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In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!

 
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No national debt???

Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1900 - 1949


07/01/1913 2,916,204,913.66
07/01/1912 2,868,373,874.16
07/01/1911 2,765,600,606.69
07/01/1910 2,652,665,838.04
07/01/1909 2,639,546,241.04
07/01/1908 2,626,806,271.54
07/01/1907 2,457,188,061.54
07/01/1906 2,337,161,839.04
07/01/1905 2,274,615,063.84
07/01/1904 2,264,003,585.14
07/01/1903 2,202,464,781.89
07/01/1902 2,158,610,445.89
07/01/1901 2,143,326,933.89
07/01/1900 2,136,961,091.67


[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]
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And those are silver dollars, about .77 OZ ASW which will cost you around 30$ today.

So an equalized money comparison would be about 30X as much, so in 1900, about 64.1 Billion in our current currency.
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Funny, that quote you quoted has disappeared...

Someone didn't like facts being reported and hit the 'abuse' button??

There was national debt in the 1800s too.

The elites have run this world for centuries, it's only gotten more complex is all.

The notion that if they got rid of the Fed that the elites would lose their power, like it's some magic Ring or something is completely daft.
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1162395

I'm not sure how this makes sense? I don't think OP wants us to give up inventions, knowhow, machines. Could you explain your point?
 Quoting: button


The OP and the right wing in general like to think that the income tax, central banking and "socialism" are making us slaves.

The reality is that due to laws passed and enforced by the government we have greatly advanced as a society and are much better off than our great grandparents who lived as little more than chattel to the capitalist exploiters.
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The chattel you speak of were created with robber barons paying off political leaders to create a nation of slaves. It's amazing how that exact same thing is happening now, and it's all government sanctioned slavery. In fact at this very moment Bank of America is dumping trillions of dollars of derivatives debt off into an FDIC (public taxpayer insured) account in order to enslave us even further and your wonderful government is doing nothing.

Governments are the exploiters, just like you will never truly have the freedom to vote for who really runs your life. You will never see the Federal Reserve owners on your ballot, or the IMF, or the United Nations, or JP Morgan, or Wells Fargo, or any of the others. They are your true masters, and it is because of the corruption in government with both democrats and republicans that it has taken place. So don't give me anymore of your right wing, left wing bullshit dimwit, Obama could have ended the wars, he could have stopped the bailouts, and the financial raping of the American Public but he didn't. Why not? Because you are a slave!

What's your dipshit solution? Give a very few, even more power! Idiots! You are a freaking slave! You are owned, your stupid ass is stamped with a social security number, and it might as well be a nazi jewish tattoo, because it is how they track you, and it is what they have been trading and selling in order to create the debts they've created. You are being bought and sold on a daily basis, your labor, and your future are owned by slave masters, and your too stupid to realize it! Worse yet, your begging for a even more powerful slave master to come and reward you your freedoms, and what you are entitled to. Guess what, no one is going to show up to save your ass, or set you free, because it's all in your mind, you are a mental midget, someone who is fed a spoon full of shit and begs for more. You not only swallow it with a smile, but beg for more of the same shit. What the hell happened to freedom?

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" I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be on of the worst ruled , one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilised world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Woodrow Wilson
..reflecting on signing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
I am currently at an occupy protest and an elderly american man who has dual citizenship came up and gave me this book he wrote on The Fed. He does not live in the U.S. A lot of good information in this. Please pass and post it. You can tell he took a long time researching it. Judge for yourselves.

P. S. You need Microsoft Office/works to view it.


[link to www.mediafire.com]

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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
I am currently at an occupy protest and an elderly american man who has dual citizenship came up and gave me this book he wrote on The Fed. He does not live in the U.S. A lot of good information in this. Please pass and post it. You can tell he took a long time researching it. Judge for yourselves.

P. S. You need Microsoft Office/works to view it.


[link to www.mediafire.com]
 Quoting: sleuth1


Dude why dont yall occupy the fed?
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
Americans have been living under one set of Taxes or another since the first colonists came here and brough Taxes with them. Too bad they couldn't have just left them in Europe.

Americans even came to demand that the people they conqueored also join them in becoming tax slaves.

The creation of the Federal Reserve and the IRS did not create the state of being a Tax slave.. the colonial governments did, as did the United States under the Articles of Confederation, and the later (and ongoing) current United States of America. You are also Tax Slaves to your eState, and to your County and to your City as well... and even, yes, to your Land LORD... or the Bank...
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The Rothschild funded all of the Industry in this country, all the early millionares. The same people have been in control for 150 years. You cannot fight what you do not understand, Learn your history and then Occupy the real enemy
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

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The Rothschild funded all of the Industry in this country, all the early millionares. The same people have been in control for 150 years. You cannot fight what you do not understand, Learn your history and then Occupy the real enemy
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Agreed. It has been going on forever, and yes 1912 was just another brick in the wall, and another link in the chain.
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In 1912 we were free, then we were programmed, and now we are enslaved.
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THe sad thing is they can't even argue that this wonderful system of taxation by the Federal Reserve Banking Family has worked, our nation is now on the verge of financial collapse!

