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To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left

 
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To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
Will nuking the plant create a dirty bomb? Possibly. Will that be far better than allowing the molten material to explode upon contact with ground water? Probably.



By Dr. Tom Burnett
3-27-11


Fukushima is going to dwarf Chenobyl. The Japanese government has had a level 7 nuclear disaster going for almost a week but won't admit it.

The disaster is occurring the opposite way than Chernobyl, which exploded and stopped the reaction. At Fukushima, the reactions are getting worse. I suspect three nuclear piles are in meltdown and we will probably get some of it.

If reactor 3 is in meltdown, the concrete under the containment looks like lava. But Fukushima is not far off the water table. When that molten mass of self-sustaining nuclear material gets to the water table it won't simply cool down. It will explode ­ not a nuclear explosion, but probably enough to involve the rest of the reactors and fuel rods at the facility.

Pouring concrete on a critical reactor makes no sense ­ it will simply explode and release more radioactive particulate matter. The concrete will melt and the problem will get worse. Chernobyl was different ­ a critical reactor exploded and stopped the reaction. At Fukushima, the reactor cores are still melting down. The ONLY way to stop that is to detonate a ~10 kiloton fission device inside each reactor containment vessel and hope to vaporize the cores. That's probably a bad solution.

A nuclear meltdown is a self-sustaining reaction. Nothing can stop it except stopping the reaction. And that would require a nuclear weapon. In fact, it would require one in each containment to merely stop what is going on now. But it will be messy.

Fukushima was waiting to happen because of the placement of the emergency generators. If they had not all failed at once by being inundated by a tsunami, Fukushima would not have happened as it did ­ although it WOULD still have been a nuclear disaster. Every containment in the world is built to withstand a Magnitude 6.9 earthquake; the Japanese chose to ignore the fact that a similar earthquake had hit that same general area in 1896.

Anyway, here is the information that the US doesn't seem to want released. And here is a chart that might help with perspective.

Making matters worse is the MOX in reactor 3. MOX is the street name for 'mixed oxide fuel' which uses ~9% plutonium along with a uranium compound to fuel reactors. This is why it can be used.

The problem is that you don't want to play with this stuff. A nuclear reactor means bring fissile material to a point at which it is hot enough to boil water (in a light-water reactor) and not enough to melt and go supercritical (China syndrome or a Chernobyl incident). You simply cannot let it get away from you because if it does, you can't stop it.

The Japanese are still talking about days or weeks to clean this up. That's not true. They cannot clean it up. And no one will live in that area again for dozens or maybe hundreds of years.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
That makes so little sense it's astounding.
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That makes so little sense it's astounding.
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I'm sure you didn't even read it and I seriously doubt you are a doctor of any kind.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
It may not make sense logically, but it could be a little nugget of a prelude to future operations.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You forgot one thing in your theory. Dropping a Nuke on that unstable fault line would most likley do more harm than good.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You forgot one thing in your theory. Dropping a Nuke on that unstable fault line would most likley do more harm than good.
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It's not my theory. And you have no idea what would happen.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You forgot one thing in your theory. Dropping a Nuke on that unstable fault line would most likley do more harm than good.
 Quoting: PARANOID.


How come I feel like a 3 setillion pound fault line isn't going to effected by a tiny (in comparison to the fault line) bomb.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You forgot one thing in your theory. Dropping a Nuke on that unstable fault line would most likley do more harm than good.
 Quoting: PARANOID.


How come I feel like a 3 setillion pound fault line isn't going to effected by a tiny (in comparison to the fault line) bomb.
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It may not make sense logically, but it could be a little nugget of a prelude to future operations.
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How could pulverizing the entire contents of the reactors, plus the used fuel, plus the bombs themselves, and ejecting all that radioactive material into the stratosphere via mushroom cloud, help in any conceivable way?
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You forgot one thing in your theory. Dropping a Nuke on that unstable fault line would most likley do more harm than good.
 Quoting: PARANOID.


How come I feel like a 3 setillion pound fault line isn't going to effected by a tiny (in comparison to the fault line) bomb.
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Great point.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
ALL of you are totally Insane and very very Selfish.
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It may not make sense logically, but it could be a little nugget of a prelude to future operations.
 Quoting: Luminescent Æther


How could pulverizing the entire contents of the reactors, plus the used fuel, plus the bombs themselves, and ejecting all that radioactive material into the stratosphere via mushroom cloud, help in any conceivable way?
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It can't. What I'm saying is that before they conduct any direct action, they plant the existence of the idea in minds of populace before hand. We must nuke a nuke reactor to ensure safety. How long until we must preemptively nuke a nuke reactor to ensure safety?
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ALL of you are totally Insane and very very Selfish.
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I'm sure you can't remember the last selfless thing you did that cost your $1,000 pounds or 100 hours.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You clowns have no idea what would happen if they nuked those plants. You are just parroting what you've heard from other parrots. I'm not saying that I know. I'm just saying that I'm 100% positive you are all talking out of your asses.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
Let me see now, lets think about this----->
Nuke a leaking nuclear reactor? Hmm nuke means explosion, explosion means crap in air, crap in air means worse radiation in air, worse radiation in air means more/quicker death/destruction.....so in short---->
WTH IS PEOPLE THINKING TALKING ABOUT NUKING AN ALL READY DANGEROUS SITUATION TO SPREAD THIS CRAP EVEN WORSE????
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
Let me see now, lets think about this----->
Nuke a leaking nuclear reactor? Hmm nuke means explosion, explosion means crap in air, crap in air means worse radiation in air, worse radiation in air means more/quicker death/destruction.....so in short---->
WTH IS PEOPLE THINKING TALKING ABOUT NUKING AN ALL READY DANGEROUS SITUATION TO SPREAD THIS CRAP EVEN WORSE????
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And what do you think will happen if the molten cores reach ground water?
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
Let me see now, lets think about this----->
Nuke a leaking nuclear reactor? Hmm nuke means explosion, explosion means crap in air, crap in air means worse radiation in air, worse radiation in air means more/quicker death/destruction.....so in short---->
WTH IS PEOPLE THINKING TALKING ABOUT NUKING AN ALL READY DANGEROUS SITUATION TO SPREAD THIS CRAP EVEN WORSE????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1278775


