to severe nausea, loss of appetite, infection; more severe bone marrow, lymph node, spleen damage; recovery probable, not assured.
3 – 6 Sv (3000 – 6000 mSv): Severe nausea, loss of appetite; hemorrhaging, infection, diarrhea, peeling of skin, sterility; death if untreated.6 – 10 Sv (6000 – 10000 mSv): Above symptoms plus central nervous system impairment; death expected.
Above 10 Sv (10000 mSv): Incapacitation and death.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I agree with you, BSflagger. In reality, it's probably much, much higher!
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There's three threads about this, but only this one has the analysis correct!
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Quite horrifically... true.
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URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: IAEA
VIENNA, March 22, Kyodo

Radiation 1,600 times higher than normal levels has been detected in an area about 20 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, International Atomic Energy Agency officials said Monday.

Data collected by an IAEA team show that radiation levels of 161 microsievert per hour have been detected in the town of Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, the officials said.

The government has set an exclusion zone covering areas within a 20-km radius of the plant and has urged people within 20 to 30 km to stay indoors.

==Kyodo

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]

Ummm, fellow doomers, you do realize that 161 mS per hour translates to 4.5 sieverts per day, right?
 Quoting: Sucks to be Japanese 1145258


Here's an idea for you. Go and re-read how much radiation there is. Then, study carefully the difference between MILLI and MICRO. After that, do your calculations again.
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There's three threads about this, but only this one has the analysis correct!
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No, that's wrong. You are out by 1,000.
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URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: IAEA
VIENNA, March 22, Kyodo

Radiation 1,600 times higher than normal levels has been detected in an area about 20 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, International Atomic Energy Agency officials said Monday.

Data collected by an IAEA team show that radiation levels of 161 microsievert per hour have been detected in the town of Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, the officials said.

The government has set an exclusion zone covering areas within a 20-km radius of the plant and has urged people within 20 to 30 km to stay indoors.

==Kyodo

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]

Ummm, fellow doomers, you do realize that 161 mS per hour translates to 4.5 sieverts per day, right?
 Quoting: Sucks to be Japanese 1145258


Here's an idea for you. Go and re-read how much radiation there is. Then, study carefully the difference between MILLI and MICRO. After that, do your calculations again.
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URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: IAEA
VIENNA, March 22, Kyodo

Radiation 1,600 times higher than normal levels has been detected in an area about 20 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, International Atomic Energy Agency officials said Monday.

Data collected by an IAEA team show that radiation levels of 161 microsievert per hour have been detected in the town of Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, the officials said.

The government has set an exclusion zone covering areas within a 20-km radius of the plant and has urged people within 20 to 30 km to stay indoors.

==Kyodo

[link to english.kyodonews.jp]
Ummm, fellow doomers, you do realize that 161 mS per hour translates to 4.5 sieverts per day, right?
 Quoting: Sucks to be Japanese 1145258


Here's an idea for you. Go and re-read how much radiation there is. Then, study carefully the difference between MILLI and MICRO. After that, do your calculations again.
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youre saying your more up on this than IAEA officials , not 1600, times above normal?
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Benjamin Fulford is getting ready to start breeding Mutant Ninjas.
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Hey, how do you know that they didn't mean milli and not micro?

They've been mixing up milli and micro all week long!
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This thread really should be deleted. It will take you at least 2-3 years to die at these levels.
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Hey, how do you know that they didn't mean milli and not micro?

They've been mixing up milli and micro all week long!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145258


Because some of us passed chemistry some time ago and remember the greek symbols.
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Re: ########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!
Frequently used SI multiples are the

millisievert (1 mSv = 10−3 Sv = 0.001 Sv)

and

microsievert (1 μSv = 10−6 Sv = 0.000001 Sv).

I am sure that the report said mSV and not uSv and the reporter just "made a mistake" and said microsievert because he didn't have a u symbol on his keyboard, just like me!
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Frequently used SI multiples are the

millisievert (1 mSv = 10−3 Sv = 0.001 Sv)

and

microsievert (1 μSv = 10−6 Sv = 0.000001 Sv).

I am sure that the report said mSV and not uSv and the reporter just "made a mistake" and said microsievert because he didn't have a u symbol on his keyboard, just like me!
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Data collected by an IAEA team show that radiation levels of 161 microsievert per hour have been detected in the town of Namie, Fukushima Prefecture, the officials said.

