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I see a lot of people representing for JC on these forums, which is cool, but I have to admit I still cringe a litte each time I read that name. Why? Because it's a very poor translation (at best) and a deliberate aberration (at worst).

Take Daniel - he was a hebrew and in hebrew his name was Daniyyel. See the similarity?

Michael - another hebrew name, and in hebrew it is Mikhael, see the similarity?

Yahushua, hebrew name, and we get Jesus, see the similarity? Would it help to know there is effectively no 'J' sound in the hebrew alphabet?

Ok, but if we change the Y to a J and anglicized it, best translation would be Joshua. Anyone in the bible have that name? Yep, bible believers know him from Exodus to Judges. How was his name written in the original hebrew - Yahushua. Oh snap.

So why Jesus then? Well you can read a book on how the Roman Holy Empire tarted up their pagan religion into Catholicism, but would it help if you knew their chief 'God' was called Zeus? And that Jesus can be pronounced 'he-zeus'.

What then about the title 'christ'. It comes from a greek word Kristos meaning 'anointed'. Who was called God's (Yahuah) anointed in the bible? Well the Kings of Israel for starters. King Saul and King David were called God's anointed. Somehow we don't call King David Christ.

So what's the hebrew say about the son of God? They called him the Mashiach - meaning messiah (saviour). Were there any other messiahs? Nope - He's the one.

If you're a good, honest person of any denomination or even non-denomination then I salute you, I'm not trying to point score. But if you are like me, you don't want to be deceived, so give this a thought and pray to our father Yahuah through his son Yahushua ha Mashiach (or Jesus if you must).
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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I could explain how in so many ways you fail, but I'll some it up by likening your post to this video:


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So if Bananas prove the existence of god, and man engineered the bananas, we pretty much one upped him, didn't we?
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Why should intelligent people
believe in a non believe God ? What proof do you have ?
the whore at peor before
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So what's the hebrew say about the son of God? They called him the Mashiach - meaning messiah (saviour). Were there any other messiahs? Nope - He's the one.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Decent post.

This bolded part is not true, according to Encyclo. Judaica. Under the heading "Phineas" it says "He precedes the messiah" and also that the talmudists say Moses and Elijah praised Phineas, therefore the gospel account to the Jew, is heresy againt their champion at Peor, Phineas the whore-killer.

The same section in E.J. explains that Phineas was given "a priesthood for eternity" for his woman hating ways. So there are two COMPETING priesthoods, one is the woman hating and one is the woman loving.

Phineas is the talmudist messianic figure, because the talmud produces evil sages by its very nature. Phineas jumped ahead of Moses and Joshua, and killed a whore. The priests, being sodomite women haters, were pleased at this. 1300 years later, Jesus showed he was the anti-Phineas, when he defended a whore, shaming all the Phineas-caste.

The talmudists say that BOTH the sayings of talmud and also the written Torah were given to Moses? Total BS re-writing of history by their Babylonian priests of the raped/conquered temple of 580 bc.

Check out "Toldot Yeshu" where the talmudists explain the Yeshu' momma Mary, was a whore. Whorehating is all over the talmudist psychosis. I prefer Jesus, who loved and was loved by women and children.

The learned talmudist sages of his day were just like the evil Egyptian and rebellious Amarna priests of Moses and Joshua's day. Rabbi Hillel of Jesus' time, invalidated the Pharaonic jubliee (forgiveness of debts) because he was a coldhearted rich Pharisee whose family imported silk from Babylonian friends and allies. That is why Jesus overturned their temple: They were running merchant caravans from Babylon and using the people's desire for worship to enrich themselves. Sons of the Devil, Jesus called them and obviously we can see he was right, as these same Pharisees have given us Hitler/Ovaida types and nuclear mid east via Rothschild/Mossad crypto-evil deception-as-a-rule. Whom has made the mid East a nuclear battlefront? It is the Pharisee who defends his right to drag this world to yet another Masada-type event.

