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THE BIGGEST SECRET OF FREEMASONRY IS.....there are no secrets....(hollywood and the illuminati and could you please just STFU)

 
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As something "external" to this world?
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Yes. God is outside of our physical reality, and time. That's why you can't "prove" God with our science. You can't observe God directly but you can observe God's creation. That should really be proof enough for any thinking person.
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Before "proving" the existence or not of God, don't you think the first step should be to agree upon a definition? Lol

Otherwise, good luck in trying to prove/disprove something you can't even describe :p
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Can't you read? Noone can describe God. We are limited to our reality as a reference. But we can observe the creation. Take for example the inner mechanisms of a living cell, that's a system of such mindboggling complexity, that should give you some humility and some hints of God's powers. But no your blown up egoistic foolishness wants to put man on top of everything...
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we are god as we create the creation by experiencing it and making choices, there is no limit to how much we could explore or expand reality other than the limits of our nervous system to perceive,
are you claiming god has 'already' 'in one go' created 'infinity' for us to now explore somehow 'afterwards'... rather than it being created as it gradually complexifies and experiences itself through time....
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Reality is ever changing, it could not be created from "outside" as you are again talking about creating something the way you think of creating as a human, to take matter that already exists and to twist it about until it's a different shape, that isn't what 'god' would have done, because you already said god is 'outside' of the system

"God" has "created" the system in which there is no limits, that is not the same as creating finite manifestations, so you can' put gods creation down to any single set of 'idea's or concepts because god created the idea of ideas.. the concept of concepts...

I kind of see two sides to reality which is mirrored by the hemispheres of our brains, you have to have a logical, limited construct in which to use creativity, imagine say, a set of notes or a scale, or an empty 2d canvas and set of paints but then you have to have the opposite of 'logic' a kind of intelligent /emotionalchaos, to produce patterns WITHIN the 'logical limited' construct, of any real 'value' this is the emotional side, you can't write a song with logic, logic provides the space in which the 'thing' is to happen, but the true nature of the 'thing' is not the construct in which is was created, it was the intention behind it.......

hopefully someone will make some sense of my deranged ramblings XD
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so I guess if a top level freemason spills the beans that would be no problem at all???

Do not underestimate people's intelligence.
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Reality is ever changing, it could not be created from "outside" as you are again talking about creating something the way you think of creating as a human, to take matter that already exists and to twist it about until it's a different shape, that isn't what 'god' would have done, because you already said god is 'outside' of the system

"God" has "created" the system in which there is no limits, that is not the same as creating finite manifestations, so you can' put gods creation down to any single set of 'idea's or concepts because god created the idea of ideas.. the concept of concepts...

I kind of see two sides to reality which is mirrored by the hemispheres of our brains, you have to have a logical, limited construct in which to use creativity, imagine say, a set of notes or a scale, or an empty 2d canvas and set of paints but then you have to have the opposite of 'logic' a kind of intelligent /emotionalchaos, to produce patterns WITHIN the 'logical limited' construct, of any real 'value' this is the emotional side, you can't write a song with logic, logic provides the space in which the 'thing' is to happen, but the true nature of the 'thing' is not the construct in which is was created, it was the intention behind it.......

hopefully someone will make some sense of my deranged ramblings XD
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the sense of 'I' is actually one hemisphere's backdrop against the other. This reveails the deeper concept of duality. In fact its just a devilishly clever tactic.

There are 'clean' people around who have immense power because their souls are fully there and not compromised, and are fundamentally 'good'. There are other people who have given up their soul in exchange for power and immortality. But they in fact are extremely weak in the face of a good soulfull person: so they need to decieve in order to control. Deception is through fear: terror, and pain, blackmail and so on.

Take care.
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Yes Sir, at last an intelligence thread!!!!
You are, from my humble point of view, lighten. It's simple but intense, "Everything is GOD", and this simple true is as far away from us that changes our possible wisdom by a dark stupidity.
I'm searching, out of the human interference, a reason in my life who fill it up with interest and contents. LOVE is the path but I feel LOVE is not from this "dimension", because LOVE is DIVINE (without be waiting for sth).
I know all of us are interconnected because the reason exposed before and "Satan" is a part of us as GOD (material against Divine). Our free will is who do you choose to partner making the journey of your live.
OP, nice thread, be my love with you.
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hopefully someone will make some sense of my deranged ramblings XD
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Nobody can make sense of your ramblings. I say it again, study the complexity of the living cell, it's like a supercomplex biochemic machine. Systems like this cannot come together by coincidence. It's the "fingerprints" of God. Since creation living NOTHING EVOLVES, nothing, at best living organisms can reproduce anew generation, but that's it. Species go extinct.