And what do you think will happen if the molten cores reach ground water?
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Learn physics and come to your own conclusion...
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op, you forgot the link!

your story stinks, take a flagbsflag
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You clowns have no idea what would happen if they nuked those plants. You are just parroting what you've heard from other parrots. I'm not saying that I know. I'm just saying that I'm 100% positive you are all talking out of your asses.
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Those reactors could melt down for 100 years and it wouldn't release 100% of the fuel sitting in the reactors and used fuel pools into the atmosphere.

Nuke them and you release 100% of that radioactive material, plus the bomb material, plus the thousands of tons of now-irradiated soil and pulverized rock from the bomb craters, and spread it over a far greater area than it would drift otherwise.

It's a truly insane proposition.
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You clowns have no idea what would happen if they nuked those plants. You are just parroting what you've heard from other parrots. I'm not saying that I know. I'm just saying that I'm 100% positive you are all talking out of your asses.
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Some people close to TPTB will know...but if it is a serious option, they won't talk about it until it's done....and they probably will say it was tthe doomed plant itself that caused a nuclear explosion....
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op, you forgot the link!

your story stinks, take a flagbsflag
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Why don't you paste the name into Google you lazy bastard.
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You clowns have no idea what would happen if they nuked those plants. You are just parroting what you've heard from other parrots. I'm not saying that I know. I'm just saying that I'm 100% positive you are all talking out of your asses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274441


Those reactors could melt down for 100 years and it wouldn't release 100% of the fuel sitting in the reactors and used fuel pools into the atmosphere.

Nuke them and you release 100% of that radioactive material, plus the bomb material, plus the thousands of tons of now-irradiated soil and pulverized rock from the bomb craters, and spread it over a far greater area than it would drift otherwise.

It's a truly insane proposition.
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I suppose you are right....tnx....
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You clowns have no idea what would happen if they nuked those plants. You are just parroting what you've heard from other parrots. I'm not saying that I know. I'm just saying that I'm 100% positive you are all talking out of your asses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274441


Those reactors could melt down for 100 years and it wouldn't release 100% of the fuel sitting in the reactors and used fuel pools into the atmosphere.

Nuke them and you release 100% of that radioactive material, plus the bomb material, plus the thousands of tons of now-irradiated soil and pulverized rock from the bomb craters, and spread it over a far greater area than it would drift otherwise.

It's a truly insane proposition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


Hey clown... you didn't even read the article and if you did, you obviously did not understand what the man was saying about molten cores hitting ground water.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
You clowns have no idea what would happen if they nuked those plants. You are just parroting what you've heard from other parrots. I'm not saying that I know. I'm just saying that I'm 100% positive you are all talking out of your asses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274441


Those reactors could melt down for 100 years and it wouldn't release 100% of the fuel sitting in the reactors and used fuel pools into the atmosphere.

Nuke them and you release 100% of that radioactive material, plus the bomb material, plus the thousands of tons of now-irradiated soil and pulverized rock from the bomb craters, and spread it over a far greater area than it would drift otherwise.

It's a truly insane proposition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


I suppose you are right....tnx....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 923740


Don't bow to the clowns. They have NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. Just parroting parrots and acting like they know something. ROFL!!
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you ignorant piece of shit! you made this story without any basic knowledge!
dont say I m a lazy bastard, I already google it before.
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stupid thread, OP is just trolling
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you ignorant piece of shit! you made this story without any basic knowledge!
dont say I m a lazy bastard, I already google it before.
bsflagbsflagbsflag
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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag


You are the ignorant piece of shit!! You are too lazy to Goggle anything! You have no basic knowledge to even wipe your own ass!!! And you are a lazy bastard, you lazy bastard!! You are so lazy you cannot even be bothered to capitalize letters and type proper sentences. So your opinion means LESS THAN NOTHING. ROFLMAO!!!
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stupid thread, OP is just trolling
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Spoken like a stupid troll on a good thread that is being attacked by other stupid trolls.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
I know some of you are just precumming in your whitey tighties for some kind of explosion. Either be it through meltdown or by The U.S.fucking A shooting a nuke but its just not gonna happen. So go take your breath mint selling KNIGHT OF COLUMBUS ass out of here. dickbyekitty
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: To you nuke bashers.... NUKING THE JAP PLANTS may be the ONLY option left
stupid thread, OP is just trolling
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Spoken like a stupid troll on a good thread that is being attacked by other stupid trolls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1274441


here was another one of your good threads;

Thread: Nuke FIGHTING heroes at site have TIGER BLOOD!!

chuckle your a waste of bandwidth

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