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"[Bernard] von NotHaus was also the founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code (NOFRED). One of the aims of the organization was to mix in the Liberty coins with standard US currency, said the agency."
 Quoting: Jamal_fazes_em_all 1308428


He was convicted because the jury who supposely listened to the case is dumber than a box of rocks. Happens a lot in the US since we have more under-educated Americans than ever before. Americans know the sports scores and history of sports but don't know squat about anything else of real importance. You get a nation full of people like that you are bound to have many BAD uneducated jury verdicts like this!
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i doubt that he is shocked that he was cracked down upon by the state

he had to have known that attempting to usurp the state sanctioned monopoly of money that is held by wall street would bring steep retribution

maybe his act of civil disobedience was meant to try to wake up the American people that they aren't actually free, so long as there isn't freedom of money. unfortunately for him, the people on both the left and right sides of the political spectrum are mostly statist shills that have no interest in actual freedom.
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i doubt that he is shocked that he was cracked down upon by the state

he had to have known that attempting to usurp the state sanctioned monopoly of money that is held by wall street would bring steep retribution

maybe his act of civil disobedience was meant to try to wake up the American people that they aren't actually free, so long as there isn't freedom of money. unfortunately for him, the people on both the left and right sides of the political spectrum are mostly statist shills that have no interest in actual freedom.
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Yep, in an alternate universe, he and those that actually sacrifice their own potential luxury for the rights of others based on principle, like Terry Lakin, will receive the accolades they deserve, but not here, and not now.
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Feds knock on my door with orders to confiscate. I tell them "You'll never get me pot of gold!".
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Under Article 1 section 8 of the U.S. constitution are enumerated powers of the U.S. congress.

The following are powers given to congress:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;

The Federal Reserve bank is creating coin with no oversight from the congress and should therefore be considered as counterfeit.


98 years of domestic terrorism perpetuated by the Federal Reserve should warrant a death sentence.
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Feds knock on my door with orders to confiscate. I tell them "You'll never get me pot of gold!".
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Oh, theyre commin fer yer lucky charms awright!
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Under Article 1 section 8 of the U.S. constitution are enumerated powers of the U.S. congress.

The following are powers given to congress:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;

The Federal Reserve bank is creating coin with no oversight from the congress and should therefore be considered as counterfeit.


98 years of domestic terrorism perpetuated by the Federal Reserve should warrant a death sentence.
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death sentance? Right! OURS!

Few really understand or comprehend the cultural battle ongoing..
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phucque with the monster. Bad cop. No doughnut.
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that's exactly what he is, a terrorist. he deserves every day he gets behind bars.

people should stop pretending to be the King.

you fuckers are in no position to make these sorts of claims.
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Well this is crap.. If i want to make coins with the intent for their distribution and use as legal tender, i have all the freedom in the world to believe i can do that. And if i try to pass it off as legal tender, well whose job is it to make sure it IS legal tender? The REAL-criminal counterfeiters? HAH!

All he needs is a business license and then claim he was testing the security of the businesses and people whom he sold the coins to. Security being his business and all..
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he must really be in love with ronnie!

I bet he still has a couple rolls of coins "hidden" up his arse from his gay sex fantasizing.

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Not to mention the United States does not own it's OWN FUCKING MONEY!! Therefore he cannot conspire against the US..
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why are they calling it terrorism? can't they think of a real crime to charge him with?
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Because under the " Patriot act " they can charge him as a enemy combatant and not have to give him a trial or lawyer or even a phone call until the Government decides to ( 1 day to 30yrs )..

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Under Article 1 section 8 of the U.S. constitution are enumerated powers of the U.S. congress.

The following are powers given to congress:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;

The Federal Reserve bank is creating coin with no oversight from the congress and should therefore be considered as counterfeit.


98 years of domestic terrorism perpetuated by the Federal Reserve should warrant a death sentence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1243121


death sentance? Right! OURS!

Few really understand or comprehend the cultural battle ongoing..
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Apathy and lethargy has killed America.
So many people know about the criminality of the Fed, but no action is ever taken....
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is there anything that can be done for this guy? petition? fund? demonstration? no fucking way they are slamming him for terrorism for such a stupid reason.
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One would hope that Ron Paul himself would come to his aid. He didn't do anything wrong or unconstitutional - except in the unconstitutional federal reserve's rule book.
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The Federal Reserve has a monopoly on fake dollars. Look up dollar in a legal dictionary and consider a FRN IS a legal document. IT IS COUNTERFEIT!!!
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[link to www.theepochtimes.com]

"[Bernard] von NotHaus was also the founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code (NOFRED). One of the aims of the organization was to mix in the Liberty coins with standard US currency, said the agency."
 Quoting: Jamal_fazes_em_all 1308428


I don't see why they had to label it as domestic terrorism.

The author of the article kind of twisted the words of the US Attorney.

But the guy in fact BROKE the law. It is quite easy to see that. Well known laws at that.

If he had been smart...

He would have called it a Liberty coin.

Not had a value stamped on the coin.

