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Don't worry Mr. President, nobody will notice that you just commited TREASON against the United States.

 
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What purpose does a body of laws intended to restrict the powers of government serve, when the government completely disregards those laws, and the citizens do nothing to stop it?

Law becomes pointless the moment it stops being enforced.

On March 19th, Barack Obama authorized military action against Libya in conjunction with an international coalition. The problem is, Barack Obama did not have that authority.

Attack Renews Debate Over Congressional Consent
[link to www.nytimes.com]

"President Obama is facing criticism that crosses the political divide for not seeking Congressional authorization before ordering the American military to join in attacks of Libyan air defenses and government forces."

Military action is nothing more than a euphamism for war. And the authorization of war lies solely in the hands of Congress.

War Powers Clause
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Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the United States Constitution, sometimes referred to as the War Powers Clause, vests in the Congress the exclusive power to declare war, in the following wording:

[Congress shall have Power...] To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water.

Further, the War Powers act of 1973 clarified these powers of congress to declare war.

The War Powers Resolution of 1973
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The War Powers Resolution of 1973 was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

In Obama's own words, spoken to the nation last night:

Transcript of Obama speech on Libya
[link to www.upi.com]

"And so, nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973."

Notice in the above quote who authorized this military action. But, this transgression of the law is rather minor compared to news coming out of Libya the past few days. It seems America has just found itself in a serious constitutional crisis thanks to the actions of Barack Obama, and treason is on the lips of Americans today.

Obama seems to have acted in a rather hasty manner in this war, dragging America into another country to further it's own interests. But who are we helping in Libya?

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi, the Libyan rebel leader, has said jihadists who fought against allied troops in Iraq are on the front lines of the battle against Muammar Gaddafi's regime. Mr al-Hasidi admitted he had earlier fought against 'the foreign invasion' in Afghanistan.

Do you understand the seriousness of this admission?

Libyan rebels, on the front lines fighting against Gaddafi's regime, previously fought AGAINST American troops in Iraq! What's more, the leader of the rebels in Libya admitted that he himself fought against America in Afghanistan! And these are the people that Obama has sent our military in to help overthrow the Libyan government! These are the very same people we have been fighting against for the past 9 years. These people are members of the very same group who has been blamed for the attack on 9-11-01 for God's sake! This is Al Qaeda that Obama is helping in Libya!

I want to be very clear on this here, our military is currently being used to support and aid our enemy's efforts to overthrow the government in Libya, thereby giving them safe-haven, increasing their military power via Libyan arms, and almost inevitably allowing them to procure the powers that come from being the ruling part of an entire country! Obama is in effect enabling Al Qaeda to position themselves to set up an extremist Islamic regime in the wake of the power vacuum created by the fall of Gaddafi, which will most certainly become a sovereign sanctuary and training ground for future generations of Islamic terrorists hell-bent on destroying "The Great Satan".

This, my friend, is treason. By the very definition of the word, this is treason. In fact, it is this very KIND of treason that our constitution defined as one of the most serious acts against our country.

Article Three, Section Three, of the United States Constitution: Treason
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Now, the KEY WORD in the above definition is "OR". Obama's actions are completely consistent with the latter part of this definition. It is well established that Al Qaeda is our enemy. And it is now public knowledge that the people we are helping in Libya are in fact, Al Qaeda. Obama has adhered to, or supported, America's enemy, by giving them aid: Enforcing the no-fly zone via bombing Gaddafi's air defenses; AND comfort: through eliminating Gaddafi's ability to strike the rebels from the air, where they were unable to effectively defend themselves.

And all this was done, not by the explicit authorization of congress, as the law requires, but by the permission of a foreign power, and ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY!

For the first time in history, a president has disregarded the constitution, circumvented congress, and acted on the orders of a foreign power to support, aid, and give comfort to an enemy of The United States of America.

Make no mistake, THIS IS TREASON.
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
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So, those are imaginary terrorists that America has been fighting against in Iraq/Afghanistan for the past nine years?

Semantics get you nowhere. It is what it is, call them what you will, the enemy we have fought against is now getting aid from OUR president!

And THAT is treason...
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Shit, I can't believe you doom lovers are ignoring this. This shit is BIG!