Yeah, so basically:

The Bible: Redacted and edited see Wellhausen et al.
The Talmud: Pure evil "heavy loads bound and placed on the shoulders of the weak"
Phineas/Bar Kochba: Judean gay/tyrant whorehating messiah
Joshua/Yeshu: Judean hetro/peaceful whoreloving nemesis
Day of Atonement: Originally to make up for the slaying of Joshua, this meaning was altered to remove both Joshua and Akhenaten from history.
Peor: Historical/veiled pivot of history where Phineas killed Joshua >> then 24,000 Israelites were killed by God as punishment. Later editors inserted other names to hide this sin (see Freud's final book)
Rabbi Akiva: Betrayed the God of Moses, 24,000 of his followers were killed (all but four!)

So why is the number of Israelites killed at Peor, EXCETLY THE SAME as the number of Akiva's disciples killed around the time of Jesus? Exactly 24,000? The Judean spends every minute of their existence running from past sins. It is no surprise that such psychosis will eventually produce a sinner who sees their sin (murder of the woman loving Jesus and disgracing the woman loving Moses/Akhenaten) as a HOLY thing. The psychosis then becomes the rule. This whole guilt trip of the talmudists, is the reason the world is in need of a woman-loving savior.

Anyway, thanks for your post. E.J. is my main source these days, available at most public libraries, I encourage people to read it, especially the sections on BABYLON, BABYLONIA, JACOB FRANK, SABBATI ZEVI, BANKING, PHINEAS, JESUS and MOSES. Why bother wasting time? They are anchored to their past misdeeds and as a tribe they haul them forward so by going to their books, one can easily analyze their neurosis.
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Sames are irrelevant, conceptualizing it is even more irrelevant and leads you further from 'god'.
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Sames are irrelevant,
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*cough* NAMES are irrelevant..
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Sames are irrelevant,
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*cough* NAMES are irrelevant..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


I would have to disagree with you on that statement.

OP, you are right! Recently, I had a very lucid dream where I was being attacked by demonic spirits. I cried out "In Jesus Name, leave me alone". When I did, they looked at each other and snickered saying "that's not His real name". I had been researching the name "YahuShua Ha Mashiach" so at that point in this dream I merely THOUGHT to myself "should I have said YahuShua?" At the thought of this (which apparently they could hear), they shrieked and recoiled away from me in obvious fear for themselves at THAT NAME! Needless to say, I have been praying in that Name ever since!

I don't doubt God has annointed the name of "Jesus Christ" (loose translation that it is) because witnesses have seen that name's authority over the demons. However, as the veil is lifted and the demonic entities become stronger, only those who know YahuShua's REAL name will find protection through it, imo.

God Bless you, OP (and you made me laugh out loud when you said "oh snap", thanks! hehe)

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Everywhere I go I hear people rant about Jeshua and Yashua and other name idiocy. Grow up! If you had any brains you would know the message is what is important. Your name BS is just that--BS.
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Good responces peeps. Thanks Watcher, I enjoyed your reply and I do agree that God has anointed the name 'Jesus', and I believe that he does this in the same way he used Balaam. He took Balaams attempt to curse his people and turned it in to a blessing. I believe he did this with Jesus too, because as you rightly said, people have used the name in spiritual warfare and it does work!

But this doesn't stop us from wanting to know the full truth! Another thing I left out previously, is that Hebrew names also have a meaning. Yahushua means 'Yahuah (my father) is salvation. His very name means, repent and be saved!

Interesting piece on phineas, I will have to do my research on that. The Talmud as stated was a Babylonian corruption of the Torah - stay the hell away.

Finally to those who want proof of God I have bad news, you're not going to get proof. I will just say though that I don't mind being ribbed, because I'm 37 years old now and for 35 years of my life I was the biggest atheist on the planet. I thought the idea of God and religion sucked, until a series of events proved (for me at least) what this is all about. I did what I hope anyone in my position would do - B-lined for the good guys.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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I see a lot of people representing for JC on these forums, which is cool, but I have to admit I still cringe a litte each time I read that name. Why? Because it's a very poor translation (at best) and a deliberate aberration (at worst).

Take Daniel - he was a hebrew and in hebrew his name was Daniyyel. See the similarity?