Not claimed it as legal tender.

Then...

if asked, "what's the value of the coin?" He could have replied, "well, it's worth about a dollar", and winked.

If asked OFFICIALLY he could have claimed it an "artistic commemorative."

Various companies strike commemoratives all the time.

I mean people in the know would know exactly what the coin was all about.

If you are going to play games with the government, you've got to play smart.

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what a dumb ass,people cant make thier own money.5a
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Under Article 1 section 8 of the U.S. constitution are enumerated powers of the U.S. congress.

The following are powers given to congress:

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current coin of the United States;

The Federal Reserve bank is creating coin with no oversight from the congress and should therefore be considered as counterfeit.


98 years of domestic terrorism perpetuated by the Federal Reserve should warrant a death sentence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1243121


death sentance? Right! OURS!

Few really understand or comprehend the cultural battle ongoing..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1308862


Apathy and lethargy has killed America.
So many people know about the criminality of the Fed, but no action is ever taken....
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Action? Simply retain what is yours. What you trade for, for your labor, the exchange of parts of your life for some object you agree to, is not income, and has as such never been defined by statute. You must define what you live your life for, not those anonymous men that benefit and trade only from your labor
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[link to www.theepochtimes.com]

"[Bernard] von NotHaus was also the founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code (NOFRED). One of the aims of the organization was to mix in the Liberty coins with standard US currency, said the agency."
 Quoting: Jamal_fazes_em_all 1308428


I don't see why they had to label it as domestic terrorism.

The author of the article kind of twisted the words of the US Attorney.

But the guy in fact BROKE the law. It is quite easy to see that. Well known laws at that.

If he had been smart...

He would have called it a Liberty coin.

Not had a value stamped on the coin.

Not claimed it as legal tender.

Then...

if asked, "what's the value of the coin?" He could have replied, "well, it's worth about a dollar", and winked.

If asked OFFICIALLY he could have claimed it an "artistic commemorative."

Various companies strike commemoratives all the time.

I mean people in the know would know exactly what the coin was all about.

If you are going to play games with the government, you've got to play smart.
 Quoting: G. House


The concept of offering a product with a better value used to be a tradition in america and highly regarded. "Dollar" is not unique to america. A coin is not unique to america. In fact there has been no effort made to claim equivalancy to american currency, it was, in fact, a separate, readily identifiable and much better product than american coinage. Other than that, there is nothing on any coin that hasnt been on any of dozens minted for a millenium.
Why is there no prosecution of those fake 5 and 20 dollar faux gold american coinage offerings or the 9/11 coin?? Fraud is part and parcel of got procedure, and it isnt gonna stop for you. Toadies and wannabes will be discarded by their masters when their usefullness is finished, remember that.
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[link to www.theepochtimes.com]

"[Bernard] von NotHaus was also the founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code (NOFRED). One of the aims of the organization was to mix in the Liberty coins with standard US currency, said the agency."
 Quoting: Jamal_fazes_em_all 1308428


I don't see why they had to label it as domestic terrorism.

The author of the article kind of twisted the words of the US Attorney.

But the guy in fact BROKE the law. It is quite easy to see that. Well known laws at that.

If he had been smart...

He would have called it a Liberty coin.

Not had a value stamped on the coin.

Not claimed it as legal tender.

Then...

if asked, "what's the value of the coin?" He could have replied, "well, it's worth about a dollar", and winked.

If asked OFFICIALLY he could have claimed it an "artistic commemorative."

Various companies strike commemoratives all the time.

I mean people in the know would know exactly what the coin was all about.

If you are going to play games with the government, you've got to play smart.
 Quoting: G. House


The concept of offering a product with a better value used to be a tradition in america and highly regarded. "Dollar" is not unique to america. A coin is not unique to america. In fact there has been no effort made to claim equivalancy to american currency, it was, in fact, a separate, readily identifiable and much better product than american coinage. Other than that, there is nothing on any coin that hasnt been on any of dozens minted for a millenium.
Why is there no prosecution of those fake 5 and 20 dollar faux gold american coinage offerings or the 9/11 coin?? Fraud is part and parcel of got procedure, and it isnt gonna stop for you. Toadies and wannabes will be discarded by their masters when their usefullness is finished, remember that.
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I just explained to you why.

You can't claim it is legal tender.

And the people that make commemoratives don't claim them as legal tender.

It's an exercise in semantics.
"Everybody lies."
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why are they calling it terrorism? can't they think of a real crime to charge him with?
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It's economic warfare, as the Chinese are conducting against us now. Economic warfare exists in writings 3,000 years old (Sun Tzu, the Art of War, eg). Rich merchant families have slowly been taking over the world by economic warfare for hundreds of years.

Basically, this guy (Is he really named Von Nut House?) acted in a way that reduces the strength of the dollar, and causes inflation. More dollars = more demand = price increase = reduced buying power of the dollar.
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[link to www.theepochtimes.com]

"[Bernard] von NotHaus was also the founder of the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code (NOFRED). One of the aims of the organization was to mix in the Liberty coins with standard US currency, said the agency."
 Quoting: Jamal_fazes_em_all 1308428


I don't see why they had to label it as domestic terrorism.

