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Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.

 
Bring Back the Constitution!
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Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
What purpose does a body of laws intended to restrict the powers of government serve, when the government completely disregards those laws, and the citizens do nothing to stop it?

Law becomes pointless the moment it stops being enforced.

On March 19th, Barack Obama authorized military action against Libya in conjunction with an international coalition. The problem is, Barack Obama did not have that authority.

Attack Renews Debate Over Congressional Consent
[link to www.nytimes.com]

"President Obama is facing criticism that crosses the political divide for not seeking Congressional authorization before ordering the American military to join in attacks of Libyan air defenses and government forces."

Military action is nothing more than a euphamism for war. And the authorization of war lies solely in the hands of Congress.

War Powers Clause
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the exclusive power to declare war, in the following wording:

[Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.

Further, the War Powers act of 1973 clarified these powers of congress to declare war.

The War Powers Resolution of 1973
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The War Powers Resolution of 1973 was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

In Obama's own words, spoken to the nation last night:

Transcript of Obama speech on Libya
[link to www.upi.com]

"And so, nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973."

Notice in the above quote who authorized this military action. But, this transgression of the law is rather minor compared to news coming out of Libya the past few days. It seems America has just found itself in a serious constitutional crisis thanks to the actions of Barack Obama, and treason is on the lips of Americans today.

Obama seems to have acted in a rather hasty manner in this war, dragging America into another country to further it's own interests. But who are we helping in Libya?

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime. Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against 'the foreign invasion' in Afghanistan.

Do you understand the seriousness of this admission?

Libyan rebels, on the front lines fighting against Gaddafi's regime, previously fought AGAINST American troops in Iraq! What's more, the leader of the rebels in Libya admitted that he himself fought against America in Afghanistan! And these are the people that Obama has sent our military in to help overthrow the Libyan government! These are the very same people we have been fighting against for the past 9 years. These people are members of the very same group who has been blamed for the attack on 9-11-01 for God's sake! This is Al Qaeda that Obama is helping in Libya!

I want to be very clear on this here, our military is currently being used to support and aid our enemy's efforts to overthrow the government in Libya, thereby giving them safe-haven, increasing their military power via Libyan arms, and almost inevitably allowing them to procure the powers that come from being the ruling part of an entire country! Obama is in effect enabling Al Qaeda to position themselves to set up an extremist Islamic regime in the wake of the power vacuum created by the fall of Gaddafi, which will most certainly become a sovereign sanctuary and training ground for future generations of Islamic terrorists hell-bent on destroying "The Great Satan".

This, my friend, is treason. By the very definition of the word, this is treason. In fact, it is this very KIND of treason that our constitution defined as one of the most serious acts against our country.

Article Three, Section Three, of the United States Constitution: Treason
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Now, the KEY WORD in the above definition is "OR". Obama's actions are completely consistent with the latter part of this definition. It is well established that Al Qaeda is our enemy. And it is now public knowledge that the people we are helping in Libya are in fact, Al Qaeda. Obama has adhered to, or supported, America's enemy, by giving them aid: Enforcing the no-fly zone via bombing Gaddafi's air defenses; AND comfort: through eliminating Gaddafi's ability to strike the rebels from the air, where they were unable to effectively defend themselves.

And all this was done, not by the explicit authorization of congress, as the law requires, but by the permission of a foreign power, and ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY!

For the first time in history, a president has disregarded the constitution, circumvented congress, and acted on the orders of a foreign power to support, aid, and give comfort to an enemy of The United States of America.

Make no mistake, THIS IS TREASON.
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
Worse things happen in politics every day. The real events or reason for the military action in Lybia is important. Not if a president can bribe or convince congress with twists, promises and whishful thinking.
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
so when are Americans going to go do a citizen's arrest since the military and Congress don't have any balls?
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
Worse things happen in politics every day. The real events or reason for the military action in Lybia is important. Not if a president can bribe or convince congress with twists, promises and whishful thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068718


You ignore The Constitution just like the president does.
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
He doesn't care. He's doing the bidding of the NWO Communists.

Are we going to be pressing "1" for Esperanto?
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
Worse things happen in politics every day. The real events or reason for the military action in Lybia is important. Not if a president can bribe or convince congress with twists, promises and whishful thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068718


You ignore The Constitution just like the president does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1319840


That is pretty normal for all presidents you and I have known in our lives.
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so when are Americans going to go do a citizen's arrest since the military and Congress don't have any balls?
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bush-cheney
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He doesn't care. He's doing the bidding of the NWO Communists.

Are we going to be pressing "1" for Esperanto?
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+1
Beam Me Up, Scotty!

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03/29/2011 11:04 PM
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
The people of America aren't going to rise up against the government until it affects the populace as a whole directly with extreme consequence. America has gotten lazy. Those that rise up and protest are ignored. Peaceful protest has gotten us no where. Violent protests are small and severely looked down upon and criticized. So until tshtf the government will do as it pleases, despite what the constitution or populace says. I'm pretty sure more than just that constitutional law (the one pointed out by the OP)was broken throughout the years without people realizing. Our government is out of control.

I'm just waiting for all hell to break loose on american soil. I'd like to see how the government responds to an uprising.
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03/29/2011 11:13 PM
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
Obama passed the point of treason a long time ago. This is just another item to add to the articles of impeachment that the congress wont have the balls to even bring up.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
Only republikan Presidents are allowed to use the military? Congress never declared war on Iraq or Vietnam. Grenada, ronald reagan's "finest hour"? Poppy Bush and Panama, where 2000 civilians were killed?

I'll tell you who REALLY committed treason: bush & cheney. See Plame, Valerie.
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
You don't realize do you?

Not only does this give the American people an "Easy Win" to gain more support to the falling numbers of the other two wars, but it also gives free advertisement for our weapons industry.

This will generate 5000 jobs to create more weapons in which will also allow for the budget to remain hidden by using subcontractors. There will be a 5 year contract and there will be at least 17 nations wanting to buy the weapons we are using.

If congress wasn't for it, McCain would NOT support it. Think about it silly.

I hate to say that such information held for "National Security" is really true, but you don't have any idea how close we are from becoming completely out of the pecking order.

There is going to be a tax-cut because of this semi-war. At least, if they were smart enough to realize they would approve a tax cut. Next year they will also give most people a $450 stimulus. This will be overly advertised and widely known. It will come in check form only. It's a psychological thing. Again, if they were smart enough, they will do this.
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
Obama passed the point of treason a long time ago. This is just another item to add to the articles of impeachment that the congress wont have the balls to even bring up.
 Quoting: Resister

So Clinton should have been impeached and now Obama. And I did never hear it for Bush, but he was the most open in is discontempt for any laws that restricted him from getting the terrrrorrrissss. How Powel, Cheney and Rumsfled lied in congres and the world stage was unprecedented, at least for me.
This impeachment thing now sounds just like impeaching just for wanting to impeach, cos that's what republicans do. Anything so they can act important and not their dreaded enemy, the democrats. It is a bit sad.
Impeach at the right time the right people. That would have been before any of the wars, and then the ones who deceived all and totally mocked the constitution. That would be the neocons. But you all wanted to go, unconstitutionally, into a country that did not pose a threat or attacked America. Impeach you!
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I notice this thread has "changed", was it you OP who changed it?
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Re: Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.
OP, you really don't give a shit about treason, you've just been watching Fox News and they've got your head spinning around so much you need an exorcist.

You're a dupe. Go back and shove a few more pins in your Obama voodoo doll.