Michael - another hebrew name, and in hebrew it is Mikhael, see the similarity?

Yahushua, hebrew name, and we get Jesus, see the similarity? Would it help to know there is effectively no 'J' sound in the hebrew alphabet?

Ok, but if we change the Y to a J and anglicized it, best translation would be Joshua. Anyone in the bible have that name? Yep, bible believers know him from Exodus to Judges. How was his name written in the original hebrew - Yahushua. Oh snap.

So why Jesus then? Well you can read a book on how the Roman Holy Empire tarted up their pagan religion into Catholicism, but would it help if you knew their chief 'God' was called Zeus? And that Jesus can be pronounced 'he-zeus'.

What then about the title 'christ'. It comes from a greek word Kristos meaning 'anointed'. Who was called God's (Yahuah) anointed in the bible? Well the Kings of Israel for starters. King Saul and King David were called God's anointed. Somehow we don't call King David Christ.

So what's the hebrew say about the son of God? They called him the Mashiach - meaning messiah (saviour). Were there any other messiahs? Nope - He's the one.

If you're a good, honest person of any denomination or even non-denomination then I salute you, I'm not trying to point score. But if you are like me, you don't want to be deceived, so give this a thought and pray to our father Yahuah through his son Yahushua ha Mashiach (or Jesus if you must).
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Joshua, Hosea, Oshea, Josiah, Yesheyahu and lastly Yeheshuah allmean salvation but only the last one actually presents and offers it free. The babylon monkey goddess trap seeks your soul beware the Woman weho rides the beast for she is Semmarimus....
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Op so on judgement day youb think Christ is going to ask you.."well tell me now..did you get my name right or not?"
or is he going to ask you.."Did you live as I would want you too?"
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

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rolleyes seriously..time to get real here
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO ASK YOU TO MEMORIZE SCRIPTURE FOR HIM? OR IS HE GOING TO ASK YOU HOW DID YOU TREAT OTHERS?

IS HE GOING TO ASK YOU HOW MANY TIMES YOU WENT TO CHURCH OR HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU HELP AND LOVE?
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Sames are irrelevant,
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*cough* NAMES are irrelevant..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


I would have to disagree with you on that statement.

OP, you are right! Recently, I had a very lucid dream where I was being attacked by demonic spirits. I cried out "In Jesus Name, leave me alone". When I did, they looked at each other and snickered saying "that's not His real name". I had been researching the name "YahuShua Ha Mashiach" so at that point in this dream I merely THOUGHT to myself "should I have said YahuShua?" At the thought of this (which apparently they could hear), they shrieked and recoiled away from me in obvious fear for themselves at THAT NAME! Needless to say, I have been praying in that Name ever since!

I don't doubt God has annointed the name of "Jesus Christ" (loose translation that it is) because witnesses have seen that name's authority over the demons. However, as the veil is lifted and the demonic entities become stronger, only those who know YahuShua's REAL name will find protection through it, imo.

God Bless you, OP (and you made me laugh out loud when you said "oh snap", thanks! hehe)
 Quoting: ^Watcher^



I have found that just " By the name and the blood of the lamb is sufficient when similar things happened to me. They know and tremble. Sadly the most powerful created berings that ever existed know and tremble in fear and dread.....the creation in HIS image remains mocking and will seek relief but find none in that day. If I am wrong I am just dirt but the fool has said in his heart " there is no GOD" what will you be if I am right? Yelling for a fire extinguisher....that's what....ain't no goin' back from there....remember.
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we will be held accountable for every single person we have hurt or injured inj any way and no matter how many church meetings or prayers or scripture quoting will save us

do unto others as you would have them do to you

how many can say they do that?

lol..dont get me started yak
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Messianic Judaism: A Christian Missionary Movement

