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NZ Maori are Cannibals

 
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so OP--they don't want to eat your WHOLE head---just the brains

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lol

they think by eating a white mans brain it will make them smarter?
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I wouldn't want to eat yours, shit for brains.
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locals haahaahaaaahaaaaa up near Mackinaw Island in the Straits there is a little island called Skull Island 10-20,000 skulls in a cave there as that was the part that the local indians didn't eat

and that is something that the government here in Michigan makes darn sure you don't learn about
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Though the New Zealanders do not conceal their cannibalism, their chiefs sometimes endeavour to excuse themselves for it. ‘The fish of the sea eat one another,’ they say; ‘ the large fish eat the small ones, the small ones eat insects; dogs eat men and men eat dogs, while dogs eat one another; finally, the gods devour other gods. Why, among enemies, should we not eat one another?’[end quote]


Captain Cook was revolted by what he saw of the cannibalism and wrote about it. Wrote about the week long orgies of feasting on the bodies of inter-tribal warfare. Wrote about how at the end of the feast, the women went about gathering the heads and other uneaten remains of victims, to take back to the camps

The whites also wrote about it and were sickened by the extent of the cannibalism. Hundreds of white missionaries risked (and often lost) their lives trying to persuade the maories to stop killing and eating each other

It's part of history. Granted, it's a history the joos have been doing their best to purge from NZ's history, in the interests of granting 'maori land rights' which the joos will then buy and exploit. Those maoris who squander their lands for a few casks of cheap booze will betray the next generations in the same way the Oz aborigines were easily persuaded to do

Look, facts are facts. Just because the facts were withheld from you -- just because you don't know the truth -- does not eradicate the truth. The truth remains true. And people are putting that truth out there now, backed by solid evidence

Fighting the truth is as doomed to failure as attempts to fight the tide. If you're maori and they've kept the truth about your ancestors from you, you should be fighting to learn MORE, instead of trying to silence the truth in forums

The greater the attempt to silence truth -- the more truth seems to emerge

So embrace the truth. Face it. Think about it. And acknowledge that by killing and eating New Zealand's original Celtic inhabitants, the maoris destroyed a vastly superior culture and plunged themselves even deeper into primitivism. At the same time, the maoris so admired the fair-haired original inhabitants' CELTIC designs and symbols, they adopted them as their own. When clearly, the world realised the tattoos on maori faces - and on their artifacts --- are the fingerprints, the heritage, of the northern europeans they killed and ate

As they say though, imitiation is the sincerest form of flattery

So vist the links I provided and learn the facts, the truth.

Because those facts and that truth are contained in CDs and books which people worldwide are buying and studying. No amount of desperate denials can eradicate the truth. And that truth is --- that a vastly superior WHITE culture pre-dated the maori

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I AM MAORI, I WAS BORN IN NZ, LIVE IN NZ. THERE ARE VERY FEW 100% FULL BLOODED MAORIS LEFT IN NZ. SOME SAY NONE AT ALL. FOR A SHORT TIME I LIVED IN PAPUA NEW GUINEA AND I MUST ADMIT THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME IN MY LIFE I HAVE EVER MEET CANNIBALS, REAL CANNIBALS WHO EXIST TODAY. IN NZ THERE ARE NONE.
JUST BECAUSE A COMMENT IS MADE DOESN'T MAKE SOMEONE A CANNIBAL. HONESTLY YOU ARE A TOTAL WASTE OF OXYGEN AND PERHAPS YOU SHOULD COME STAY ON THE MARAE, ANY MARAE FOR THAT FACT TO WAKEN UP YOUR LITTLE MIND OF WHAT A IDIOT YOU ARE MAKING STATEMENTS LIKE THIS POST OF YOURS. IT IS SLANDEROUS AND RACIST AND LACKING IN ANY SUBSTANCE. SURE SOME MAORI ATE THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS OF NZ AOTEAROA WHEN THEY ARRIVED AND THEN SOME OF THE INVADERS AFTERWARDS. TE RAUPARAHA ATE THE TRIBES HE FOUGHT WITH, BUT MAN THAT WAS SO LONG AGO AND IN THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS UNHEARD OF. ENGLISH CAME TO NZ AND TAUGHT MAORI FALSE INFO LIKE WHAT PLANTS TO EAT - WHICH WERE POISONOUS AND KILLED MANY, HOW TO DRINK ALCOHOL AND SMOKE TOBACCO - ALSO TO CREATE DEATHS, HOW TO FIGHT OTHERS TRIBES WITH MUSKETS - MORE DEATHS, LASTLY SLAUGHTERED MANY MAORI WITH THEIR ARMIES. THE MAORI DIDN'T EAT THEM FOR IT AND STILL DON'T. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, WHERE DID YOU ORIGINATE FROM? ONE OF THE LATER INVADERS WHO STOLE THE LAND AND TOOK OVER THE COUNTRY? ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO NEED TO OPEN YOUR MIND TO HOW THE MAORI HAVE BEEN TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF JUST LIKE ABORIGINALS AND NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS BY THE EUROPEAN SETTLERS OF PAST. NOW WE ARE ALL ONE PEOPLE AND NEED TO LOVE AND ACCEPT EACH OTHER INSTEAD OF THIS STUPID AND INSULTING WAY WE HUMANS (AND YOU) TREAT EACH OTHER TODAY WITH INSULTING WORDS.
GOD BLESS YOUR TINY MIND.
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"Here is a list of whats and whys?