We are not gods, we are the sons and daughters of Adam who was created by God. When you say things like "we create our reality by experiencing it" it's just such an idiotic statement that is totally void of any meaning. Like a mantra that some lunatic repeats over and over.
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Re: THE BIGGEST SECRET OF FREEMASONRY IS.....there are no secrets....(hollywood and the illuminati and could you please just STFU)
We are not gods, we are the sons and daughters of Adam who was created by God. When you say things like "we create our reality by experiencing it" it's just such an idiotic statement that is totally void of any meaning. Like a mantra that some lunatic repeats over and over.
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Unfortunately, when you say "we are the sons and daughters of Adam who was created by God" you continue to confuse people who cannot think in a figurative manner. Also, If God created "Adam" where did he get the materials to do so? Are you telling me some God came into this universe which, oh by the way just so happened to be here, gathered some random materials and elements and created life as we know it? No. He, it, created it from himself.
Also, if you refuse to believe that your experiences are the direct reflection of your inner consciousness then you are ignorant of an important truth. I think deep down, everyone knows and understands that everything we experience whether "good" or "bad" is because we have earned it. People just prefer to pretend that they are victims.
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Re: THE BIGGEST SECRET OF FREEMASONRY IS.....there are no secrets....(hollywood and the illuminati and could you please just STFU)
sure but i don't know what happens when someone sais o and so on in words.
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Exactly! Well put, OP! Thank you!!! 5 Stars!!!
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Re: THE BIGGEST SECRET OF FREEMASONRY IS.....there are no secrets....(hollywood and the illuminati and could you please just STFU)
Before "proving" the existence or not of God, don't you think the first step should be to agree upon a definition? Lol

Otherwise, good luck in trying to prove/disprove something you can't even describe :p
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To further point out how ridiculous you are, imagine that you are a computer programmer, you design a program and run it in the computer. Imagine then that the program tries to define and prove YOU, the programmer. It can't, and therefore it comes to the conclusion that there is no programmer, it has always existed and it is evolving.

Perhaps not a perfect analogy but you catch the meaning....
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Listen, we both believe in something grand, something good, something way beyond us, and both call it God.

Can't we just leave it like that ;) So we can reach understanding and not more separation?
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=) Nice!!!
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Re: THE BIGGEST SECRET OF FREEMASONRY IS.....there are no secrets....(hollywood and the illuminati and could you please just STFU)
1) The biggest secret of the Masonry is that there are no secrets at all. Everything that is taught and learned is INHERENT HUMAN KNOWLEDGE. How do i know this? simple: because i do. think im bigoted? too bad. the only way to understand this though is to do deep, self-analysis. the answers will come when you really want them to.

2) what do The illuminati, freemasons, lady ga-ga all have in common? They all worship Satan...NOT!! In fact, if anyone does, they may have a form of schizophrenia. Satan or Lucifer (again, Latin) means light-bearer and is only meant to be taken figuratively. Im not going to sit here and tell you about the true meaning of LUCIFER, you can do that on your own time but i will tell you that there is NO devil, and whatever it is the illumined worship, it certainly isnt evil. again, look it up.

3)God is everything, time, space, matter. We are all pieces of "God". We are truly the universe BECOMING CONSCIOUS of itself. When we think God, we think of a man, or a being, or some THING outside of ourselves. Nothing is outside of us, really, we just take on that perception due to SEPARATION which brings me to number

4) the very basis for our existence is SEPARATION. The big bang resulted in the SEPARATION of matter which gave form to stars and planets, animals and plants. How did this separation begin? well....

5)Adam and Eve. okay okay, atheists, calm down. read the story in the bible and try to figure this one out for yourself, it is too much for words.

Let's move on to something a little more personal; something i know will immediately begin to fight me when i mention it's name:

6)The Ego. Don't you just want to punch the guy who has one? Well, punch yourself because your ego just made that judgment. In fact, your ego is probably creating every experience for you right now. what's worse is that its probably making it UNCOMFORTABLE for you. Do you feel it? The resistance? are you in denial of having an ego? Can you honestly deny the fact that you live almost entirely based on past experiences and FEAR? That is your EGO! if you cant answer honestly to that question then you will never truly live. The secret to life, which can be found in ALL religions and is taught by way of Buddhism, is to (this will sound cheezy) let go and let love. Let go of your thoughts. they are useless. even the voice you use to calm yourself in stressful situations is your ENEMY. Requesting calm in a stressful situation is the same thing as saying that you dont have it already. So how do you get it?. Calm is only a feeling, something within you, not an object you have to reach out and get. Because it's already in you, you dont need to ask for it. you just need to find it and let it manifest. wishing wanting and hoping are all forms of one thing: LACK. Everything you need to be happy and at peace is within you already, don't let your ego dictate your experiences. "if it's so wonderful then why isnt it so wide-spread and used more commonly" simple!...the shedding of the ego is a process, one in which i think people spend their entire existence trying to complete. and believe you me, it is painful.

and finally, because it humors me:

6)Jay-z isnt illuminati, and if he is then he is doing a bad job at it. From what i understand, Illuminati is supposed to be a secret society. MORE AND MORE people are becoming conscious every DAY thanks to people like JAY Z. hate his music? okay, but the guy has it figured out. he knows how the universe works, he knows how it is meant to work, and he knows how to make it work for him. Do you have what it takes to do the same?

people who think the way we do have been criticized and ostracized for hundreds of years but really im just a regular guy who has questions about his existence. hopefully i can answer yours
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Bla bla bla, tell me smth I don't know! plz
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