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Can a rational person please explain the story of Lucifer in a SCIENTIFIC/metaphysical/astrological sense? kthxbye!

 
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Can a rational person please explain the story of Lucifer in a SCIENTIFIC/metaphysical/astrological sense? kthxbye!
The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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God, according to the bible killed BILLIONS of people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




LUCIFER, his holy, killed NONE....... EVER>>>>>>>
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Thread: Yaldabaoth
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What better place than here
What better time than now.
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What became later termed as Lucifer, Satan, or the Devil

was representative of the Ego, which rivals The Lord,

the representative of the self.

The true self is the epicenter of a person’s entire being.

It is the total sum of everything that we are.

The false-ego on the other hand,

is the idea and concept we create about ourselves in the course of our lives,

which typically excludes any qualities we don’t want to accept about ourselves.

However, Humanity has been endowed with the freedom to choose

either to obey the true self, or to give in to the temptation

of the vanity and materialism of the false-ego.
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The science of it is called alchemy. The Chemistry of it all. The alchemical wedding . The fall from grace in ancient secret texts veiled in allegory the truth to life. In the science of it applied through cabalistic math. Lucifer is the fallen man through rebellion of the soul. Thus lux lucifer morning star Venus. Why art thou fallen o thou lucifer.
The world is divided into opposites. The real god is beyond and before opposites. Nameless and faceless, and indescribable .
Through gematria one finds that lucifer is a lesser or more earthly designation to the title.
Everything is a progression from dense to etherial , being to non-being, and religious texts were written for those in the know.
Thus reading the bible in the dark ages (year1000), was considered heresy, punishable by death.
Knowledge is power.
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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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very simple... A evil criminal soul discovered a time machine and traveled back in time and misled the people with lies... and he was cursed... and Adam traveled true water and blood to the current times to stop the devil to commit his crime... ref. CERN.



1Jn 5:6 This is He that came by water and blood, even Yahushua the Messiah;
not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that
beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Elohim has begotten the Son by water and blood
"They took what they wanted ... and they wanted the world!"

"The thunder of their plundering shook the earth, the seas, the sky!"

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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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It is just old language converted to new titles in a new language.
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What became later termed as Lucifer, Satan, or the Devil

was representative of the Ego, which rivals The Lord,

the representative of the self.

The true self is the epicenter of a person’s entire being.

It is the total sum of everything that we are.

The false-ego on the other hand,

is the idea and concept we create about ourselves in the course of our lives,

which typically excludes any qualities we don’t want to accept about ourselves.

However, Humanity has been endowed with the freedom to choose

either to obey the true self, or to give in to the temptation

of the vanity and materialism of the false-ego.
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and the winner goes to......

thank you for your insight. this is more or less what i have come to learn, just needed to know that there are some sane and knowledgeable people out there.

Many can learn from this. peace
“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”
-einstein
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Lucifer is a LOUSY translation of the Hebrew word Heylel.

Isaiah 13
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God, according to the bible killed BILLIONS of people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




LUCIFER, his holy, killed NONE....... EVER>>>>>>>
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God Created BILLIONS of people. Lucifer created NONE. God Gives and he Takes away!
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OP, just found this today.... this series is pretty good, but he does talk about Lucifer and the instruments that were built into him.

...and asking for a scientific explanation in a spiritual matter is like saying I'm going to make my oil last longer in my engine by adding water.... that dog don't hunt.

part 2
[link to www.youtube.com]

part 3
[link to www.youtube.com]

The rest in the series are good as well, but since you were asking about this specific point I thought these were a good start...

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....and whatever you do, DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK... no... don't do it... STOP!!!! I warned you....

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Lucifer is a Cherub Angel. He cant be everywhere at once. Maybe he is a creation of pure ego.
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Polarity - it's all polarity.

The Material world is the creation of Satan, or the expression of pure negativity.
I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


Major defining characterisics:
Lucifer in heaven-before his rebellion was-a high and exalted angel.
Powerfull intellect and pride was Lucifers downfall.

"Origin of feedom and evil"
[link to groups.yahoo.com.anthroposophy_tomorrow]

hf

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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


Without a strong sense of your spiritual self, it is easy to get caught up with “end of the world” thinking and emoting, or caught up with the various titillating notions about secret space colonies, ET’s, secret powers, ancient mysteries, or the various shadow powers. This serves little to no useful purpose except to help assure you pass on from your human life mostly as an unaware self, caught in endless “entertainments” of the matrix world. Please stop. Once you are solidly centered and oriented, it is possible to observe what is afoot in the old world and yet not get caught up in it anymore.
It has to start somewhere
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What better time than now.
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So what do you want to know?


