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$15k and all expense paid for 25 rad? | |
| DFO Offer Upgrade  User ID: 424998  United States03/30/2011 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Burt Gummer User ID: 1310405 United States03/30/2011 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It took the Russians 500,000 "volunteers" to "clean up" Chernobyl and get it entombed. - 200,000 of them are permanently disabled - 20,000 are known dead Fukushima has SIX reactors....not just one. Do the math...and you will see why they need HUMAN ROBOTS. How much of your lifespan is worth $15,000???  |
| DFO (OP) User ID: 424998 United States03/30/2011 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good point, but were the Russians really volunteers? Were they educated, and were they told the truth? I have no idea.. But this is a legit offer from TEPCO. 20 or 25 rads over a few days really isnt much, and if you look at the statistics it gives you just a bare hint of risk. At Trojan the whole affair was closely monitered by the EPA, and they were in charge of the dosiometers. I didnt trust them much, and got a few of my own from a buddy who worked for the NRC. I wore them both. They both jibed.. But again, its hot as hell over there, and I could see a scenario that when you noted your dose was complete, you could pick up a pretty high additional dose just in trying to escape the hot zone; I see this as an actual risk. |
| 911Bob User ID: 1067231 United States03/30/2011 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Human Virus User ID: 1119996 United States03/30/2011 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | received an email ,local contractor will pay lodging ...food for LE..security in Japan amount $200k for six months?....sorry no link bitches Last Edited by Human Virus on 03/30/2011 05:29 PM HV |
| DFO (OP) User ID: 424998 United States03/30/2011 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hell, give me a week or two and I may go myself.. Im not promoting this, not involved in any way. I was just made the offer and thought others might be interested in hearing about the cattle call. They are going down the rung quite a ways to get to me. Im in no way a nuclear specialist, but I have done pipe welding and demo on a US reactor, same GE Mark 1 BWR as those in Japan. I can say I know how to navigate them, have a basic idea of whats what and where it is and how it connects to what. Other than that and being involved in several major petrochem constuction projects I have no pertinent experience, yet I was still offered. Seems apparent that they are desperately seeking workers, and if you study, 20 or 25 rads over a few days isnt a big deal, especially if you are older. |
| DFO (OP) User ID: 424998 United States03/30/2011 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Law enforcement? Thats interesting, especially how docile the Japanese are in their homeland. I might consider it were I anyway inclined to enforce laws. Its kinda not my nature or calling. If all hell breaks loose over there it could be a clusterfuck, especially being foreign. Not for me, but thanks for the post. Its interesting to see that they are recruiting so far, makes one curious why locals cant be found to do the job? How do you think you got on the email list? I have no idea how TEPCO found me, but figure it must be the info I gave at decommisioning Trojan, as I still have the same address and phone. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1270082 United States03/30/2011 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1292049  Canada03/30/2011 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| 911Bob User ID: 1067231 United States03/30/2011 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bob, PM me over a very basic resume of pertinent skills with contact info. I will fax it over to Japan. Quoting: DFOHell, give me a week or two and I may go myself.. Im not promoting this, not involved in any way. I was just made the offer and thought others might be interested in hearing about the cattle call. They are going down the rung quite a ways to get to me. Im in no way a nuclear specialist, but I have done pipe welding and demo on a US reactor, same GE Mark 1 BWR as those in Japan. I can say I know how to navigate them, have a basic idea of whats what and where it is and how it connects to what. Other than that and being involved in several major petrochem constuction projects I have no pertinent experience, yet I was still offered. Seems apparent that they are desperately seeking workers, and if you study, 20 or 25 rads over a few days isnt a big deal, especially if you are older. Thanks, will do. I am 50, and the way I see it, if they don't have the hands to help on this, we could have the same or higher exposure here over time. With that, you have to start thinking about your own families. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1319542  Australia03/30/2011 05:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good point, but were the Russians really volunteers? Quoting: DFOWere they educated, and were they told the truth? I have no idea.. What makes you think you'll be getting the truth from TEPCO, gaijin? They've been proven as being liars and falsifiers of records for a very long time. |
