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**RADIATION PROTECTION**- non prescription list, revised and updated.

 
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Hi Emerald eye,

tried to pm but i cant afford to upgrade at the moment. So i'll just have to put this right out there. in your original list you have miso, and this was one of the original two factors identified in survivors of the ww2 american bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki, along with iodine. i think you mention quite briefly that it was said by a japanese uni to x5 the chance of surviving radiation exposure. now, i believe that the most important component of miso is in fact niacin, b3, and furthermore the type that causes a flush. because the iodine isotope is only a minor long term risk in land contamination as well as food contamination i believe that much more emphasis should be put on the supplementation with niacin.

also, there has been a backlash with people saying that taking excessive, or even therapeutic doses, of iodine may tip the balance of risk/benefit ratio against their favor. together with timing issues, and time limits, where wolf-chaikoff may occur, opponents can use the above issues.

but i believe this is not the case with niacin. in other words even if people _are_ in fact taking it for a risk to which they are not being exposed, it is still going to benefit them significantly, and it is also probably the single most economic beneficial nutrient.

now, there are some details about niacin which i would love to discuss. i'm going to go to a friends with adsl2 and take a webcam so if you want i would be happy to discuss it with you. discussion through the forum is also great. i just thought that seeing as you already have a reputation and have probably been the most successful person on glp in spreading the message about using therapeutic levels of nutrients to protect against radiation as well as provide wider health benefits, that i would direct this concern towards you. i dont know if youve ever taken ~1gram of niacin, with or without the other things in a regime developed by dr's and naturopaths (including my mother)? but the regime is basically;

dont drink alcohol the same day; take ~1gram niacin in a large glass of water (have seen drs recommending upto 6gram a day in divided doses for reversing atherosclerosis ); together with, a capsule of liquid lethicin (the straight liquid is a mess and sticks to your teeth, and the liquid is in considerable experience more efficacious than granules), a b complex to assist the process and prevent b imbalance, vitE (i'll get you the suggested amount), also possibly coQ10 (although this is generally one of the more expensive nutrients and it may be more efficient to dose separately due to the low bioavailablity through the digestive tract). hot showers can help with the flushing, as can spraying the body with a substance called Schweitzer which i dont have much experience with personally.

this regime massively increases circulation and health of the skin and organs, immune system, and healing. also niacin is implicated as a precursor or cofactor in dna repair mechanisms, and i believe this may be the connection to the radiation protection. oh vitD is probably a good thing to take too, and possibly together, and there is growing evidence that vitD can protect against cancer by acting as a hormone that regulates excessive cell proliferation.

well, i'll end this before i go tl;dr, but i hope you do find that niacin is worth recommending and may infact, according to your own brief recommendation of miso and that of many others, be the most significant factor in radiation protection. finally the shot that you are given just before a ct to protect you (i had one last year) i believe consists of niacin and iodine!

thanks for your time, propagandhi
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You are so right, and I probably didn't spend enough space on Niacin in the original post.


"Niacin refers to two chemically distinct compounds: Nicotinic acid and Niacinamide (nicotinamide).
These biologically active components are derived from dietary niacin or are biosynthesized from available tryptophan."

"Niacin plays a major role in the formation of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) and its phosphate (NADP), compounds important in intermediary metabolism and a wide variety of oxidation-reduction reactions."

[link to www.surgical-pathology.com]




One of the possible difficulties with Niacin is that it can increase the radiosenstivity of the thyroid gland to radioactive I 131.


"Nicotinamide (niacin) is very useful substance in treatment of many kinds of diseases. For the decades the main indications for application of niacin were lipid disorders. There are studies confirming that niacin increases thyroid radiosensitivity to 1-131."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Nicotinamide increases thyroid radiosensitivity by stimulating nitric oxide synthase expression and the generation of organic peroxides.
NA (Nicotinamide) potentiates the effect of 131 I by increasing eNOS, which would in turn stimulate NO production, increasing thyroid blood flow and tissue damage via organic peroxides."


[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]




On the other had, niacin seems to protect from chromosomal breakage due to ionizing radiation.


"Our data suggest that a high intake of niacin from food or a diet high in whole grains but low in red and processed meat may protect against cumulative DNA damage in IR-exposed persons."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

So the niacin situation seems a bit complicated to me right now just as the iodine situation is.

It may be a dose dependant response (maybe miso soup has just the right amount) broccoli

People make sometimes the incorrect assumption that if a little is good, a lot should be better, and it doesn't always work out that way. lala

I will try to spend a bit more time on this and respond more completely tomorrow to your thought provoking post. My eyelids are getting very heavy at the moment.