What happened to the remains of short 4 foot tall people (utensils and all) uncovered by a landslide in the Kaimanawas? Why are such remains, and skeletons, usually handed to Maori, or carefully slipped out of the public arena into oblivion?

What happened to the tall seven foot plus, skeletons found in a rock cave, to which the entrance was conveniently detonated to cover up the evidence? What about the grave of a tall warrior wearing full armour?

Why are authorities now vociferously trying to deny the facts that confirm and prove the Moriori were not Maori?

Why are early Portuguese artifacts, Phonecian artifacts (or are they Carthaginian?), Celtic and Viking artifacts deliberately destroyed or handed to local Maori Iwi for displosal BEFORE legitimate scientific analysis, genetic DNA fingerfrinting and carbon dating can be done?

Why are all the strange wrecks around New Zealand, ignored, re-buried, destroyed, and not investigated properly?

Where did all the ancient fruit trees around the Kaipara harbour come from? Local lore has it that they have been there from the beginning!

Why are ancient Maori oral records about earlier peoples ignored, hidden, or conveniently supressed, yet equally oral records about land claims are accepted as gospel?

Why do so many early skeletons have characteristics that are definately non-maori (or even any sort of polynesian), when found, simply get handed straight to Iwi who immediatelty secret them away for destructive or secretive disposal?

Why are thousands of pre-Maori sites deliberately being engulfed by Maori claims under covert procedures processed by the Treaty of Waitangi tribunal? Or "by arrangement" with local bodies. or DOC or environmental and government cultural organisations?

Why was Capt. Cook using Portuguese charts when he visited NZ for the first time? Why did these charts show Cook Straight as Portuguese Pass? Why did the map have Portuguse names assigned to various east coast features and places? Why do the East Coast Maori look so Portuguese yet no research is funded to link the facts to the present historical understanding of our country?

Why are numerous constructed stone walls around the country simply written off as "natural rock formations and features"?

Why are strange writings, glyphs, and the like on rocks abounding in waterways and coasts not widely acknowledged as being pre-Maori and associated with known cultures and examples in the old world? Why are Maori given control over waterways where such items are found? Do Maori have or deserve exclusive rights to everything?

Do the Patu pai-arehe people still inhabit remote parts of our country? Some reports, suppressed or ignored of course, indicate they may still be there. Turehu? Te Roroa? Waitaha? there are many names for pre-Maori peoples. Maori elders know this, but avoid giving out the truth or deliberately convey opposite or missinformation about so many things if given a chance.

Why do so many so called Maori designs reflect a strong celtic influence? Were they borrowed from their Celtic predecessors? Or is it that Celtic design and Maori design had a common origin?

Why is "old Maori" suggested to have similarity to much older Celtic languages or an earlier common language? Why do so many place so called Maori place names have such similarity to Gaelic and Celtic language root sounds and meanings? "Tara" in Taranaki is a normal celtic Gaelic term for a place of significance. eg. Tara in Ireland. Can some ancient Gaelic and Celtic scholar investigate the so called Maori place names of NZ and give us insight into their origins? Modern spellings for Maori may inadvertantly conceal linguistic links or borrowed words. Dialectic variance may also add to the puzzle.