| DFO (OP) User ID: 424998 United States03/30/2011 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its hard for me to really assess the situation, as Im certain that none of us are getting all the facts, but its certain that we have corium in 4 reactors, melted out the bottom in 1, leaking from busted welds in another, and in #3 we have MOX, with a 30 foot tall crack a 1/4 inch wide, 300 degrees F over design temp. Its a clusterfuck. Its gonna kill alot of people no matter how its looked at, more every day it goes on uncontained. Everything that can be done to cool this monster needs to be done now, so that containment can be started. I dont see where 20 or 25 rad is gonna hurt me much, I will probably die of other causes. Ive been to Antarctica, just got home, need some family time. But if this offer holds Im gonna seriously consider it. At least I will be able to say I did my part, did something to stop this crap. 20 or 25 rads is a small price to pay to know I did what I could. Of course, there is always the risk that you could end up overexposed. Its chaos over there. Wrong turn could get you 20 rads in seconds. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297404 United States03/30/2011 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| DFO (OP) User ID: 424998 United States03/30/2011 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In regards to the truth? Yeah, I aint good at trust. Got a sticker on my Cessna that sums it up: In God we trust, everything else we check, twice. I wouldnt take their word for much at face value, but one can learn much in pre work briefing. Would also do like I did at Trojan, ie take my own dosiometers, and compare them to TEPCOs. Wonder about the financial health of a company that probably is soon to be sued out of existence. Will you even get paid? Its certainly a consideration. Promise the moon, then declare bankruptcy. Would happen in America, have no reason to trust the Japanese on this. Bottom line is someone has to step up. I dont have a problem stepping up to 25 rad, provided I can accomplish something. |
| Burt Gummer User ID: 1310405 United States03/30/2011 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good point, but were the Russians really volunteers? Quoting: DFOWere they educated, and were they told the truth? I have no idea.. But this is a legit offer from TEPCO. 20 or 25 rads over a few days really isnt much, and if you look at the statistics it gives you just a bare hint of risk. At Trojan the whole affair was closely monitered by the EPA, and they were in charge of the dosiometers. I didnt trust them much, and got a few of my own from a buddy who worked for the NRC. I wore them both. They both jibed.. But again, its hot as hell over there, and I could see a scenario that when you noted your dose was complete, you could pick up a pretty high additional dose just in trying to escape the hot zone; I see this as an actual risk. That was why I put "volunteers" in quotes....this was the USSR at the time.  As for your dose assumptions... TEPCO has lied ALL THE WAY....they are not the USA's EPA (and they lie now too). You get the SMALLEST IOTA of that radiation from the MOX fuel rods and you are a hurting puppy for the rest of your short days. Again....how much of your lifespan is worth 15K?? I can make that in a couple weeks trading....and no radiation to worry about. Everyone has their own price though. Good luck to you if you do go. It is a NOBLE and ALTRUISTIC thing to do. My hat is off to any who do risk their lives over there.  Last Edited by Useless Cookie Eater on 03/30/2011 08:14 PM |
| 911Bob User ID: 1067231 United States03/30/2011 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bob, PM me over a very basic resume of pertinent skills with contact info. I will fax it over to Japan. Quoting: DFOHell, give me a week or two and I may go myself.. Im not promoting this, not involved in any way. I was just made the offer and thought others might be interested in hearing about the cattle call. They are going down the rung quite a ways to get to me. Im in no way a nuclear specialist, but I have done pipe welding and demo on a US reactor, same GE Mark 1 BWR as those in Japan. I can say I know how to navigate them, have a basic idea of whats what and where it is and how it connects to what. Other than that and being involved in several major petrochem constuction projects I have no pertinent experience, yet I was still offered. Seems apparent that they are desperately seeking workers, and if you study, 20 or 25 rads over a few days isnt a big deal, especially if you are older. I just sent you a PM. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1321338 United States03/30/2011 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1204100 Australia03/30/2011 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 781996 United States03/30/2011 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there must be a whole stack of terminal patients out there that havent started their therapy yet, let them do it, might be good for their health that otherwise stinks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1204100Also prisoners and poor people who volunteer for clinical testing of pharmaceutical drugs. Ans maybe some of the military who enlisted just to get their tuition paid for. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293796 United States03/30/2011 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It took the Russians 500,000 "volunteers" to "clean up" Chernobyl and get it entombed. Quoting: Burt Gummer- 200,000 of them are permanently disabled - 20,000 are known dead Fukushima has SIX reactors....not just one. Do the math...and you will see why they need HUMAN ROBOTS. How much of your lifespan is worth $15,000??? sounds like over 50% are just fine |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293796 United States03/30/2011 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In regards to the truth? Yeah, I aint good at trust. Got a sticker on my Cessna that sums it up: In God we trust, everything else we check, twice. Quoting: DFOI wouldnt take their word for much at face value, but one can learn much in pre work briefing. Would also do like I did at Trojan, ie take my own dosiometers, and compare them to TEPCOs. Wonder about the financial health of a company that probably is soon to be sued out of existence. Will you even get paid? Its certainly a consideration. Promise the moon, then declare bankruptcy. Would happen in America, have no reason to trust the Japanese on this. Bottom line is someone has to step up. I dont have a problem stepping up to 25 rad, provided I can accomplish something. doesnt seem like enough cash, but then again what the hell is involved here? No I don't have experience cleaning up meltdowns. probably not many living people do. so what type of experience are you looking for? |