Messianic Judaism is a Christian movement that began in the 1970s combining a mixture of Jewish ritual and Christianity. There are a vast and growing numbers of these groups, and they differ in how much Jewish ritual is mixed with conventional Christian belief. One end of the spectrum is represented by Jews For Jesus, who simply target Jews for conversion to Christianity using imitations of Jewish ritual solely as a ruse for attracting the potential Jewish converts. On the other end are those who don't stress the divinity of Jesus, but present him as the "Messiah." They incorporate distorted Jewish ritual on an ongoing basis.
The movement has received criticism from mainstream Christian leaders, for these groups claim to believe in the New Testament and yet gloss over the distinction between the two communities instituted in that work, and for the deceptive tactics used to gain Jewish converts. They are typically very pro-Israel and include an unusually high number of Jewish symbols -- the Magen David, Torah, talleisim, shofars, yarmulkes, mezzuzahs, Shabbat candles, and use of Hebrew and Yiddish language -- to assure prospective converts that they are not renouncing Judaism by accepting Jesus. According to Jewish law and tradition, such an acceptance is indeed a renunciation of Judaism.

Like the Christian Missionary, one of the major roles of the Messianic Jew is to proselytize others. They prey on such vulnerable individuals as the lonely, the elderly, the poor, the emotionally unstable, the naive, or those who are just untutored in Scripture. These unfortunates are lured into accepting missionary doctrines out of emotional need, not intellectual conviction. For even after a superficial reading of the missionaries' textual "proofs" within context, one sees that their doctrines are founded solely upon misquotations and mistranslations of Hebrew Scripture.

The term "completed Jews" is now used by some Messianic Jews and Missionary Christians to describe Jews who have accepted Jesus as their savior. This is offensive because of the implication that a Jew who has not accepted Jesus is not "complete." This term has also recently popped up in Washington, DC during House subcommittee support of President Bush's proposal to channel government money to religious social service programs. Jewish and civil liberties groups note that this testimony clearly documents the President's initiative will result in government-financed proselytizing.

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Op so on judgement day youb think Christ is going to ask you.."well tell me now..did you get my name right or not?"
or is he going to ask you.."Did you live as I would want you too?"
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True but I have heard of a man who was supposedly approached by a demnic spirit who said " I am Jesus" he replied "but what of Mashaich Ben El Shaddai" and the entity fled screaming in pure terror, knowing what that name mweant to it and what it now means to it. There is power in the name and the blood. When saw we thee naked and clothed thee or hungry and fed thee? Youknow the rest. Some will never get it til too late.
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DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO ASK YOU TO MEMORIZE SCRIPTURE FOR HIM? OR IS HE GOING TO ASK YOU HOW DID YOU TREAT OTHERS?

IS HE GOING TO ASK YOU HOW MANY TIMES YOU WENT TO CHURCH OR HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU HELP AND LOVE?
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^ Only replace Jesus with God.
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"Sweet baby Yahushua" just don't cut it with Amereagans.
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Education: The Best Protection Against Missionary Groups

One of the most significant differences between Judaism and Christianity (or Messianic Judaism) is that the latter rejects the laws that God gave to Moses to teach to the children of Israel. According to the New Testament passage John 3:36: “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath.” Christian theology firmly believes that if you do not believe in Jesus you are going to "burn in Hell." We Are Not Going to Burn in Hell: a Jewish Response to Christianity demonstrates how to refute Messianic Jews and Christian missionaries by using passages from both the Tanach and the New Testament. It is a definitive source to counter every argument Christian missionaries may make to sway a Jew to their theology. The first chapter is available on-line.
It is truly surprising how many people there are who confess a belief in Jesus as the Messiah, without having first obtained an adequate knowledge and understanding of the New Testament, the main source of information about him. When a person is calmly shown the factual mistakes and absurdities that are in the New Testament, and sees where it misinterpreted and mistranslated the Tanach, it awakens the realization that they were misled by people whom they thought were friends.

One should be aware of the fact that Paul, a founding father of the early church, and the most successful missionary that ever lived, confessed to using deception and lies to make converts:

Corinthians 9:20-22: To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews; to those under the law I became as one under the law -- though not being myself under the law -- that I might win those under the law. To those outside the law I became as one outside the law -- not being without law toward God but under the law of Christ -- that I might win those outside the law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak.
Romans 3:7: If through my lies God’s truth abounds to His glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?
Philippians 1:18: In every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Jesus is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.
The veracity of everything that Paul stated and wrote is called into question by the fact that these quotes are found in the books he himself authored. Or, did he?