Why are some Maoris so scared of the truth? Loss of mana? Mana built on lies and deceit is rubbish! It will be a curse on them. Mana built on willing honesty and truth is far more valuable and beneficial. For people unfamiliar with the NZ term "mana". Mana is a term which covers a multitude of attributes about or concerning the worth of an individual, a family, a tribe etc. It encompasses such as charisma, esprite de corps, social worth, spiritual worth, general standing from personal and public perspectives, power in person, over family, associates, tribe, society, and also in influence over people, things, and events. Consequently there are varying degrees of mana. It can be gained, inherited, or lost.

Why are so many megalithic sites around the country being destroyed? Why is their existence unrecognised, ignored, or even denied ? Why do Maori deny any access to such sites even though public road/access ways exist? Standover tactics forcibly dissuade legitimate investigation.

Why did Maori once admit many many relics, skeletons etc, were "not theirs" or "not of our kind". Why is everything pre-the late 1700's or early 1800's now considered of Maori origin, or assumed to be so, and passed unquestioningly to Maori Iwi?

Why are stone cities kept secret? Why are pine plantations planted to cover and destroy such sites? Cattle, then bull-dozers and forestry logging operations break up, destroy and obliterate valuable ancient sites. Should trees should be removed from old archaeologically significant sites to protect them from obscurity and damage by root systems?

What could Kaiiwi lake reveal, in name and in it's lake bed?

What will happen when ancient 12th century Christian Scottish / Viking settlements are revealed?. Will the documents that record these settlements soon be accepted? Will international courts recognise the validity of claims that will arise as descendants request compensation, or make land claims against Maori and the NZ Government? Will the Maori eventually pay for the rapine, murder and cannibalism and other heinous atrocities? The Moriori have equal rights to make such claims, in spite of a deliberate Government cover up of Moriori society. So too the Waitaha have unresolved claims.

Why is not DNA fingerprinting done on dried heads returned to NZ after being reclaimed from overseas? Why are so many of these heads not of true Maori origin (except possibly having been orginally sold by them?) Many of these show Celtic and Portuguese features. Poor unfortunates perhaps from previous cannibalistic atrocities.

DNA research into Moa hunters reveals polynesian traits, but is that what the researchers were looking for? Did they deliberately or inadvertantly overlook other hybrid traits? Was it just one result that satisfies current opinion at the expense of other anomalous records at other sites aged in the same historical periods?

Unless Maori and the NZ Government come clean and put the records straight, any perception of real or accrued mana will be totally stripped from them and they will become a broken people for all time. Or they can join the rest of NZ on an equal footing and become just one people of a modern and enlightened NZ populace. Let the truth be known!

Why is Te Papa a grand deception, designed to project a deviant bias of what "our place" is? Why are we not permitted to know the truths about the history of NZ?

Just who's head is it?


[link to www.kilts.co.nz]


Then go to the link and look at the red-haired skull

Then look at a maori skull

And that's ALL you need to realise how much truth has been locked away for political, financial and other reasons


Now, that truth is out there

and it's not going away
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Go to this site and have your mind blown

[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]

Evidence -- cold hard evidence -- for pre-maori civilization and culture in New Zealand

that's PRE maori, folks

undeniable proof (quite apart from the fact it's a matter of historical record that the maori freely admitted to white settlers in New Zealand, that when they arrived in NZ, it was already inhabited by a fair haired, fair-eyed, fair-skinned race -- which the maori systematically stalked, killed, ate, enslaved )


Guess today's maoris are going to have to claim their maori ancestors were liars, huh ?


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[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]


[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]


[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]


[link to www.celticnz.co.nz]


[link to www.kaimaiview.co.nz]


[link to www.kaimaiview.co.nz]


[link to www.kaimaiview.co.nz]


[link to www.kaimaiview.co.nz]




Entire libraries filled with more for those with the will to learn

(those unwilling to learn are described as the living-dead)
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Proof is in the pudding so to speak..

A favourite saying for an irate Maori is "pokokohua" meaning " I want to Boil your Head" . It is the Ultimate insult among maori as it refers to the Head as FOOD..

Try and Debunk that! We have a Maori political party here (not white"nazi" not Idian not chinese not pacific islander even though they represent equal numbers of people here. Soon Cannibalism will be law here..WTF is going on in New Zealand?? Anyone who is Maori care to put in their 2 cents worth without trying to eat me??

