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In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!

 
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I know...let's do away with these bastards, the whole lot of them. Then let's go back to a gold standard like the way things out to be.
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the REAL problem in this world is overpopulation which drains many different aspects on other peoples lives, then I believe second in line behind overpopulation is inequality. Both inequality and overpopulation can be easily fixed, but the elites in control have no interest in fixing them; therefore, the only way to fix them is to overthrow the elites.
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the REAL problem in this world is overpopulation which drains many different aspects on other peoples lives, then I believe second in line behind overpopulation is inequality. Both inequality and overpopulation can be easily fixed, but the elites in control have no interest in fixing them; therefore, the only way to fix them is to overthrow the elites.
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The real problem? The real problem lack of innovations.
A medical industry without cures.
A department of energy, that helps no one become energy independent.
A government that cares nothing about freedom, but only taxation, and financial slavery.
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Everyone likes to speak of 'The Real Problem' as if, there's only one. LOL.

However tonight I'll offer one solution, to a real problem, that's the 2nd American Depression.


So far there's been no visible will to reverse the deliberate & engineered collapse. If the will & desire existed it could be reversed & rather quickly by first reinstating the Stock Transfer Tax.


The United States had a transfer tax from 1914 to 1966. The Revenue Act of 1914 levied a 0.2 percent tax on all sales and transfers of stock. In 1932, Congress more than doubled the tax to help financial recovery and job creation during the Great Depression.
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Everyone likes to speak of 'The Real Problem' as if, there's only one. LOL.

However tonight I'll offer one solution, to a real problem, that's the 2nd American Depression.


So far there's been no visible will to reverse the deliberate & engineered collapse. If the will & desire existed it could be reversed & rather quickly by first reinstating the Stock Transfer Tax.


The United States had a transfer tax from 1914 to 1966. The Revenue Act of 1914 levied a 0.2 percent tax on all sales and transfers of stock. In 1932, Congress more than doubled the tax to help financial recovery and job creation during the Great Depression.
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the REAL problem in this world is overpopulation which drains many different aspects on other peoples lives, then I believe second in line behind overpopulation is inequality. Both inequality and overpopulation can be easily fixed, but the elites in control have no interest in fixing them; therefore, the only way to fix them is to overthrow the elites.
 Quoting: the future is doomed?


The real problem? The real problem lack of innovations.
A medical industry without cures.
A department of energy, that helps no one become energy independent.
A government that cares nothing about freedom, but only taxation, and financial slavery.
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All of those problems you mention truly stem in my opinion from the elites. The elites control EVERYTHING. I agree with your problems though. They are very serious problems that need to be dealt with. They are easy to fix as well if people were held accountable and people actually gave a fuck about improving this world and humanity as a whole.
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Everyone likes to speak of 'The Real Problem' as if, there's only one. LOL.

However tonight I'll offer one solution, to a real problem, that's the 2nd American Depression.


So far there's been no visible will to reverse the deliberate & engineered collapse. If the will & desire existed it could be reversed & rather quickly by first reinstating the Stock Transfer Tax.


The United States had a transfer tax from 1914 to 1966. The Revenue Act of 1914 levied a 0.2 percent tax on all sales and transfers of stock. In 1932, Congress more than doubled the tax to help financial recovery and job creation during the Great Depression.
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Your idea might work for a little while but the real key is to stop spending and stop corruption. in my opinion.
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But but there are many among us that love being slaves
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But but there are many among us that love being slaves
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how true
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THE SOLUTION:


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This video should go viral
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My God you are an idiot. 100 years ago was 1911. It was know as the era of the Robber Barrons when people worked up to 16 hours a day six days a week in miserable conditions.

In fact, we just passed the 100 year anniversary of the Shirtwaist Factory fire where 146 people died in a sweatshop. The youngest were 2 14 year old girls.

If you support a system like that, you are a sick individual.
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Umm...revising and simplifying tax code and down-sizing government does not mean repealing labor laws.
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The printed capitol letters on your birth certificate, drivers license, check book, credit cards, etc., confirm that you're a slave with no rights. Capitus Diminutio Maxima. You're a dummy corporation slave.

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bump
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also interesting that prior to the credit boom created by the fed from 1913-1929, existing businesses in the US tended to grow organically, i.e. reinvesting their profits as they went along, rather than growing by using credit/debt to fund the growth. and that during the ~200 years of the gold standard there was no inflation.

"It is impossible to grasp the meaning of the idea of sound money if one does not realize that it was devised as an instrument for the protection of civil liberties against despotic inroads on the part of governments. Ideologically it belongs in the same class with political constitutions and bills of rights. The demand for constitutional guarantees and for bills of rights was a reaction against arbitrary rule and the non-observance of old customs by kings." Ludwig von Mises

i'm all for the occupy movement, especially if they correctly ID the perpetrators of the crime against humanity that is fiat money, the private companies aka central banks.
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bump great info in here
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december 21st 2012 .... the contract is expired ...
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december 21st 2012 .... the contract is expired ...
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Great freedom.
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december 21st 2012 .... the contract is expired ...
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And then what? The money changers and controllers will offer the new solution...
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I know...let's do away with these bastards, the whole lot of them. Then let's go back to a gold standard like the way things out to be.
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Agreed, but how?
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Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

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"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."
 Quoting: GodFrequency


My God you are an idiot. 100 years ago was 1911. It was know as the era of the Robber Barrons when people worked up to 16 hours a day six days a week in miserable conditions.