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Jesus of Nazareth: The False Messiah

For almost two thousand years, the Christian Church has taught that Jesus was crucified, died, and was resurrected three days later. This has long been one of the church's foundational beliefs, along with the virgin birth, atonement, and future second coming of Jesus.
In the year 325 CE, Constantine (a non-baptized Pagan) convened the Council of Nicea to settle disputes in the Church. The council changed Jesus from man to God in the flesh, they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and the Passover was changed to Easter. Among the nearly 200 Gospels circulating in the first three hundred years of this era, the Catholic Church canonized only four. Origen, the great Catholic father, confirms this fact: "And not four Gospels, but very many, out of which these we have chosen."

A partial list of the different books considered by the Church for inclusion were a gospel written by Jesus’ own hand; letters and other correspondences written by Jesus; letters written by the "virgin" Mary; Pilate’s official report to the emperor of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus, with Pilate’s confession of faith; the reply to this from Tiberius, and the trial of Pilate; official documents of the Roman Senate about Jesus; Gospels, epistles, acts, by every single one of the twelve apostles; and official documents of church law and government, written in Greek by the apostles. In his book, Answering Christianity's Most Puzzling Questions, Christian apologist Richard Sisson states:

"In fact, after the death of Jesus a whole flood of books that claimed to be inspired appeared.... Disputes over which ones were true were so intense that the debate continued for centuries. Finally in the fourth century a group of church leaders called a council and took a vote. The 66 books that comprised our cherished Bible were declared to be Scripture by a vote of 568 to 563."

Paul and the writers of all four canonical Gospels described the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, as they understood it had happened. There is a acknowledged consensus among academic Christian theologians that:

The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written by Jesus' disciples but by a person or persons whose names are unknown.
Neither Paul nor any of the Gospel writers had been an eyewitness to Jesus' ministry or death.
The Gospels record the beliefs and memories of various Christian groups as they had evolved at the time they were written.
Their Hollow Inheritance: A Comprehensive Refutation of Christian Missionaries cites additional discrepancies. Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:31 describe "angels" appearing to Jesus’ mother and her husband informing them of her forthcoming "immaculate conception" and "virgin birth" to the "Son of God," the "Messiah." When compared with the way Jesus’ family and neighbors treated him, it is absurd to believe that "angels" really visited them:
Mark 3:21: Upon hearing of it, his family went out to seize him, for they said, "He is beside himself."
To offset the startling fact that Jesus’ family thought that he was insane, some New Testament editions replace "they" with "people," although "they" is in the original Greek text.
John 7:5: For even his brothers did not believe in him.
Luke 4:16: And Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and he went to the synagogue, as his custom was, on the Sabbath day…
There, Jesus hinted to his friends and neighbors that he was the Messiah, however:

Luke 4:28: When they heard this, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath. And they rose up, and put him out of the city, and led him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong.
How very strange it is, that during all the years in which Yeshu grew up with them, his brothers, friends, and neighbors did not notice that he was a "divine being." And could it have been that his parents forgot or didn’t tell anyone what they experienced? This stretches one’s imagination.

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The Source of the Original Gospels

Theologians have also observed for many decades that two of the synoptic gospels (Matthew and Luke) have many points of similarity. In fact, the writings have many dozens of phrases and sentences that are identical. This observation led to the theory that both gospels were based largely on an earlier document called "Q" meaning "Quelle," which is German for "source," and is comprised of three distinct documents:
Q1 described Jesus as a Jewish philosopher-teacher, written circa 50 CE.
Q2 viewed Jesus as a Jewish apocalyptic prophet, written circa 60 CE.
Q3 described Jesus as a near-deity who converses directly with God and Satan, written circa 70 CE during a time of great turmoil in Palestine.
The authors of the Gospels of Matthew (circa 80 CE) and Luke (circa 90 CE) wrote their books using text from Q, Mark and their own unique traditions. The author of the Gospel of Thomas also used portions of Q1 and Q2 in his writing, but seems to have been unaware of Q3. This gospel was widely circulated within the early Christian movement but did not make it into the Christian Scriptures.
What is remarkable about Q1 is that the original Christians appeared to be centered totally on concerns about their relationships with God and with other people, and their preparation for the Kingdom of God on earth. Totally absent from their spiritual life are almost all of the factors that we associate with Christianity today. There is absolutely no mention of (in alphabetic order):