| Burt Gummer User ID: 1310405 United States03/30/2011 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It took the Russians 500,000 "volunteers" to "clean up" Chernobyl and get it entombed. Quoting: Burt Gummer- 200,000 of them are permanently disabled - 20,000 are known dead Fukushima has SIX reactors....not just one. Do the math...and you will see why they need HUMAN ROBOTS. How much of your lifespan is worth $15,000??? sounds like over 50% are just fine Sure....sure....flip a coin.... LIVE - versus - DIE or MAIMED for life ...for $15,000????  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1293796 United States03/30/2011 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It took the Russians 500,000 "volunteers" to "clean up" Chernobyl and get it entombed. Quoting: Burt Gummer- 200,000 of them are permanently disabled - 20,000 are known dead Fukushima has SIX reactors....not just one. Do the math...and you will see why they need HUMAN ROBOTS. How much of your lifespan is worth $15,000??? sounds like over 50% are just fine Sure....sure....flip a coin.... LIVE - versus - DIE or MAIMED for life ...for $15,000???? desperate times, and all that..lol anyway I would like to know more about it. I wont have the ncessary experience but what the hell. I owned a concrete foundation company that went under when housing market crashed. i have been working in a low wage, shithole plant making train parts for a couple years now. I went back to college again so I stay pretty busy, but I need a change bad. i am going crazy working at machines all day everyday..I would do just about anything to get out of Michigan about now. plus the wife left when the cash started to run out, leaving me with son to try and finish out school. Mortgage is many months behind, short sale is imminent. Once school year is over, he's off to college and Im buying a new bike and off to a new life, hopefully |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 711379 United States03/30/2011 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| 911Bob User ID: 1067231 United States03/30/2011 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It took the Russians 500,000 "volunteers" to "clean up" Chernobyl and get it entombed. Quoting: Burt Gummer- 200,000 of them are permanently disabled - 20,000 are known dead Fukushima has SIX reactors....not just one. Do the math...and you will see why they need HUMAN ROBOTS. How much of your lifespan is worth $15,000??? sounds like over 50% are just fine Sure....sure....flip a coin.... LIVE - versus - DIE or MAIMED for life ...for $15,000???? If I decided to spend a week to go do this. It would be for reasons other than money. Who is? If nobody steps up, we all suffer the consequences. You, me, our wives, our kids, our grand kids. I kinda see it as Spock said it. "logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." So, if asked, I'll roll the dice. Last Edited by 911Bob on 03/31/2011 12:46 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297169 United States03/31/2011 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Burt Gummer User ID: 1310405 United States03/31/2011 01:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell them you want five million an hour at least you can leave something for your kids Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297169Exactly. If you are going to go out in a GLOWING BALL OF FIRE....it needs to be worth it. You up it to 250K or 500K and watch the people line up. TRUE that.... The needs of "the many" DO outweigh "the few"...... ...BUT.... "The few" who are consumed should be compensated so that their families never have to worry about money again in their lifetimes. |
| 911Bob User ID: 1067231 United States03/31/2011 01:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell them you want five million an hour at least you can leave something for your kids Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297169Exactly. If you are going to go out in a GLOWING BALL OF FIRE....it needs to be worth it. You up it to 250K or 500K and watch the people line up. TRUE that.... The needs of "the many" DO outweigh "the few"...... ...BUT.... "The few" who are consumed should be compensated so that their families never have to worry about money again in their lifetimes. I follow your thinking. I have no death wish. 15k is what was thrown out. I do not think it will entice the sheer numbers of workers they will need. Who knows what 250k-500k FRNs will be worth when this is over. How about their families never have to worry about radio active fallout again from Japan in their lifetimes. If these reactors puke this shit out for years, money will mean nothing to any of us. Last Edited by 911Bob on 03/31/2011 01:30 AM |
| Burt Gummer User ID: 1310405 United States03/31/2011 01:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | tell them you want five million an hour at least you can leave something for your kids Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297169Exactly. If you are going to go out in a GLOWING BALL OF FIRE....it needs to be worth it. You up it to 250K or 500K and watch the people line up. TRUE that.... The needs of "the many" DO outweigh "the few"...... ...BUT.... "The few" who are consumed should be compensated so that their families never have to worry about money again in their lifetimes. I follow your thinking. I have no death wish. 15k is what was thrown out. I do not think it will entice the sheer numbers of workers they will need. Who knows what 250k-500k FRNs will be worth when this is over. How about their families never have to worry about radio active fallout again from Japan in their lifetimes. If these reactors puke this shit out for years, money will mean nothing to any of us. Time....and level of desperation....will tell.  |