Please debate..
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tlr4 tlr4 tlr4

Relax; you're quite safe.....the year is now 2011 and believe you me we aren't interested in the slightest in making a "boil up" out of your freaken head!!

tlr30 tlr30 tlr30
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I suppose the old white ways of being hung drawn and quartered were so much more refined. Get over yourself every race has its violent histories.

You are just a racist op.
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QUOTE: " Maori cannibalism was widespread throughout New Zealand until the mid 1800s but has largely been ignored in history books, says the author of a new book released this week.

Paul Moon said his new book, This Horrid Practice, looked at the Maori tradition of eating each other in what was a particularly violent society before Europeans arrived in New Zealand.

Cannibalism lasted for several hundred years until the 1830s although there were a few isolated cases after that, said Professor Moon, a Pakeha history professor at Te Ara Poutama, the Maori Development Unit at the Auckland University of Technology.

He also said infanticide was also widely practised because tribes wanted men to be warriors and mothers often killed their female daughters by smothering them or pushing a finger through the soft tissue of the skull to kill them immediately.

He said the widespread practice of cannibalism was not a food issue but people were eaten often as part of a post-battle rage. Enemies were often captured and killed later to be eaten or killed because of a minor transgression.

"Rather than disposing of the body it was prepared to be eaten," he said.

Part of the practice was also to send a warning to other tribes.

"One of the arguments is really if you want to punish your enemy killing them is not enough. If you can chop them up and eat them and turn them into excrement that is the greatest humiliation you can impose on them."

Prof Moon said historians often said Maori were not cannibals and based their findings on European standards.

"The amount of evidence is so overwhelming it would be unfair to pretend it didn't happen. It is too important to ignore," said Prof Moon.

The head of the Maori Studies Department at Auckland University, Professor Margaret Mutu, who had not read Prof Moon's book, said cannibalism was widespread throughout New Zealand.

"It was definitely there. It's recorded in all sorts of ways in our histories and traditions, a lot of place names refer to it.

"It was part of our culture."
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[link to www.stuff.co.nz]
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I would love to live in peace with them ...They are the ones who want everyone out and are trying to claim all the seaside land and relevent water to themselves hense blocking access to the sea for the general public..this is crazy. On top of that they want to eat us if we try to debate it..check the news for boiled head
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maybe your people shouldn't have gone there in the first place.

Honestly, how audacious that you occupy a foreign land and forcibly subjugate its population, and then start bitching about their culture and behavior.
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And another new book details maori cannibalism


QUOTE: " Cannibalism was the regular practice in Maori wars. Human flesh was an important part of the food supply of war parties. The bodies were cut up with obsidian flakes and then cooked on heated stones which were laid in pits in the ground.

Sometimes, flesh was kept as a supply for the journey. Such meat would first be boned, then dried and packed in flax baskets; alternatively, it was potted in fat in gourds.

Prisoners were sometimes taken alive, tied together with flax ropes and kept on the hoof for future slaughter and use."
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[link to teaohou.natlib.govt.nz]
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I would love to live in peace with them ...They are the ones who want everyone out and are trying to claim all the seaside land and relevent water to themselves hense blocking access to the sea for the general public..this is crazy. On top of that they want to eat us if we try to debate it..check the news for boiled head
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maybe your people shouldn't have gone there in the first place.

Honestly, how audacious that you occupy a foreign land and forcibly subjugate its population, and then start bitching about their culture and behavior.
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You're obviously clueless

and you haven't bothered to read any posts in this thread


OR -- you're choosing to only read certain posts


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Because if you HAD read the posts

OR if you'd paid the OP the courtesy of following the copious links provided

YOU WOULD REALISE

THAT IT WAS THE MAORI WHO WERE THE INTERLOPERS AND INVADERS


WOULDN'T YOU ?


IF YOU'D BOTHERED TO LEARN ANYTHING AT ALL

YOU WOULD KNOW BY NOW

THAT THE MAORI

INVADED THE PEACEFUL

FAIR SKINNED

FAIR HAIRED

FAIR EYED

SUPERIOR CULTURE

WHICH ALREADY EXISTED PRIOR TO THE THE MAORI INVASIONS !


So all you've achieved here

is to advertise your ignorance

well done !