The author of the article kind of twisted the words of the US Attorney.

But the guy in fact BROKE the law. It is quite easy to see that. Well known laws at that.

If he had been smart...

He would have called it a Liberty coin.

Not had a value stamped on the coin.

Not claimed it as legal tender.

Then...

if asked, "what's the value of the coin?" He could have replied, "well, it's worth about a dollar", and winked.

If asked OFFICIALLY he could have claimed it an "artistic commemorative."

Various companies strike commemoratives all the time.

I mean people in the know would know exactly what the coin was all about.

If you are going to play games with the government, you've got to play smart.
 Quoting: G. House


The concept of offering a product with a better value used to be a tradition in america and highly regarded. "Dollar" is not unique to america. A coin is not unique to america. In fact there has been no effort made to claim equivalancy to american currency, it was, in fact, a separate, readily identifiable and much better product than american coinage. Other than that, there is nothing on any coin that hasnt been on any of dozens minted for a millenium.
Why is there no prosecution of those fake 5 and 20 dollar faux gold american coinage offerings or the 9/11 coin?? Fraud is part and parcel of got procedure, and it isnt gonna stop for you. Toadies and wannabes will be discarded by their masters when their usefullness is finished, remember that.
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I just explained to you why.

You can't claim it is legal tender.

And the people that make commemoratives don't claim them as legal tender.

It's an exercise in semantics.


 Quoting: G. House

STRAWMAN MUCH?
I dont think anyone claimed it's USA legal tender.
Counterfeiters dont reproduce a product that has more intrinsic value than what they copy.
THis is nothing more than another in a justification for confiscation of all items of intrinsic value not officially dennominated in dollars. It's about taxation and control.
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why are they calling it terrorism? can't they think of a real crime to charge him with?
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It's economic warfare, as the Chinese are conducting against us now. Economic warfare exists in writings 3,000 years old (Sun Tzu, the Art of War, eg). Rich merchant families have slowly been taking over the world by economic warfare for hundreds of years.

Basically, this guy (Is he really named Von Nut House?) acted in a way that reduces the strength of the dollar, and causes inflation. More dollars = more demand = price increase = reduced buying power of the dollar.
 Quoting: Man from Modesto


HAhahaha! The Fed has decreased the value of the USD since its' inception, down 95% since 1913!
You so funny!
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why are they calling it terrorism? can't they think of a real crime to charge him with?
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It's economic warfare, as the Chinese are conducting against us now. Economic warfare exists in writings 3,000 years old (Sun Tzu, the Art of War, eg). Rich merchant families have slowly been taking over the world by economic warfare for hundreds of years.

Basically, this guy (Is he really named Von Nut House?) acted in a way that reduces the strength of the dollar, and causes inflation. More dollars = more demand = price increase = reduced buying power of the dollar.
 Quoting: Man from Modesto


He was applying a little economic shock therapy like in "Confessions of an economic hitman"?.

ooooo, da joo bankers do NOT like dat. They have exclusive rights on that. Ask Argentina, and the Balkans.
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jury nullification
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The time for that would have been before the Jury found him guilty, instead the article above linked by OP says that he was convicted and is now awaiting sentencing.

"Bernard von NotHaus, 67, created his own currency, some of which have Texas Republican Representative Ron Paul’s face on the front, and was found guilty after an eight-day trial and two hours of deliberation.

Von NotHaus used the Liberty Dollars in lieu of actual minted US coins and was found guilty on several charges stemming from making, processing, and using the imitation coins, the FBI said. He also was charged with conspiracy against the United States. "

I could not see where that article (at least) states he was found guilty of "conspiracy against the United States" only that he was charged with it. Anyone have more certain information on that point?

"In 2006, the US Mint and the Department of Justice issued a statement which said that the Liberty Dollars are “not legal tender,” the FBI stated. They also determined that circulating and using the coins is a federal crime."

Hmmm... But subway-tokens are?

The entire Legal Tender issue needs vast clarification in the minds of the Public... the attorneys have muddled up the entire issue in a hopeless mish-masho of legalese bull shit.
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why are they calling it terrorism? can't they think of a real crime to charge him with?
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It's economic warfare, as the Chinese are conducting against us now. Economic warfare exists in writings 3,000 years old (Sun Tzu, the Art of War, eg). Rich merchant families have slowly been taking over the world by economic warfare for hundreds of years.

Basically, this guy (Is he really named Von Nut House?) acted in a way that reduces the strength of the dollar, and causes inflation. More dollars = more demand = price increase = reduced buying power of the dollar.
 Quoting: Man from Modesto


HAhahaha! The Fed has decreased the value of the USD since its' inception, down 95% since 1913!
You so funny!
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Its more like 96.75% now.
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I think you all need to go back to school in Physical Economics, most of you have gotten yourselves entangled in that same maze of tangled rabbit holes that every Counter-Counter Intelligence asset finds themselves lost in.
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