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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | zazzman, “Boeing has never used DU on either the 757 or the 767, and we no longer use it on the 747,” Leslie M. Nichols, product spokesperson for Boeing’s 767, told AFP. “Sometime ago, we switched to tungsten, because it is heavier, more readily available and more cost effective.” "DU is used in a wide variety of missiles in the U.S. arsenal as an armor penetrator. It is also used in the bunker-buster bombs and cruise missiles. Because no photographic evidence of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon is available to the public, 9-11 skeptics and independent researchers claim something else, such as a missile, struck the Pentagon. A white flash, not unlike those seen in videos of the planes as they struck the twin towers, occurs when a DU penetrator hits a target. Photographs from the Pentagon reveal that large round holes were punched through six walls in the three outer rings. The outside wall is 24 inches thick with a six-inch limestone exterior, eight inches of brick and 10 inches of steel reinforced concrete; the other walls are 18 inches thick. The object that hit the Pentagon on 9-11 penetrated several feet of reinforced concrete, leaving holes with diameters between 11 and 16 feet." [link to www.americanfreepress.net] |
| Nevaeh (NLI) (OP) 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for posting this rrick. I went out online & read some other peoples sites who had pictures & statements of what they have found in their research. I have to say it sure makes alot of sense. But what is bewildering to me is that people takes someone elses word for it instead of going to take a look & come to their own conclusions. And they always hop right in, with name calling, BEFORE they even check it out. I don´t understand that logic. I realize that oppinions are like assholes & we all have one but that doesn´t mean that we their is some contest to see who IS the BIGGEST asshole. On another note ~ wouldn´t the people that were near when the explosion hit the pentagon be suffering from the effects of DU by now? Does anyone have any information on the people that were in the building or the firefighters that fought the fires in any of the 9/11 acts??? How would one go about finding out about THESE people? If it was DU then shouldn´t the people who were in the area begin to show symptoms of such a thing? Have you heard anything on any of the people near any of these that are beginning to show signs? How long does it take before the effects become noticable? Sorry lots of questions but I am really curious & I would like to come to my OWN conclusions AFTER taking a look at the evidence that is available. |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "more cost effective.” The Boeing representative did not say "cheaper." The exact words were "more cost effective." This means when they take all risk management, transportation, liability, and handling considerations in to account tungston could very well be "more cost effective." They also have to consider all of the above with respect to disposal after the life cycle of the plane is expended. Permanent, secure, disposal for a radioactive material with a half life of 4.5 billion years is probably a bit pricey. When you figure all of the above in tungston is probably "more cost effective." |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "A hole 11-16 feet in diameter? If a missle, you´re talking about something as big as a Saturn 5." "The Saturn V is arguably one of the most impressive machines in human history. Over 110 m high and 10 m in diameter..." [link to en.wikipedia.org] That´s about 33 feet in diameter. I think we can rule out the Saturn V theory. |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 764, Agreed. Comparrison not theory. When you consider the way in which steel reinforced concrete and masonry structures fail in response to impact loads it´s possible that the diameter of the hole will be larger than the diameter of the object hitting it. A good example is if you have ever watched a 3 foot diameter wrecking ball hit a brick or a concrete wall, the hole it makes is larger than the diameter of the wrecking ball itself. I´ve observed cases where a 3 foot diameter wrecking ball will take out 10 to 15 feet of masonry wall with one strike, sometimes more. |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The bigger question is, How much DU would be required to raise the radioactivity 10X at 12 miles? What could carry that much DU? Why haven´t 747 crashes been reported as causing major radioactive contamination? |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 11279, Good question. I´m not a radiation expert so I´m not sure as to the degree of certainty that radiation readings can be pinned down at distance. Being downwind Dr.Sherman was probably picking up an increase in the amount of airborne radioactive particulate matter. As I recall from reading, Moret´s speciallity is tracking airborne particulate matter, and radioactive particles specifically. Dr. Sherman reports geiger counter readings at 8 to 10 times the normal amount downwind 12 miles from the Pentagon on 9/11/2001. The passage below is disturbing as Dr. Sherman made the appropriate notifications after taking readings. It also indicates that other radiation experts corroborated her findings at the crash site itself. “Dr. Sherman, who is well-respected radiation expert herself, then went about contacting the proper authorities in order to try and alert emergency responders of the radiation risk at the Pentagon crash site. And we have also kept photos of the Geiger counter readings in order to verify what Dr. Sherman found 12 miles away.” After notifying the Nuclear Industrial Safety Agency (NIRS), experts from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the FBI were alerted and according to Moret, radiation experts later confirmed high radiation levels at the Pentagon crash site possibly from the presence from depleted uranium or other unknown causes." |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Why haven´t 747 crashes been reported as causing major radioactive contamination?" 764, That´s also part of the cost effectiveness statement made by the Boeing representative with repect to tungsten vs. DU. The liability and public relations costs could be large at 747 crash sites. With respect to crash sites it´s probably never been thought about - Boeing didn´t publicize that they were using DU counterweights on the 747. So it was easy to hush up for awhile. If you Google "Boeing 747+DU counterweights" you will get numerous hits concerning crash site contamination. Found the following interesting clip: [link to www.nrc.gov] Clip: "The 747 airplane program utilized DU weights for mass balance of outboard elevator and upper rudder assemblies on the first 550 aircraft built. This equates to approximately 12,000 cast parts and a total mass of DU in excess of 200 tons. Depending upon the model, each aircraft had either 21 or 31 weights. At each major aircraft overhaul (about 4 to 5 years), it was anticipated that over 20% of these weights would be corroded to where they required reprocessing. This condition was considered to present an unnecessary maintenance burden on the 747 operators. Aside from the high corrosion rate, the weights were extremely difficult to transport with only one recognized reprocessing source in the world." |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If DU was released the sites should be contaminated. It looks like a cover-up to me. It will probably take and independent team of radiation experts to actually verify the presence of DU at these sites. Clip from and article concerning a 747 crash in Halifax, NS: Depleted Uranium Released During Canadian Plane Crash Little-Known Use of DU in Commercial Jets Exposed By Christopher Bollyn "In 1988, American physicist Robert L. Parker wrote that in the worst-case scenario, the crash of a Boeing 747 could affect the health of 250,000 people through exposure to uranium oxide particles. “Extended tests by the Navy and NASA showed that the temperature of the fireball in a plane crash can reach 1,200 degrees Celsius. Such temperatures are high enough to cause very rapid oxidation of depleted uranium,” he wrote. “Large pieces of uranium will oxidize rapidly and will sustain slow combustion when heated in air to temperatures of about 500 degrees Celsius,” Paul Lowenstein, technical director and vice-president of Nuclear Metals Inc., the company that has supplied DU to Boeing, wrote in a 1993 article." [link to www.americanfreepress.net] The link below is to a long article about a 747 crash in Amsterdam. It´s apparent in the article that the authorities were more interested in convincing people they were safe rather than verifying and evaluating DU contamination and its extent. [link to www.laka.org] |
| nomuse (nli) (OP) 12/08/2005 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to ash.faa.gov] For a bit there this was looking like an urban legend. DU armor, such as on some heavy-armor variant Abrams tanks, is not in question. However, none of this is particularly indicative of what caused the elevated radiation levels observed by Dr. Sherman -- and I am disturbed by the seeming lack of official interest in his observations. |
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