I promise to respond more completely to you tomorrow, but thanks for your thoughts on this.smile_kiss
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Thanks friend!hf
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Back to the discussion about Niacin and radiation.

I did find a few references to Niacin having been used to treat the victims of Chernobyl radiation. I an uncertain as to the scientific validity of these references, but as niacin has many know health benefits, I see no reason to doubt them.

"According to Dr. Bob, the prescription drug hydergine sandoz and large doses of niacin B3 were used in treating victims of radiation poisoning after the Chernobyl meltdown."

[link to www.restoreunity.org]

Also Niacin was mentioned in this blog posted by Dr Mark Sircus :

"Dear Mark, Have you heard about using niacin for preventing and possibly treating radiation sickness?
Apparently used during the nuclear testing period post-WWII by USA military.
My understanding is that it eliminates radiation from the body – most people think the niacin flushing as vascular dilation but if one observes carefully it follows old sun burn marks and old “age spots” start to disappear and often skin cancers fall off!
You are welcome to contact me as I believe that this information should be made public – the only reference I can find in today’s searching of the internet is with the Scientology movement – which for some may not sit comfortably but doesn’t mean to say it’s bad or wrong."



[link to blog.imva.info]

This blog is a great reference on radiation sickness, and I plan to post some excerpts from it.

However, since niacin sensitizes the thyroid tissue to radioactive Iodine,
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
it would seem more reasonable to avoid large quantities of niacin while radioactive I 131 is still in the environment.

Then after 4 half lives of eight days each have elapsed (around 32 days) without additional I 131 being released, then it would seem to me that niacin could be used to help the body recover from radiation exposure.

Thanks for your input.

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wow, great job.
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Thanks a bunch for your continued encouragements..grouphug
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This is a very informative blog that discusses the symptoms of ARS (acute radiation sickness) as well as some other important information.

Some of what I feel is the most important I will quote:

"Radiation can travel quickly in air currents. Students from the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, NY measured radiation fallout in New York during atomic bomb testing over Nevada desert (2,300 miles away). Just a few hours after the explosion the students reported that the average radiation readings in nearby towns were 20-100 times higher. Radiation fallout travels quickly and is therefore dangerous."


"A spokesman for the Geneva-based U.N. health agency said contaminated food poses a greater long-term risk to residents’ health than radioactive particles in the air, which disperse within days. It was the strongest statement yet from the world body on radiation risks to ordinary people rather than nuclear workers. “They’re going to have to make some decisions quickly in Japan to shut down and completely stop food from being used from zones they feel might be affected,” Gregory Hartl told the Associated Press. “Repeated consumption of certain products is going to intensify risks, as opposed to radiation in the air that happens once and then the first time it rains there’s no longer radiation in the air. A week ago we were more concerned about the radiation leakages and possible explosion of the nuclear facility itself, but now other issues are getting more attention including the food safety issue".”


"The initial symptoms reported by the Japanese and (later by American) observers were the loss of hair from the scalp, bleeding into the skin, inflammation of the mouth and throat, vomiting, diarrhea and fever."

"Nausea and vomiting that appeared within a few hours after the explosion were frequently noted and while the vomiting usually subsided by the following morning, occasionally it continued for 2-3 more days. Diarrhea of varying degrees of severity was also observed and in severe cases, it was frequently bloody."


[link to blog.imva.info]
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Thanks OP for collecting all of this..have you bookmarked ;)

Also, I don't know if someone else brought it up but with regards to liquid Iodine DON"T use the Povidone Iodine. Whether taking Potassium Iodide, etc pills or kelp, what have you, painting a 2"X2" area of skin with the Iodine and seeing rate of absorbtion. If less than 2 hours intake is too LOW, 2-3 hours intake is adequate, longer than 3 hours and you may be taking too much via the pills (natural sources are ok). Feel free to edit or delete if you know different.
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Thanks OP for collecting all of this..have you bookmarked ;)

Also, I don't know if someone else brought it up but with regards to liquid Iodine DON"T use the Povidone Iodine. Whether taking Potassium Iodide, etc pills or kelp, what have you, painting a 2"X2" area of skin with the Iodine and seeing rate of absorbtion. If less than 2 hours intake is too LOW, 2-3 hours intake is adequate, longer than 3 hours and you may be taking too much via the pills (natural sources are ok). Feel free to edit or delete if you know different.
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No, from what I have read, that seems very reasonable. However, one of the original studies on topical iodine for radiation protection(from Japan, interestingly enough) was done using Povidone Iodine.