Lucifer is our God, the creator of our universe.

The only one that is able to stop satan in his tracks and keep him from destroying all of creation.
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What became later termed as Lucifer, Satan, or the Devil

was representative of the Ego, which rivals The Lord,

the representative of the self.

The true self is the epicenter of a person’s entire being.

It is the total sum of everything that we are.

The false-ego on the other hand,

is the idea and concept we create about ourselves in the course of our lives,

which typically excludes any qualities we don’t want to accept about ourselves.

However, Humanity has been endowed with the freedom to choose

either to obey the true self, or to give in to the temptation

of the vanity and materialism of the false-ego.
 Quoting: Phalidity


and the winner goes to......

thank you for your insight. this is more or less what i have come to learn, just needed to know that there are some sane and knowledgeable people out there.

Many can learn from this. peace
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


It is from a film entitled Kymatica by Ben Stewart.
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What became later termed as Lucifer, Satan, or the Devil

was representative of the Ego, which rivals The Lord,

the representative of the self.

The true self is the epicenter of a person’s entire being.

It is the total sum of everything that we are.

The false-ego on the other hand,

is the idea and concept we create about ourselves in the course of our lives,

which typically excludes any qualities we don’t want to accept about ourselves.

However, Humanity has been endowed with the freedom to choose

either to obey the true self, or to give in to the temptation

of the vanity and materialism of the false-ego.
 Quoting: Phalidity


and the winner goes to......

thank you for your insight. this is more or less what i have come to learn, just needed to know that there are some sane and knowledgeable people out there.

Many can learn from this. peace
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


It is from a film entitled Kymatica by Ben Stewart.
 Quoting: Phalidity




Nice, just downloaded it from youtube. Thanks!
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What became later termed as Lucifer, Satan, or the Devil

was representative of the Ego, which rivals The Lord,

the representative of the self.

The true self is the epicenter of a person’s entire being.

It is the total sum of everything that we are.

The false-ego on the other hand,

is the idea and concept we create about ourselves in the course of our lives,

which typically excludes any qualities we don’t want to accept about ourselves.

However, Humanity has been endowed with the freedom to choose

either to obey the true self, or to give in to the temptation

of the vanity and materialism of the false-ego.
 Quoting: Phalidity


and the winner goes to......

thank you for your insight. this is more or less what i have come to learn, just needed to know that there are some sane and knowledgeable people out there.

Many can learn from this. peace
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


It is from a film entitled Kymatica by Ben Stewart.
 Quoting: Phalidity




Nice, just downloaded it from youtube. Thanks!
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


Enjoy. It's a goodie.
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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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Without a strong sense of your spiritual self, it is easy to get caught up with “end of the world” thinking and emoting, or caught up with the various titillating notions about secret space colonies, ET’s, secret powers, ancient mysteries, or the various shadow powers. This serves little to no useful purpose except to help assure you pass on from your human life mostly as an unaware self, caught in endless “entertainments” of the matrix world. Please stop. Once you are solidly centered and oriented, it is possible to observe what is afoot in the old world and yet not get caught up in it anymore.
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Why do you have an account to a website dedicated to ET's, Secret powers, ancient mysteries and so on? How do you not get "caught up in it"? Do you practice what you preach? i can tell you that i don't, as much as i wish i could. Materialism is just sometimes fun...sheep
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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
 Quoting: ILLUMINED


Major defining characterisics:
Lucifer in heaven-before his rebellion was-a high and exalted angel.
Powerfull intellect and pride was Lucifers downfall.

"Origin of freedom and evil"
[link to groups.yahoo.com.anthroposophy_tomorrow]

hf

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Correction..

[link to anthroposophy_tomorrow.message] 46977


hf

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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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Major defining characterisics:
Lucifer in heaven-before his rebellion was-a high and exalted angel.
Powerfull intellect and pride was Lucifers downfall.

"Origin of freedom and evil"
[link to groups.yahoo.com.anthroposophy_tomorrow]

hf

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Correction..