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Good responces peeps. Thanks Watcher, I enjoyed your reply and I do agree that God has anointed the name 'Jesus', and I believe that he does this in the same way he used Balaam. He took Balaams attempt to curse his people and turned it in to a blessing. I believe he did this with Jesus too, because as you rightly said, people have used the name in spiritual warfare and it does work!

But this doesn't stop us from wanting to know the full truth! Another thing I left out previously, is that Hebrew names also have a meaning. Yahushua means 'Yahuah (my father) is salvation. His very name means, repent and be saved!

Interesting piece on phineas, I will have to do my research on that. The Talmud as stated was a Babylonian corruption of the Torah - stay the hell away.

Finally to those who want proof of God I have bad news, you're not going to get proof. I will just say though that I don't mind being ribbed, because I'm 37 years old now and for 35 years of my life I was the biggest atheist on the planet. I thought the idea of God and religion sucked, until a series of events proved (for me at least) what this is all about. I did what I hope anyone in my position would do - B-lined for the good guys.
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Religion does suck. fear of and knowledge of GOD is the beginning of wisdom though. Religion if Rev. Phelps at funerals and a nutcake in a pizza place with a bomb and an hindu worshipping a blue bitch with 23 tits or a smuirking monkey god idol. Figure it out people duh uh!
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Fear of God?

how can you fear someone you love?
and how can you love someone you fear?
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


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Jesus of Nazareth: The False Messiah

For almost two thousand years, the Christian Church has taught that Jesus was crucified, died, and was resurrected three days later. This has long been one of the church's foundational beliefs, along with the virgin birth, atonement, and future second coming of Jesus.
In the year 325 CE, Constantine (a non-baptized Pagan) convened the Council of Nicea to settle disputes in the Church. The council changed Jesus from man to God in the flesh, they changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and the Passover was changed to Easter. Among the nearly 200 Gospels circulating in the first three hundred years of this era, the Catholic Church canonized only four. Origen, the great Catholic father, confirms this fact: "And not four Gospels, but very many, out of which these we have chosen."

A partial list of the different books considered by the Church for inclusion were a gospel written by Jesus’ own hand; letters and other correspondences written by Jesus; letters written by the "virgin" Mary; Pilate’s official report to the emperor of the trial and crucifixion of Jesus, with Pilate’s confession of faith; the reply to this from Tiberius, and the trial of Pilate; official documents of the Roman Senate about Jesus; Gospels, epistles, acts, by every single one of the twelve apostles; and official documents of church law and government, written in Greek by the apostles. In his book, Answering Christianity's Most Puzzling Questions, Christian apologist Richard Sisson states:

"In fact, after the death of Jesus a whole flood of books that claimed to be inspired appeared.... Disputes over which ones were true were so intense that the debate continued for centuries. Finally in the fourth century a group of church leaders called a council and took a vote. The 66 books that comprised our cherished Bible were declared to be Scripture by a vote of 568 to 563."

Paul and the writers of all four canonical Gospels described the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, as they understood it had happened. There is a acknowledged consensus among academic Christian theologians that:

The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written by Jesus' disciples but by a person or persons whose names are unknown.
Neither Paul nor any of the Gospel writers had been an eyewitness to Jesus' ministry or death.
The Gospels record the beliefs and memories of various Christian groups as they had evolved at the time they were written.
Their Hollow Inheritance: A Comprehensive Refutation of Christian Missionaries cites additional discrepancies. Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:31 describe "angels" appearing to Jesus’ mother and her husband informing them of her forthcoming "immaculate conception" and "virgin birth" to the "Son of God," the "Messiah." When compared with the way Jesus’ family and neighbors treated him, it is absurd to believe that "angels" really visited them:
Mark 3:21: Upon hearing of it, his family went out to seize him, for they said, "He is beside himself."
To offset the startling fact that Jesus’ family thought that he was insane, some New Testament editions replace "they" with "people," although "they" is in the original Greek text.
John 7:5: For even his brothers did not believe in him.
Luke 4:16: And Jesus came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and he went to the synagogue, as his custom was, on the Sabbath day…
There, Jesus hinted to his friends and neighbors that he was the Messiah, however:

Luke 4:28: When they heard this, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath. And they rose up, and put him out of the city, and led him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong.
How very strange it is, that during all the years in which Yeshu grew up with them, his brothers, friends, and neighbors did not notice that he was a "divine being." And could it have been that his parents forgot or didn’t tell anyone what they experienced? This stretches one’s imagination.

[link to www.messiahtruth.com]
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Your citation and lack of uinderstaning of it show your sad lack of a future. NOBODY UNDERSTOOD IT THEN UNTIL AFTER HE WAS DEAD AND ARISEN> Let the leaven of Rome fill your proud heart. Woe Woe Woe to yopu pal....sad really.
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Fear of God?

how can you fear someone you love?
and how can you love someone you fear?
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Love or not if you do not "fear GOD" you will not obey GOD. "Father" is the key thought. Ask Moshe is he feared GOD or Yahesaiah, or Yezekiel or Yerimayahu
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Jesus has saved me from so many attempts on my life that I could not begin to count them all. Jesus has saved me from a certain death through particle beam weapons. Jesus has saved me from a death through the forced ingestion of poisons,(CIA, NSA) through the forced ingestion of drugs, from a crippling death through intense microwave beams, from a death through the pummeling of laser beams. Jesus has saved me when the CIA and NSA tried to blow me up. Jesus has saved me day after day through so many assaults against my body that I could in no way count them. Blessed is the Name of Jesus. Through the name of Jesus and through His power, I have also seen many healed and many set free of demons. Those, who are so eager to take the Name of Jesus out of the mouths of others, neither know, nor have His power. Blessed is the Name of Jesus. Glory to His Name forever and ever.
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Fear of God?

how can you fear someone you love?
and how can you love someone you fear?
 Quoting: wildhoney


Love or not if you do not "fear GOD" you will not obey GOD. "Father" is the key thought. Ask Moshe is he feared GOD or Yahesaiah, or Yezekiel or Yerimayahu
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326376


I try to do what God likes not out of fear of him but because I love him and want to please him
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Fear of God?

how can you fear someone you love?
and how can you love someone you fear?
 Quoting: wildhoney


Love or not if you do not "fear GOD" you will not obey GOD. "Father" is the key thought. Ask Moshe is he feared GOD or Yahesaiah, or Yezekiel or Yerimayahu
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326376


I try to do what God likes not out of fear of him but because I love him and want to please him
 Quoting: wildhoney


"The Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom"....so some wise man said! :) It might be better understood if you viewed the word "fear" as meaning the same as the word "awe".
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For anyone who has been protected against or battled the enemy in the name of Jesus Christ, I utterly salute you. In fact a great website (dumb name but great content) is demonbuster.com where everything is written as Jesus.

For me, finding the proper name for Yah the father and Yah the son were something I feel I was lead (by Yah!) to early in my fast-track to having my eyes opened. If you know better, why not use the proper name but of course it's up to you and no, I don't think it will matter at all come judgement day lol! I'm sure a ton of honest people who worship God have gone to church on a Sunday and now I think everyone who has done even the smallest amount of research realises that it was (and still is) a day of pagan sun worship. Same sort of deal, although I'm not convinced God (Yah) anointed the Sun-day like he did the name of Jesus.

Off topic, but my feeling on fearing God: if you fear God it shows you understand he holds your whole world in his hand. Nebushadnezzar learnt this went his was taken from King of the known world to eating grass in the field. And more importantly than this: the Devil can do any of us a huge amount of harm, but only God in heaven can burn your soul and wipe you out of existence as if you never were. By fearing him you show you understand that he has sovereignty over all creation, and that judgement day will come.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Good responces peeps.