[link to www.jstage.jst.go.jp]


The toxicity situations seem to have occurred when people were ingesting very large quantities, had chronic exposure, open wounds or burns, very young babies or pregnant women.

There is also evidence that using iodized salt and consuming iodine rich (non-contaminated) foods on a regular basis lessens the risk to the thyroid gland from radioactive I 131. The risk is also proportional to age, with those being younger, at greater risk.

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Yes, lots listed again on Ebay:


[link to shop.ebay.com]

You can also buy potassium iodide (KI) from a chemical supply house, but you must accurately measure dose in mg.


[link to cgi.ebay.com]

If you live in a humid climate potassium iodate (KIO3) has a longer shelf life and is used in other countries, but not technically "FDA approved".

[link to shop.ebay.com]

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Why isnt this pinned?????bump
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it is now..
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unfortunately most of the good miso is made in Japan, Korea, and on the West Coast.

I have also heard that THC in marijuana will also help protect you from all kinds of radiation.
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Why isnt this pinned?????bump
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it is now..
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Cool, Mods thanks for the pin...my first!hf
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JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU

to op's list, very informative and nicely organized.


and i have a question:

does anyone know how i can learn to search and understand pubmed, medline/research articles?

if anyone can help me i would be gratified!
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JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU

to op's list, very informative and nicely organized.


and i have a question:

does anyone know how i can learn to search and understand pubmed, medline/research articles?

if anyone can help me i would be gratified!
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You are so very welcomehf




You can type in your topic here, and it will pull up the abstracts.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]



Sometimes understanding the articles requires some experience, but don't be daunted, you can further research words and topics that you do not understand.

If you find an article that you are interested in, sometimes you can have access for free if you request the article for personal use.
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You did a lot of work compiling this, maybe you can introduce yourself over here:
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And we will look into getting this posted on a free web page and in our special interest groups.

I am the moderator there and you can contact me through my profile lower right corner.
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Thank You so much for posting! God Bless You........
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You did a lot of work compiling this, maybe you can introduce yourself over here:
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And we will look into getting this posted on a free web page and in our special interest groups.

I am the moderator there and you can contact me through my profile lower right corner.
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You are most welcome to use this information in any way that you think worthwhile.

Most of this information was obtained by using tax dollars, and should rightfully belong to anyone who is interested.

If I can be of any assistance, I would be happy to do so.
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you left out Marijuana from the list.
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you left out Marijuana from the list.
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I am not sure that its benefits are proven or just wishful thinking. Along with being illegal, there are other risks as well.


"OBJECTIVES: Marijuana smoking has been implicated as a causative factor in traditionally tobacco-related tumors of the head and neck and of the lung. When associated with marijuana use, such tumors occur in a much younger patient population than do similar tumors in tobacco smokers. Owing to the large number of young men with a history of marijuana presenting with transitional cell carcinoma to VA facilities, this study was designed to compare the marijuana use among young (aged less than 60 years) transitional cell carcinoma patients with that among age-matched controls."

"RESULTS: Of the 52 transitional cell carcinoma patients, 46 (88.5%) reported a history of habitual marijuana usage, and 72 (69.2%) of the age-matched controls gave a history of habitual marijuana use. This difference was statistically significant (P = 0.008). In those with transitional cell carcinoma, marijuana use significantly correlated with tumor stage, grade, and number of recurrences."

"CONCLUSIONS: Marijuana smoking might increase the risk of transitional cell carcinoma."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

It might be what it's sprayed with...
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Alcohol however, especially wine may be another matter:


"The principal phenolic and alcoholic components of wine protect human lymphocytes against hydrogen peroxide- and ionizing radiation-induced DNA damage in vitro."

"The results obtained showed that ethanol, glycerol, the catechin-caffeic acid mixture, the mixture of all components and the stripped white wine significantly reduced the DNA-damaging effects of hydrogen peroxide and gamma-radiation."


"The strongest protective effect against DNA damage by gamma-irradiation was observed for the catechin-caffeic acid mixture and the mixture of all components (30 and 32% reduction, respectively). These two treatments as well as ethanol produced the strongest protective effects against DNA damage by hydrogen peroxide (24, 25 and 18%, respectively)."