Does nobody give a damn that Obama just committed verifiable, undeniable treason?

Oh wait, this is a conspiracy THEORY site... maybe I should have supplied LESS evidence and put "ALIEN PROBES DOOMTARDS ANUS!!!!!" in the title.
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1270266


So, those are imaginary terrorists that America has been fighting against in Iraq/Afghanistan for the past nine years?

Semantics get you nowhere. It is what it is, call them what you will, the enemy we have fought against is now getting aid from OUR president!

And THAT is treason...
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You're right, when we were guarding the Chinese workers who were building a railroad and the modern day silk road in Afghanistan, that TOO was TREASON, and a war, and we also paid for that, and are giving them USAID too.

We send USAID all over the world. That's why it's such a pathetic, treasonous joke, that our people here should be out of work, threatened with their Social Security, and blamed for being 'greedy'. What a joke!

There is no Al Quaeda, we are nation building for TPTB.

All of these wars are just a joke. The only ones who go to war are the people. Maybe the people should gather TPTB and their puppets and take them to some private island and let them kill each other.
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
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Yes actually there is. It all begins with the Muslim Brotherhood who were funded and created by the western military industrial complex.

AL QUAEDA is one of the violent offshoots that were again funded and created by western military industrial complex.

AL QUAEDA cluelessly bungles along as a proxy bogeyman who serves the globalist masters while their leadership dines at the pentagon and follows the game-plan set out for them by the New World Order.

They are used to create order out of chaos, as determined by the elite.
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I hear ya man; It sickens me to think of all the lies over the years. Ready for what's next, that's for sure. Great post.
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Barry Soetoro is really racking up on the treason list. And that apparently suits the rest of government and the courts as well.

It does not sit well with me.
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1270266



Yes actually there is. It all begins with the Muslim Brotherhood who were funded and created by the western military industrial complex.

AL QUAEDA is one of the violent offshoots that were again funded and created by western military industrial complex.

AL QUAEDA cluelessly bungles along as a proxy bogeyman who serves the globalist masters while their leadership dines at the pentagon and follows the game-plan set out for them by the New World Order.

They are used to create order out of chaos, as determined by the elite.
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Yes, thank you, you have explained it far better than I.

It angers me to no end. Some days I wish I was still grazing with the sheep.
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Good to see this thread is finally getting some attention. I was really afraid I would have to stoop low enough to put "ALIEN" and "ANUS" in the thread title to get people to read it.

The next step is to raise such a stink over this that they simply CAN NOT ignore it.

DON'T LET THIS GO PEOPLE! FIGHT TO BRING BACK THE RULE OF LAW! NO MAN IS ABOVE IT, SO HOLD OBAMA ACCOUNTABLE!
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A system that acts ONLY by force of will, understands ONLY the force of will. And it will bow down ONLY... to the force of will.

Do I really need to elaborate on that?
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He doesn't need approval you jackasses
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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tl, dnr

op sounds like a birther
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You don't realize do you?

Not only does this give the American people an "Easy Win" to gain more support to the falling numbers of the other two wars, but it also gives free advertisement for our weapons industry.

This will generate 5000 jobs to create more weapons in which will also allow for the budget to remain hidden by using subcontractors. There will be a 5 year contract and there will be at least 17 nations wanting to buy the weapons we are using.

If congress wasn't for it, McCain would NOT support it. Think about it silly.

I hate to say that such information held for "National Security" is really true, but you don't have any idea how close we are from becoming completely out of the pecking order.

There is going to be a tax-cut because of this semi-war. At least, if they were smart enough to realize they would approve a tax cut. Next year they will also give most people a $450 stimulus. This will be overly advertised and widely known. It will come in check form only. It's a psychological thing. Again, if they were smart enough, they will do this
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He doesn't need approval you jackasses
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Your post focuses on the issue I explicitly declared "MINOR".

So how about you chime in and rationalize Obama's undeniable support for AL Qaeda forces in the overthrow of a foreign government?