Oh, and by the way --- unpaid member of Megaphone, are you ?

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Meat on the Table - Maori Cannibalism Revisited


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'Battle rage' fed Maori cannibalism



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QUOTE:

" A combination of eye witness accounts, tribal oral histories and archaeological evidence, in which human bones sometimes turn up in middens along with fish and bird bones and other remnants of meals, all leave no doubt in his mind cannibalism took place.

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It's the 'politically correct' version

Otherwise, the author wouldn't sell any books, would he ?

And he might even end up dead
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" Calm light airs from the north all day on the 23rd November hindered us from putting out to sea as intended.

In the afternoon, some of the officers went on shore to amuse themselves among the natives, where they saw the head and bowels of a youth, who had been lately killed, lying on the beach, and the heart stuck on a forked stick which was fixed on the head of one of the largest canoes. One of the gentlemen bought the head and brought it on board, where a piece of the flesh was broiled and eaten by one of the natives, before all the officers and most of the men.

I was on shore at this time, but soon after returning on board was informed of the above circumstances, and found the quarter-deck crowded with the natives, and the mangled head, or rather part of it (for the under-jaw and lips were wanting), lying on the taffrail. The skull had been broken on the left side, just above the temples, and the remains of the face had all the appearance of a youth under twenty."


" One of the cannibals thereupon bit and gnawed the human arm which Banks had picked up, drawing it through his mouth and showing by signs that the flesh to him was a dainty bit.

Tupia carried on the conversation: ‘Where are the heads?’ he asked. ‘Do you eat them too?’ ‘Of the heads,’ answered an old man, ‘we eat only the brains.’ Later he brought on board Endeavour four of the heads of the seven victims.
The hair and flesh were entire, but we perceived that the brains had been extracted. The flesh was soft, but had by some method been preserved from putrefaction, for it had no disagreeable smell...


" [Touai, a New Zealand chief who was brought to London in 1818 and resided there for a long time, becoming ‘almost civilized’]

confessed in his moments of nostalgia that what he most regretted in the country from which he was absent was the feast of human flesh, the feast of victory. He was weary of eating English beef; he claimed that there was a great analogy between the flesh of the pig and that of man.

This last declaration he made before a sumptuously served table. The flesh of women and children was to him and his fellow-countrymen the most delicious, while certain Maories prefer that of a man of fifty, and that of a black rather than that of a white. His countrymen, Touai said, never ate the flesh raw, and preserved the fat of the rump for the purpose of dressing their sweet potatoes...


" The bones of chiefs are very carefully gathered up, and from them they construct knives, fish-hooks, arrow-points, and points for lances and javelins, as well as ornaments for the toilet.

I possess some fish-hooks pointed with very sharp fragments of human bone.

Sometimes they detach the hand and the forearm and dry them at a fire of aromatic herbs. The muscles and tendons of the fingers contract so that the whole forms a hook, which they place in their huts for the suspension of baskets and weapons. I have seen several of these used as clothes-pegs.

They utilize the remnants of the corpse in this manner in order to cause the family of the chief who is no more to feel that, even after death, he is still the slave of the victor. Before the feast of victory, each warrior drinks the blood of the enemy he has killed with his own hand.


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From Captain Cook's diaries

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" After battle comes the terrible and revolting episode of the cannibal feast. It is unfortunately impossible to pass it over without notice, for Maori history is too full of allusion and incident connected with the practice for us to avoid mention of description of some of its horrors.

Prisoners taken in the fight were slain in cold blood, except those reserved for slavery – a mark of still greater contempt than being killed for food. Sometimes after the battle a few of the defeated were thrust alive into large food-baskets and thus degraded for ever. As a general rule, however, they were slain for the oven."



" How numerous sometimes these war captives were may be judged by the fact that when Hongi returned from his raid on the southern tribes he brought back 2,000 prisoners to the Bay of Islands.

One of the latest cannibal feats of consequence was held at Ohariu, near Wellington, when 150 of the Muaupoko tribe went into the ovens.

When the Maoris overcame the gentle Morioris of the Chatham Islands, not only did they keep the captives penned up like live-stock waiting to be killed and eaten, but one of the leading chiefs of the invaders ordered a meal of six children at once to be cooked to regale his friends.