The Federal Reserve's only job was to stabilize the market, and avoid depressions through the stabilization of our currency!

It's pretty much fucking failed I think!

Can we get rid of them now?

This whole idea of an audit is bullshit, look at the debt, and the economy!

www.usdebtclock.org
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Yep. and JP Morgan owned the Titanic and got off the Boat just before it sailed. So much History distorted!
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Why don't you act within the law and use lawful money. When you do the tax from the irs isn't a problem.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
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THE SOLUTION:



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clappa

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Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS:
"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."
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In Austria you need a license to breathe and you are taxed when you fart
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It was a treasonous conspiracy to overthrow the USA by financial means and it worked. Only now are significant numbers of people becoming aware but it is far too late. The walls were built around the people as they slept and they awake only now when their fate is sealed and obvious before them. Doom. DOOM! DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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In 1912, most were slaves in other ways...
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Yep. and JP Morgan owned the Titanic and got off the Boat just before it sailed. So much History distorted!
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Yep, I'm so sick of this shit...
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You know the OP is wrong, yes?

So here's a nice BS flag for spreading a lie.

bsflag
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The real numbers:

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fuck the fuckin feds hope they burn alive or all kill themselves out of shame
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" I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be on of the worst ruled , one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilised world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Woodrow Wilson
..reflecting on signing the Federal Reserve Act of 1913
 Quoting: smokahontas


sadly noone listened..verysad
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
National debt in 1912:

$2,868,373,874.16

[link to 130.94.230.21]

Federal Income Tax was low in 1912 but high before and after.

Other countries have had fiat currency and federal banks and their tax and debt are different to the US', meaning that the concept of fiat money and central banking is not purely the cause of the US' financial woes.

And guess what, we're not slaves either. It's a popular conspiracy theory, but it's just not true.
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You know the OP is wrong, yes?

So here's a nice BS flag for spreading a lie.

bsflag
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what are you a complete idiot? sheeplebah
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You know the OP is wrong, yes?

So here's a nice BS flag for spreading a lie.

bsflag
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what are you a complete idiot? sheeplebah
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No, I'm someone that checks the facts. The OPs facts are wrong.

Learn to think for yourself, not just believe ideas that match what you WANT to be true.

There was a national debt in 1912. There was income tax before and after 1912. Central banking and fiat currency have existed for decades and don't cause slavery... or much of anything... they're a tool. In some places they're used well, in others they are abused.
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You know the OP is wrong, yes?

So here's a nice BS flag for spreading a lie.

bsflag
 Quoting: seethelight


what are you a complete idiot? sheeplebah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788508


No, I'm someone that checks the facts. The OPs facts are wrong.

Learn to think for yourself, not just believe ideas that match what you WANT to be true.

There was a national debt in 1912. There was income tax before and after 1912. Central banking and fiat currency have existed for decades and don't cause slavery... or much of anything... they're a tool. In some places they're used well, in others they are abused.
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Law can't demand an impossibility. The remedy is in 12 UScode sec. 411
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You know the OP is wrong, yes?

So here's a nice BS flag for spreading a lie.

bsflag
 Quoting: seethelight


what are you a complete idiot? sheeplebah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788508


No, I'm someone that checks the facts. The OPs facts are wrong.

Learn to think for yourself, not just believe ideas that match what you WANT to be true.

There was a national debt in 1912. There was income tax before and after 1912. Central banking and fiat currency have existed for decades and don't cause slavery... or much of anything... they're a tool. In some places they're used well, in others they are abused.
 Quoting: seethelight


Law can't demand an impossibility. The remedy is in 12 UScode sec. 411
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Complete red herring.
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what are you a complete idiot? sheeplebah
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788508


No, I'm someone that checks the facts. The OPs facts are wrong.

Learn to think for yourself, not just believe ideas that match what you WANT to be true.

There was a national debt in 1912. There was income tax before and after 1912. Central banking and fiat currency have existed for decades and don't cause slavery... or much of anything... they're a tool. In some places they're used well, in others they are abused.
 Quoting: seethelight


Law can't demand an impossibility. The remedy is in 12 UScode sec. 411
 Quoting: ossbogosley


Complete red herring.
 Quoting: seethelight


What are you fishing for?
Don't believe anything, only know it.
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Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS:
"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."
 Quoting: GodFrequency


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