" In conclusion, our results suggest that the main phenolic and alcoholic components of wine can reduce the DNA-damaging effects of two important oxidants, i.e. hydrogen peroxide and ionizing radiation, in this physiologically relevant in vitro system."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


wine
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wow, that was the shortest pin in history...too_sad
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wow, that was the shortest pin in history...too_sad
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op do you have anything on dna repair, once damaged?

i heard cats claw can do that
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wow, that was the shortest pin in history...too_sad
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op do you have anything on dna repair, once damaged?

i heard cats claw can do that
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Uncaria Tomentosa (cat's claw has many beneficial effects as an antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial, Antitumoral, and possibly effective against viral cytokine storm.

Given that it has anti-inflammatory properties, it would presumably have some benefit against ionizing radiation, but I could not specifically find a reference to that.

"Uncaria tomentosa, a large woody vine native to the Amazon and Central American rainforests has been used medicinally by indigenous peoples since ancient times and has scientifically proven immunomodulating, anti-inflammatory, cytotoxic and antioxidant activities.

"Several inflammatory mediators that are implicated in vascular permeability and shock are produced after Dengue Virus (DENV) infection by monocytes, the primary targets for virus replication."

"We conclude that the alkaloidal fraction was the most effective in reducing monocyte infection rates and cytokine levels. The antiviral and immunomodulating in vitro effects from U. tomentosa pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids displayed novel properties regarding therapeutic procedures in Dengue Fever and might be further investigated as a promising candidate for clinical application.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


It is also known to be antimicrobial:

"Antimicrobial activity of Uncaria tomentosa against oral human pathogens."

"Three percent Uncaria tomentosa inhibited 8% of Enterobacteriaceae isolates, 52% of S. mutans and 96% of Staphylococcus spp. It could be concluded that micropulverized Uncaria tomentosa presented antimicrobial activity on Enterobacteriaceae, S. mutans and Staphylococcus spp. isolates. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]





"The objective of this study was to evaluate the renoprotective effects of Uncaria Tomentosa (cat's claw) on ischemic acute kidney injury induced by renal clamping in rats. The hypoxia and hypoperfusion increase the production of reactive species already present in the inflammatory process. Results showed that the renal function evaluated by creatinine clearance, the urinary excretion of peroxides and malondealdehyde indexes demonstrated that UT induced renoprotection, probably related to its antioxidant activities."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

"Antitumoral and antioxidant effects of a hydroalcoholic extract of cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa) (Willd. Ex Roem. & Schult) in an in vivo carcinosarcoma model."

"CONCLUSIONS: This data represent an in vivo demonstration of both antitumoral and antioxidant effects of UT hydroalcoholic extract. The antineoplastic activity may result, partially at least, from the ability of UT to regulate redox and metabolism homeostasis."

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


Although this is not recommended for persons with Parkinson's disease:

Uncaria tomentosa (UT), also known as cat's claw, isa Peruvian Rubiaceae species widely used in traditional medicine for the treatment of a wide range of health problems. There is no report about the use, safety, and efficacy of UT in neurological disorders. We describe reversible worsening of motor signs in a patient with Parkinson disease after oral intake of UT, and some possible explanations are discussed.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


Selinium is proposed as a possible DNA repair supplement. I will look for some others:

"Selenium (Se) is an essential dietary component for animals including humans and is regarded as a protective agent against cancer. Although the mode of anticancer action of Se is not fully understood yet, several mechanisms, such as antioxidant protection by selenoenzymes, specific inhibition of tumor cell growth by Se metabolites, modulation of cell cycle and apoptosis, and effect on DNA repair have all been proposed."
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Actually a form of Niacin (Nicotinamide) has also been proposed for DNA repair:

See the above discussion on Niacin


"Nicotinamide is a water-soluble amide form of niacin (nicotinic acid or vitamin B3). Both niacin and nicotinamide are widely available in plant and animal foods, and niacin can also be endogenously synthesized in the liver from dietary tryptophan. Nicotinamide is also commercially available in vitamin supplements and in a range of cosmetic, hair, and skin preparations. Nicotinamide is the primary precursor of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD(+)), an essential coenzyme in ATP production and the sole substrate of the nuclear enzyme poly-ADP-ribose polymerase-1 (PARP-1). Numerous in vitro and in vivo studies have clearly shown that PARP-1 and NAD(+) status influence cellular responses to genotoxicity which can lead to mutagenesis and cancer formation. This paper will examine the role of nicotinamide in the protection from carcinogenesis, DNA repair, and maintenance of genomic stability." [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
Courage forges a path through all obstacles,
while fear is the obstruction of all dreams.


The only way that anyone gets something for nothing, is that someone else has given up something for nothing.

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