I was shown a part of a beach on the Chatham Islands on which the bodies of eighty Moriori women were laid side by side, each with an impaling stake driven into the abdomen. It is difficult for one not accustomed to savage warfare to note how shockingly callous and heartless this desecration of the human body made the actors in these terrible scenes...


****** " A Maori relating an account of an expedition said, incidentally: ‘On the way I was speaking to a red-haired girl who had just been caught out in the open.

We were then on the eastern side of Maunga Whau, Auckland. My companions remained with the girl whilst I went to see the man of Waikato who had been killed.

As we came back, I saw the head of the red-haired girl lying in the ferns by the side of the track.

Further on, we overtook one of the Waihou men carrying a back-load of the flesh, which he was taking to our camp to cook for food. The arms of the girl were round his neck, whilst the body was on his back.’


If one can mentally picture the scene, with the man striding along, carrying the headless, disembowelled trunk of the naked girl, enough of this kind of horror will have been evoked... " ******
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Edward Tregear, The Maori Race, New Zealand, 1904

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Op you are just a shit stirrer. Trying to create issues where there are none.
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Op you are just a shit stirrer. Trying to create issues where there are none.
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I agree
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" When the bodies could not all be eaten, some of the flesh was stripped from the bones and dried in the sun, being hung on stages for that purpose. The flesh was then gathered into baskets and oil was poured over it, the oil being rendered-down from the bodies; this was done to prevent it spoiling from damp. Sometimes the flesh was potted into calabashes, as birds were potted. The bones were broken up and burnt in the fire. The body of a chief might be flayed, and the skin dried for covering hoops or boxes. The heads of the inferior chiefs were smashed and burnt, but those of the great were preserved by smoking. Sometimes the bones were broken and knocked like nails into the posts of the storehouses – a great indignity.

Bones were also taken away to be made into fish-hooks, or as barbs for bird or eel spears. The hands were dried with the fingers bent towards the palm, and the wrists were tied to a pole which was stuck into the ground, and baskets containing the remains of a meal were hung upon the fingers. Some of the Ngapuhi tribe were treated this way early this century. The hands were fastened to the walls of a house, with the wrists upwards and fingers turned up as hooks. The hands had been roasted until the outer skin had come off. The palms were quite white inside....

If the deceased had been a great chief, care was taken to degrade every part of the skeleton. The thigh-bones were made into flutes, or cut into sections that could be worked into rings for the legs of captive parrots. From other bones would be made pins for holding the dress-mats together, or needles for sewing dogskin mats. The skull might even be used as a water-vessel for carrying water in, for wetting ovens. But chiefs' heads were carried back to be erected on posts so that they might be taunted, or fixed on the corner sticks of a loom to be mocked by a women as she sat weaving. In fact, no method of showing contempt, especially of defiling the remains of the defeated by associating them with food, was spared.

Sometimes the heart of the vanquished was roasted for ceremonial purposes. When the Kaiapoi stronghold was attacked by the forces of Rauparaha, the heart of a chief of the defending party was cut out and roasted in a fire, while all the attacking warriors stretched out their arms towards the heart while it was cooking. When the priests ended their chant, the warriors took up the song, while the chief priest tore off a portion of the heart and threw it among the enemy to weaken them.

The heart of a victim of sacrifice was not always eaten for war purposes. Sometimes it was for other reasons. Thus Uenuku ate the heart of his wife, who had committed adultery. The heart of the human sacrifice was eaten at a house-building ceremony, and also at the tattooing of the lips of a chief's daughter and at the felling of a tree to be used for a great chief's canoe."

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Edward Tregear, The Maori Race, New Zealand, 1904


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Op you are just a shit stirrer. Trying to create issues where there are none.
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Just for the record. This was my post.
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You noted this --- didn't you --- in an above post ?


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" A MAORI relating an account of an expedition said,

incidentally: ‘On the way I was speaking to a red-haired girl who had just been caught out in the open.

We were then on the eastern side of Maunga Whau, Auckland. My companions remained with the girl whilst I went to see the man of Waikato who had been killed.

As we came back, I saw the head of the red-haired girl lying in the ferns by the side of the track.

Further on, we overtook one of the Waihou men carrying a back-load of the flesh, which he was taking to our camp to cook for food. The arms of the girl were round his neck, whilst the body was on his back.’
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A MAORI SAID IT

A MAORI




The deniers want to claim the MAORI was 'just shit stirring' too ?
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" A young Maori convert, of ‘a particularly gentle and lovable disposition, very shy – even timid, and extremely popular with everyone at the mission where he was employed...