Eh, "jackass"?
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Just as a reminder, check out what Barack Obama said in response to question number two in an interview with the Boston Globe back in 2007:

[link to www.boston.com]

2. In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites -- a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

As for the specific question about bombing suspected nuclear sites, I recently introduced S.J. Res. 23, which states in part that “any offensive military action taken by the United States against Iran must be explicitly authorized by Congress.” The recent NIE tells us that Iran in 2003 halted its effort to design a nuclear weapon. While this does not mean that Iran is no longer a threat to the United States or its allies, it does give us time to conduct aggressive and principled personal diplomacy aimed at preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons."




His current actions in Libya go directly AGAINST his stated position on the subject back in 2007.

Despite the debate over whether or not "military action" is war, declared or undeclared, that is nothing more than semantics. When you bomb a sovereign nation, you are waging war, whether you declare it or not. Calling it military intervention, military action, humanitarian aid, or whatever other euphemism the government comes up with, is really nothing more than public relations, glossing over the facts to make it more palatable to the populace. Not only that, but the play on words is an attempt to get around the constitutional restrictions on waging war. If you call it something other than war, it makes it easier to argue that you didn't exceed your constitutional authority.
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Ok, it is bad what he did. But your country committed to preemptive doctrine and it now sees extremist everywhere when you all accepted the invasions. That you think it is about Al-Qaida or Muzzies is your problem. Cos that is far from reality. Bush would have fought with Al Qaida if he was president now. You all helped Iraq fight Iran, build the Taliban with Saudi wahibies help. You people switch loyalties as many times as you let gays marry and then let them not marry.
Obama is leading America some big American interest wants. He is not making it all up himself.
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Ok, it is bad what he did. But your country committed to preemptive doctrine and it now sees extremist everywhere when you all accepted the invasions. That you think it is about Al-Qaida or Muzzies is your problem. Cos that is far from reality. Bush would have fought with Al Qaida if he was president now. You all helped Iraq fight Iran, build the Taliban with Saudi wahibies help. You people switch loyalties as many times as you let gays marry and then let them not marry.
Obama is leading America some big American interest wants. He is not making it all up himself.
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MY loyalties lie in one place and one place only: The constitution. As for my fellow Americans and our leaders... obviously they are either complicit or ignorant of the facts.

And before ANY of you bring the argument about "where were you when Bush was waging an illegal war in Iraq"... I have been AGAINST this imperialism in America and the flagrant disregard for the law of the land by our elected officials for 15 years now. I DID NOT support the Iraq war, and I DID NOT support that piece of shit Dubya OR his pet Haliburton thug Cheney.

I don't give a damn about the face of the tyrant, what I care about is the rule of law, as it applies to ALL OF US.
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Ok, it is bad what he did. But your country committed to preemptive doctrine and it now sees extremist everywhere when you all accepted the invasions. That you think it is about Al-Qaida or Muzzies is your problem. Cos that is far from reality. Bush would have fought with Al Qaida if he was president now. You all helped Iraq fight Iran, build the Taliban with Saudi wahibies help. You people switch loyalties as many times as you let gays marry and then let them not marry.
Obama is leading America some big American interest wants. He is not making it all up himself.
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MY loyalties lie in one place and one place only: The constitution. As for my fellow Americans and our leaders... obviously they are either complicit or ignorant of the facts.

And before ANY of you bring the argument about "where were you when Bush was waging an illegal war in Iraq"... I have been AGAINST this imperialism in America and the flagrant disregard for the law of the land by our elected officials for 15 years now. I DID NOT support the Iraq war, and I DID NOT support that piece of shit Dubya OR his pet Haliburton thug Cheney.

I don't give a damn about the face of the tyrant, what I care about is the rule of law, as it applies to ALL OF US.
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Ok, it is bad what he did. But your country committed to preemptive doctrine and it now sees extremist everywhere when you all accepted the invasions. That you think it is about Al-Qaida or Muzzies is your problem. Cos that is far from reality. Bush would have fought with Al Qaida if he was president now. You all helped Iraq fight Iran, build the Taliban with Saudi wahibies help. You people switch loyalties as many times as you let gays marry and then let them not marry.
Obama is leading America some big American interest wants. He is not making it all up himself.
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MY loyalties lie in one place and one place only: The constitution. As for my fellow Americans and our leaders... obviously they are either complicit or ignorant of the facts.