In fact, we just passed the 100 year anniversary of the Shirtwaist Factory fire where 146 people died in a sweatshop. The youngest were 2 14 year old girls.

If you support a system like that, you are a sick individual.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323849


You honestly think it's any different now? Child labor? still happens. miserable work conditions? still happens. 16 hour + work days? still happens. The only difference is that we use illegal immigrants, and outsource the crappy jobs to other countries where child labor laws aren't enforced/don't exist. Every time you take a bite of a chocolate bar or take a sip of coffee you're supporting that very same system. Not that you care. Out of sight, out of mind huh?
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Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS:
"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."
 Quoting: GodFrequency


My God you are an idiot. 100 years ago was 1911. It was know as the era of the Robber Barrons when people worked up to 16 hours a day six days a week in miserable conditions.

In fact, we just passed the 100 year anniversary of the Shirtwaist Factory fire where 146 people died in a sweatshop. The youngest were 2 14 year old girls.

If you support a system like that, you are a sick individual.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323849


You are confusing technological advances that of coarse would have made all our lives easier with taxes. You honestly think that all those taxes set you free? Give you more freedom? No, it's slavery. What is the difference between working all day for a robber baron, and working all day for the government? Half your life is spent working for the government, and that is a conservative estimate.
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No national debt???

Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1900 - 1949


07/01/1913 2,916,204,913.66
07/01/1912 2,868,373,874.16
07/01/1911 2,765,600,606.69
07/01/1910 2,652,665,838.04
07/01/1909 2,639,546,241.04
07/01/1908 2,626,806,271.54
07/01/1907 2,457,188,061.54
07/01/1906 2,337,161,839.04
07/01/1905 2,274,615,063.84
07/01/1904 2,264,003,585.14
07/01/1903 2,202,464,781.89
07/01/1902 2,158,610,445.89
07/01/1901 2,143,326,933.89
07/01/1900 2,136,961,091.67


[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]
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And those are silver dollars, about .77 OZ ASW which will cost you around 30$ today.

So an equalized money comparison would be about 30X as much, so in 1900, about 64.1 Billion in our current currency.
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slavery is slavery.
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I know...let's do away with these bastards, the whole lot of them. Then let's go back to a gold standard like the way things out to be.
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+1

And it is, of course, pure coincidence that 99% of the top Federal Reserve operatives are members of a certain, Chosen Tribe!

damned
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I know...let's do away with these bastards, the whole lot of them. Then let's go back to a gold standard like the way things out to be.
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+1

And it is, of course, pure coincidence that 99% of the top Federal Reserve operatives are members of a certain, Chosen Tribe!

damned
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The gold standard sounds great, but those in power are the ones buying massive amounts of physical silver and gold, so as long as the bankers gold and silver are taken from them and all their wealth confiscated after the collapse, then sure, a gold standard, or at least a currency backed by something like land, food, industry, anything tangible, that cannot be counterfeited.
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In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.
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I'm not sure how this makes sense? I don't think OP wants us to give up inventions, knowhow, machines. Could you explain your point?
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The OP and the right wing in general like to think that the income tax, central banking and "socialism" are making us slaves.

The reality is that due to laws passed and enforced by the government we have greatly advanced as a society and are much better off than our great grandparents who lived as little more than chattel to the capitalist exploiters.
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So wrong, it's a myth, we are way overtaxed to the point where it's not profitable to own things any ore... Debt is slavery
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There was also no infrastructure.

Food took 40% of a persons average wage.

Average homes were 450 sq ft.
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Yes and about 1/2 of the tax the federal govt DID get was from high taxes on liquor/beer/wine.
In the run up to prohibition those taxes had to be replaced and that was done with income taxes.
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In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162395

I'm not sure how this makes sense? I don't think OP wants us to give up inventions, knowhow, machines. Could you explain your point?
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The OP and the right wing in general like to think that the income tax, central banking and "socialism" are making us slaves.

The reality is that due to laws passed and enforced by the government we have greatly advanced as a society and are much better off than our great grandparents who lived as little more than chattel to the capitalist exploiters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162395


So wrong, it's a myth, we are way overtaxed to the point where it's not profitable to own things any ore... Debt is slavery
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Overtaxed compared to what other countries? Somalia?
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I know...let's do away with these bastards, the whole lot of them. Then let's go back to a gold standard like the way things out to be.
 Quoting: the future is doomed?


+1

And it is, of course, pure coincidence that 99% of the top Federal Reserve operatives are members of a certain, Chosen Tribe!

damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4010591


The gold standard sounds great, but those in power are the ones buying massive amounts of physical silver and gold, so as long as the bankers gold and silver are taken from them and all their wealth confiscated after the collapse, then sure, a gold standard, or at least a currency backed by something like land, food, industry, anything tangible, that cannot be counterfeited.
 Quoting: GodFrequency


There must be a return to a Gold, or Bi-Metallic, Standard, with a massive revaluation of the PMs, in "dollar" terms (for those chumps who say that there is not enough gold and silver to support a metal-backed currency standard).

Or we are all doomed.

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