One day he happened to meet a young girl who had run away for some reason from her home in a neighbouring village.

The young Maori suddenly became possessed of an unaccustomed demon. He seized the young girl, took her to his hut, killed her in cold blood; cut up her body in the traditional manner, and then invited his friends to partake with him in a meal, the chief and most favoured dish of which consisted on this young Maori girl.’

A. P. Rice in The American Antiquarian, vol. XXXII, 1910


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I suppose the old white ways of being hung drawn and quartered were so much more refined. Get over yourself every race has its violent histories.

You are just a racist op.
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That wasn't the white race, it was the Roman Church And it was also Spain who subjugated the Native Americans in all of the Americas, for the Roman Church. Columbus was a Roman Catholic. This character Cook probably was also.

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Proof is in the pudding so to speak..

A favourite saying for an irate Maori is "pokokohua" meaning " I want to Boil your Head" . It is the Ultimate insult among maori as it refers to the Head as FOOD..

Try and Debunk that! We have a Maori political party here (not white"nazi" not Idian not chinese not pacific islander even though they represent equal numbers of people here. Soon Cannibalism will be law here..WTF is going on in New Zealand?? Anyone who is Maori care to put in their 2 cents worth without trying to eat me??

Please debate..
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most races in their early history were canibals.
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" None of those taken prisoner were killed, nor were any of those killed on shore cooked on board, nor in the cooking-vessels belonging to the ship.

All the bodies were cooked on shore in the primitive Maori fashion of the day. They dig a hole in the earth two feet deep, in which they make a quantity of round stones red-hot with dry wood, after which they take out all the stones except a few at the bottom, over which they lay several alternate tiers of leaves and flesh, until there is as much above the ground as below. They then throw about two or three quarts of water over all, and confine the steam with old mats and earth so completely that in 20 minutes the flesh is cooked; it is in this way that they cook and cure all their provisions.

The prisoners, the dead and alive flesh, were brought ashore and seated in rows on the beach, the preserved flesh being carried off in baskets to the place appointed for the cannibal feast. It was estimated that about one hundred baskets of flesh were landed, and that each basket contained the equivalent of one human body. Then commenced a dance which was described by an eye-witness:

The warriors, entirely naked, their long black hair, although matted with human gore, yet flowing partially in the wind; in the left hand a human head and in the right hand a bayoneted musket held by the middle of the barrel. Thus, with a song, the terrible expression of which can only be imagined by being heard, did they dance round their wretched victims, every now and then approaching them with gestures, threatening death under its most horrible forms of lingering torture.

The captives, with the exception of one old man and a boy who were sentenced to death, were apportioned amongst the conquering warriors as slaves. The tables were laid. About a hundred baskets of potatoes, a large supply of green vegetables, and equal quantities of whale-blubber and human flesh, constituted the awful menu. The old man, from whose neck suspended the head of his son, while the body formed part of the cannibal feast, was brought forth and subjected to torture from the women before the last scene of all.

The banquet went on to a finish, and, though it proved none the less attractive to the participants, was rendered all the more hideous to the onlookers by the fact that the midsummer season when it took place, added to the hasty and incomplete manner in which the human flesh had been prepared in the ovens, caused the human – yet inhuman- food to become putrid in a most revolting form before it was spread out for the banquet. Officers of the boat witnessed this frightful orgy, and some of them brought to Hobart Town mementoes of the scene, dissected from the bodies as they lay out for the repast.
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Garry Hogg, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice, pp. 197-199

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Maori are canabils and they also expect handouts .Hard to deny the facts. The yare leading NZ into ruin with their 50% unemployment purley because the benifit is enough to support them on their free land. Were the average NZr on a benifit can pay their rent on not much more. They disgrace me .

Always when you see them on the footpath they have a snide remark for the Whit man even tho they do not know you in person. Pure racisim. I would much rather be living with the Asian, Indian and Polynesian than the Maori. The Maori are a theif through and through. They will steal anything not bolted down purely because they think they are Owed somthing. About time they joined the Human race
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NEWSFLASH:

All humans have been cannibals at various points in history.
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NEWSFLASH:

All humans have been cannibals at various points in history.
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yea like Vlad the impaler who was Romanian.





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