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Interesting piece on phineas, I will have to do my research on that. The Talmud as stated was a Babylonian corruption of the Torah - stay the hell away.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


You are welcome.

As for the talmud, essentially as I mentioned, E.J. explains that it was always Babylon/Jerusalem and each had Judeans/talmudists.

The whole pivot is Peor. It is folly to take the bible as a cover-to-cover whole as Charles Taze Russell and other schemers did. No, for the Old Testament so-called is an amalgam of different threads, from the two Genesis accounts, to the duplicated tellings of many tales, and the dissimilar voices who speak in the text.

Essentially all of this modern day talmudism is built by the following timeline:

-THERA ERUPTION (1650 BC) Ends Minoan Age
-Abraham and the Pharaoh refresh the bloodline via Sarah
-Isaac/Ishmael born from two princesses (Sarah and Haggar)
-Jacob and Esau (Judeans split)
-Joseph (Yuya) given Egypt under Thutmosis IV
-Solomon (Amenhotep III) rules for 30 years in wisdom
-Amarna Heresy (begin Israel)
-Moses/Osarseph/Akhenaten leaves Amarna
-BEGIN HEBREWS
-Mosaic Law AND Talmud gotten at Sinai (supposedly)
-Battle of Priests at Peor = Levite v. Phineas
-Joshua (Moses' Masterworker and ally) is killed by Phineas
-24k priests killed as punishment (later this is edited)
-Day of Atonement is added (for the above sin) by Moses.
-END EGYPT
-900bc = First scribal writing down of Torah (from verbal events)
-800bc second scribal writing
-570bc "Restored" Persio/Babylon temple at Jerusalem
- third scribal writing (they here tack on Kings, Joshua, etc)
- 100bc fourth redactor (tries to compile it all)

...Which brings us up to around 30AD.

At that time, Babylonian donkey caravans were again loaded and making their way to the new merchant-temple at Jerusalem. Much money was coined from blood, as is the way of sacrifice.

So then Bar Kochba ruined his people, and right around here we have Rabbi Akiva losing "24,000 followers in a plague"... Strange that the Judeans would record this exact amount as being taken from them, as at Peor? Perhaps divine punishment followed their money hungry, women hating caste? It appears they were decimated, because the thing they call "mishnah" was compiled by one of the students of only five survivors of that plague.

Essentially my opinion pending further research is that at the time of Jesus and then Bar Kochba, the rabbis were in a losing position, and they basically sent their own people uo to masada to die. Just like in WW2, this is how they think. "It is better that we survive, and these ones die." is how I would expect them to phrase it.

Because of course, Rabbis Meir and Akiva and then Judah ha Nasi are the tiny nouget center of everything that happens next. After Masada, the Pharisees get Judah ha Nasi (whose family is heavily involved in the Babylonian merchant caravan silk trade) to write down the first writing-down of the misnah, meaning, the spoken law of the priests.

Their excuse, historically is that "Oh well we didn't want all this knowledge to be lost!" Yeah well whatever. Anyway the Mishnah period takes a few decades during which the merchant-rabbi-conspiracy between Jerusalem and Babylon is involved in a two front war on all other sages. They then produce their master sage-work, the mishnah.

Even today there is debate as to if Judah actually wrote the thing down! Really now, why would he? "THE LAW" as such never gets to be read by the people anyway, only the sages. Haha I am reminded of that recent Pirate trilogy of Hollywodd fare where at the end, they have the Judean looking fellows and himself of the Corwn'd Londoners, Sir Keith Richards, who is the Alpha-Pirate that protects "THE CODE" ...HAHA Do you see the shit in your face?

And they haul out this HUUUUUUUGE book, comedically huge and the Keith Richards pirate mumbles to himself as he checks the code. Great shit. You have the archetypes my friends, just watch more movies.

Finally if you do re-watch the three Pirates movies as a family, as I here suggest, then consider that the only time they bust open the code is when there is no leadership. Also, perhaps when you watch the movies again, some precocious child will ask the correct question:

"If the only word of the code that Pirates know and depend upon is the word "PARLAY", then why does "THE LAW" need a 100lb book?"

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