[link to www.anthroposophy_tomorrow.message] 46977


hf

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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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Where to start lets see...
The first thing I guess you would have to understand is that everything is a vibration of energy, Yourself included are just vibrating in a certain way that bends light in a unique way which produces the image of you. Molecules or proteins whichever way you wish to look at them is folded into different structures and this structure determines its function so understand first it is about Geometrical shapes even how the body functions and looks. Really it is about the bending of light geometry bends light.

Next understand it is also about cycles. The earth is closer to the sun and cycles it in 360 days or a year. Bodies or rather I should say geometrical shapes degrades according to cycles. If from the point of view here from the Earth a planet existed that took 360 earth years to revolve around our sun the average cycle time for the degrating of the geometrical shapes would still be about 70 cycles but that would be far greater time of life from our point of view. So see geometry responds to cycles not time itself cycles determine how time is percieved.

Now you need to understand the nature of light. First let me clear this up what humans see as Dark matter and Dark energy in reality there is no darkness at all. It is actually all light waves at once and can not be percieved from any level. We know this because you can actually go into these so called dark places and bring vibrations out and then it becomes visible because you defined it and limited the vibrations within it. The very nature of light is information and interaction on atomic levels. Light must be bent to be percieved in anyway. The atmosphere around the earth bends light so it is seen and percieved and that which is not bent by your atmossphere can not be percieved although it is still interacting in every way.

Now to Lucifer what you really wanted to know about. You are really a vibration and are nameless and rather known by your vibrational field which is unique to you like a figerprint on a human. The first two vibrational conscious entities birthed by the universe itself which came into existence through the implosion of what we term Prime Creator and are extensions of the all, God, prime creator whatever you term it was Ea and Ra. You can actualy say these words with the intent of holding them and can feel the vibration within them. You could say that prime creator split into two beings and endowed them with the ability to do the same. Ea extended himself into Enki who then extended himself into lucifer and since this was done Ra extended into Enlil who extended into Lucifage or vise versa really does not matter balance is always achieved. Now what I mean by extend is defined themselves even more or limited their vibrational energy into more singular form. This extension process causes the bending of light to be more intensive creating a more dense and defined self.

There is a lot more to this story and I can tell it but as I have written so much already I would like to know that your intersted in hearing it before I continue or anybody just say your interested and I will write some more in the morning.
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Science and Astrology is mutually exclusive so your question is pretty pointless.
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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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he was a boss. all angelic and that, then he took an arrow to the knee.


simple as that.
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God, according to the bible killed BILLIONS of people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




LUCIFER, his holy, killed NONE....... EVER>>>>>>>
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God Created BILLIONS of people. Lucifer created NONE. God Gives and he Takes away!
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Like afterbirth abortion?
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he was a boss. all angelic and that, then he took an arrow to the knee.


simple as that.
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That's a really sad response considering the thread got one of the most informative posts that you denigrated.
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The truth has been cloaked in myth to make it easier for the public to understand. I'm ready for the SCIENCE of it all!!!!
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Major defining characterisics:
Lucifer in heaven-before his rebellion was-a high and exalted angel.
Powerfull intellect and pride was Lucifers downfall.

"Origin of feedom and evil"
[link to groups.yahoo.com.anthroposophy_tomorrow]

hf

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No man hath come to earth that hasn't come from heaven. What does that say about you?
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Why do you want to know?

You did everything perfect for eternity...all existence was in ave when they saw you Lucifer...the one next to GOD....Your GOD made you free and perfect..you loved your creator...What is this?!?!?!?
God reveals His Son!?!?! But ..But you as Lucifer at the top of his creation..you know it ..you know that "this son" is nothing better than you in substance.....but now he placed in between you Lucifer and your creator.... your anger...your pain ...your shame makes you blind...your blindness brings darkness in your sight...you are no more part of LIGHT....you become outcast....some angels follow you..because they understand and support your reasons.....

So..you dwell in outer darkness ...away from your creator away from light...but free and Lord of your destiny.....

What is this.....glimmer of light in a middle of your domain...
You see creation of universe...and on beautiful blue planet you see Lord creating something out of mud/atoms/matter....you see this vessel become alive and eternal..just like you ....and your anger at your creator and his creation "MAN" grows even more because you realize your no more Lucifer...but you become a simple tool ...in creating perfect friend of GOD....a man..with all the legalities covered by perfect lamb sacrifice.

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