Ummm, fellow doomers, you do realize that 161 mS per hour translates to 4.5 sieverts per day, right?
 Quoting: Sucks to be Japanese 1145258


Here's an idea for you. Go and re-read how much radiation there is. Then, study carefully the difference between MILLI and MICRO. After that, do your calculations again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307966


youre saying your more up on this than IAEA officials , not 1600, times above normal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307942


No. I'm saying that the report is radiation of 161 microsievert per hour, not 161 millisievert per hour. That is a factor of 1,000 times different.
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I am sure that the report said mSV and not uSv and the reporter just "made a mistake" and said microsievert because he didn't have a u symbol on his keyboard, just like me!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145258



So how did you type in all those "u"s if you don't have a u on your keyboard??? MAGIC??????
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This thread really should be deleted. It will take you at least 2-3 years to die at these levels.
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Like that matters?
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Re: ########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!
OP let's try a sanity check on your calculations. The radiation is 1600 times normal, right? And you calculate that will kill people in 37 hours. That means that normal radiation levels wouldn't kill people for 1600 * 37 hours = 6.75 years.

Now in your experience, does everybody on the planet die of radiation poisoning in less than 7 years?
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Re: ########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!
However, in reality, one has to ask oneself just where exactly are all these gama rays coming from, hummmm?

They aren't just appearing out of no where, are they!

No, they are coming from Particles!

Such as

radioactive Iodine
Radioactive Cesium
Radioactive Uranium
Radioactive Plutonium
Radioactive Xenon

etc and etc,

And all it take is for you to inhale or ingest just one paticle, and in a few years you WILL get cancer!

Guaranteed Death Dose!

GLP right again!
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OP let's try a sanity check on your calculations. The radiation is 1600 times normal, right? And you calculate that will kill people in 37 hours. That means that normal radiation levels wouldn't kill people for 1600 * 37 hours = 6.75 years.

Now in your experience, does everybody on the planet die of radiation poisoning in less than 7 years?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307966


Ahhhhhh

Logic!


Noooooooooo.

Logic on GLP is a bannable offense!


Ban him!


Ban him!


Ban the logical one!


Emotion must arise to smite the logical!
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mSv is not the abbreviation for microsievert.... thats for milli

Last Edited by mjrichardson1975 on 03/21/2011 10:25 PM
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even the doubters cannot follow the twisted logic of the doomer!


I give up.
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even the doubters cannot follow the twisted logic of the doomer!


I give up.
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just kidding
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OP let's try a sanity check on your calculations. The radiation is 1600 times normal, right? And you calculate that will kill people in 37 hours. That means that normal radiation levels wouldn't kill people for 1600 * 37 hours = 6.75 years.

Now in your experience, does everybody on the planet die of radiation poisoning in less than 7 years?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1307966


Ahhhhhh

Logic!


Noooooooooo.

Logic on GLP is a bannable offense!


Ban him!


Ban him!


Ban the logical one!


Emotion must arise to smite the logical!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145258


Pwnage by the Aussie. OP responded with a funny reply that had a great, uplifting tone. Kudos to both parties :)
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Re: ########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!
I'm in direct contact to a guy that works in a UN-Team that collects data of radiation worldwide. He did that long before the Fukushima thing. For that reason my informations are better than the things I read in the media.

The correct value is 161 Microsievert per hour.

The values were collected with 16 detectors. Every detector was checked two times from members of the IAEA. The value is an average of all values.

I'm not sure if you are aware that this is really bad. Radiation alone is relatively harmless - nearly everything blocks it. Contaminated air is not good, but harmless too, because it spreads very fast, caused by radiation pressure. But when it comes to radioactive substances, or to be precise, to isotopes, we are talking about a lot of trouble.

This level of radiation only could mean two thing and both are bad:

1. It is contaminated air. If this is the case, Fukushima 1 must be a radiation hell. In this case the next readings must be extremely heavy. But this is unlikely.

2. This readings were caused by radioactive isotopes. In this case the area is close to serious trouble. In opposite to radiated air or radiation itself it could become part of the food-chain. In this case the people in the area will face serious trouble.

Let us hope, next values will be lower.
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Hey, how do you know that they didn't mean milli and not micro?

They've been mixing up milli and micro all week long!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145258


For damn sure they have been! And after haveing grown up on rads I am also pissed they have sprung this metric bull shit on us at this time without any conversion ratios!
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Re: ########## URGENT: Radiation 1,600 times normal level 20 km from Fukushima plant: Guaranteed Death Dose!
OP got his calculations wrong. But this is still a serious event.

If OP is correct that 161 mSv would kill people in 37 hours, then it makes sense that 161 uSv would kill people in 1000 times as long.

1000 * 37 hour = 4.22 years

That is very significant. There were or are thousands of people living near those reactors. They weren't going to die of radiation poisoning before the leaks. If that level of radioactivity remains there, they will all be dead inside 5 years. It's not as dramatic as 37 hours, but it's still quite terrible.

They have to find out where the radiation is coming from, stop the leaks, and clean up all radioactive material. Otherwise there is going to be a large part of Japan with no people living in it.

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