And before ANY of you bring the argument about "where were you when Bush was waging an illegal war in Iraq"... I have been AGAINST this imperialism in America and the flagrant disregard for the law of the land by our elected officials for 15 years now. I DID NOT support the Iraq war, and I DID NOT support that piece of shit Dubya OR his pet Haliburton thug Cheney.

I don't give a damn about the face of the tyrant, what I care about is the rule of law, as it applies to ALL OF US.
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Isn't there a policy that the Commander in Chief can initiate military action for up to 90 days without Congressional approval?

Hasn't every Prez since Ike launched some invasion?

Why is this different?

The President, as CEO of U.S. Arms, Inc., has a duty to the shareholders to make profit. You can't sell more bullets unless they use the ones they've got.

Now if only we could be shareholders....
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so has every president for the last 80 years outside of jfk and we all know what happened to him, america has been in a constant state of war my entire life, its all about money, power and greed. plus, the constitution died in 1913 when the federal reserve bankers officially took over the country.
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
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So, those are imaginary terrorists that America has been fighting against in Iraq/Afghanistan for the past nine years?

Semantics get you nowhere. It is what it is, call them what you will, the enemy we have fought against is now getting aid from OUR president!

And THAT is treason...
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Because the "enemy that we fought against" whether called Al Quaeda or something else.....is a false name.

They (our govt, al quaeda, other various "leaders") are all part of the same team, the NWO. Its like a Theatre troupe, the puppets/players play different roles for each individual play, but its the same players....

They are working together toward a common goal, this is just the halftime show they show us....to try to explain or cover what is really happening....
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Just heard a conservitard compare Ghadaffi to Abraham Lincoln... Morons.
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Oh please, give me a break..
Obama did not break any laws.
How can a dictator break a laws?
He so cool. I wish he was are prez...hf
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Isn't there a policy that the Commander in Chief can initiate military action for up to 90 days without Congressional approval?

Hasn't every Prez since Ike launched some invasion?

Why is this different?

The President, as CEO of U.S. Arms, Inc., has a duty to the shareholders to make profit. You can't sell more bullets unless they use the ones they've got.

Now if only we could be shareholders....
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Why is this different?

Hmm, lets see here... Oh yeah, BECAUSE OBAMA IS SUPPORTING, AIDING, AND GIVING COMFORT TO THE ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN CLEAR AND UNAVOIDABLE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW OF THE LAND!
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so has every president for the last 80 years outside of jfk and we all know what happened to him, america has been in a constant state of war my entire life, its all about money, power and greed. plus, the constitution died in 1913 when the federal reserve bankers officially took over the country.
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Oh yeah, that's right. I forgot about every other president... So, seems how every other president has broken the law, then it's perfectly fine for the Blessed One to break the law as well. After all, everybody's doing it, right?

Yes... Don't be a JFK, wage war without congressional approval! Aid your enemies in their ongoing efforts to destroy your country! I you don't, you might just end up with a bullet in the head.

Sorry folks, false alarm! Go back to sleep everyone, your government is in control!
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Question:

How can one commit treason against the United States when
One is not a citizen?
'When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men,
they create for themselves, in the course of time,
a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.'
Frederic Bastiat, 'The Law'
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"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
JohnSwinton, 1830-1901, Former chief-of-staff New York Times
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"The bold effort the present bank has made to control the Government, the distress it has wantonly produced ... are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American People should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution (The Bank of the United States), or the establishment of another like it." Andrew Jackson (December 2, 1834)
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The key here is that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AL QUAEDA!!! It was made up by the CIA. YOU FOOLS!

Still treasonous though.
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So, those are imaginary terrorists that America has been fighting against in Iraq/Afghanistan for the past nine years?

Semantics get you nowhere. It is what it is, call them what you will, the enemy we have fought against is now getting aid from OUR president!

And THAT is treason...
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Wake up Yankies Your president is your enemy get him befor he kills and rapes you even more... Dude makes his cousin bush look like a boyscout. hes a fooken commie plant the post is already on glp.....
'Whence do you come, slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?' The soul answered and said, 'What binds me has been slain, and what surrounds me has been overcome, and my desire has been ended, and ignorance has died. In a [world] I was released from a world, [and] in a type from a heavenly type, and (from) the fetter of oblivion which is transient. From this time on will I attain to the rest of the time, of the season, of the aeon, in silence.'

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