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In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!

 
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without taxes, who would support all the black war projects?
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Why don't you act within the law and use lawful money. When you do the tax from the irs isn't a problem.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
 Quoting: ossbogosley


Solution ^^^^^^^^ is in that thread.

Not hot air and complaining, but workable and proven by many.
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Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS:
"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."
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Don't forget the Death Tax, the final taxation of your being even while your dead, lol.
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without taxes, who would support all the black war projects?
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Get a clue, when you endorse without restriction you are saying you like the fed. res. elastic interest bearing notes better than US notes(lawful money). You just funded black ops.
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Thread: federal reserve banking system
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Why don't you act within the law and use lawful money. When you do the tax from the irs isn't a problem.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
 Quoting: ossbogosley


Solution ^^^^^^^^ is in that thread.

Not hot air and complaining, but workable and proven by many.
 Quoting: NOFED HERE 15339449


i'm reading through this now but can you summarize here to make it easier?

ive never been too worried about taxes but once the fed is abolished why not abolish the IRS as well? fuck income tax on the federal level
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I [ut this on page 78 just to bring it back around. The link is a very good short read......

First lets bring back some writing from 1984:
Today, we have two competing monetary systems. The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income. Under 26 USC 7609 the IRS has carte blanche authority to summon and investigate bank records for the purpose of determining tax liabilities or discovering unknown taxpayers: 'United States v. Berg' 636 F.2d 203 (1980). If an investigation of bank records discloses an excess of $1000 in deposits in a single year, the IRS may accept this as prima facie evidence that the account holder uses private credit and is therefore a person obligated to make a return of income. Anyone who uses private credit -- e.g., bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, etc. -- voluntarily plugs himself into the system and obligates himself to file. A taxpayer is allowed to claim a $1000 personal deduction when filing his return. The average taxpayer in the course of a year uses United States coins in vending machines, parking meters, small change, etc., and this public money must be deducted when computing the charge for using private credit.

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Sure are a lot of people here talking about what life was like in 1912 who don't know jack shit about the subject.
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Why don't you act within the law and use lawful money. When you do the tax from the irs isn't a problem.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
 Quoting: ossbogosley


Solution ^^^^^^^^ is in that thread.

Not hot air and complaining, but workable and proven by many.
 Quoting: NOFED HERE 15339449


That thread is full of BS.

For instance, the national debt is not "simply the interest on loans the US has taken" and ending the fed would not erase national debt.

There was huge debt before the fed, lots of countries have the eqivalent of the Fed ad don't have massive debts, etc.

The end the fed nonsense is simpleminded delusion.
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Why don't you act within the law and use lawful money. When you do the tax from the irs isn't a problem.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
 Quoting: ossbogosley


Solution ^^^^^^^^ is in that thread.

Not hot air and complaining, but workable and proven by many.
 Quoting: NOFED HERE 15339449


That thread is full of BS.

For instance, the national debt is not "simply the interest on loans the US has taken" and ending the fed would not erase national debt.

There was huge debt before the fed, lots of countries have the eqivalent of the Fed ad don't have massive debts, etc.

The end the fed nonsense is simpleminded delusion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9994281


On June 5, 1933, the day of infamy arrived. Congress on that date enacted House Joint Resolution 192, which provided that the people convert or turn in their gold coins in exchange for Federal Reserve notes. Through the operation of law, H.J.R. 192 took us off the gold standard and placed us on the dollar standard where the dollar could be manipulated by private interests for their self-serving benefit. By this single act the people and their wealth were delivered to the bankers. When gold coinage was thus pulled out of circulation, large denomination Federal Reserve notes were issued to fill the void. As a consequence the public money supply in circulation was greatly diminished, and the debt-laden private credit of the Fed gained supremacy. This action made private individuals who had been previously exempt from federal income taxes now liable for them, since the general public began consuming and using large amounts of private credit. Notice all the case law prior to 1933 which affirms that income is a profit or gain which arises from a government granted privilege. After 1933, however, the case law no longer emphatically declares that income is exclusively corporate profit or that it arises from a privilege. So, what changed? Two years after H.J.R. 192, Congress passed the Social Security Act, which the Supreme Court upheld as a valid act imposing a valid income tax: 'Charles C. Steward Mach. Co. v, Davis' 301 U.S. 548 (1937).
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"Debt" through coercion and fraud is not real debt.

Did you get up this morning and eat a bowl of stupid?
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One of the best threads I've seen on GLP in a long time. Thanks!
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MisInformation with a small amount of facts is called a myth, Fact check:

The United States has had public debt since its inception. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions again

The US debt in 1910 was 2.6 billion dollars and growing to 25.9 billion in 1920.

[link to www.edinformatics.com]

Also, the was a bad ass recession in play at that time.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

True the Federal income tax was not around then and the federal reserve act had to wait until 1913 - 1914 in YET ANOTHER RECESSION.
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The public debt in 1912 was 2.87 Billion Dollars.
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MisInformation with a small amount of facts is called a myth, Fact check:

The United States has had public debt since its inception. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions again

The US debt in 1910 was 2.6 billion dollars and growing to 25.9 billion in 1920.

[link to www.edinformatics.com]

Also, the was a bad ass recession in play at that time.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

True the Federal income tax was not around then and the federal reserve act had to wait until 1913 - 1914 in YET ANOTHER RECESSION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2160618


And today the US debt increases by approximately $4 billion per day.

We've come a long way baby.
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MisInformation with a small amount of facts is called a myth, Fact check:

The United States has had public debt since its inception. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions again

The US debt in 1910 was 2.6 billion dollars and growing to 25.9 billion in 1920.

[link to www.edinformatics.com]

Also, the was a bad ass recession in play at that time.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

True the Federal income tax was not around then and the federal reserve act had to wait until 1913 - 1914 in YET ANOTHER RECESSION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2160618


And today the US debt increases by approximately $4 billion per day.

We've come a long way baby.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Im quite sure that there is an economist that can figure the debt in 1912 to today's dollars you may be surprised as to what it was in todays dollars.

Nothing new here folks. National Debt has been around before the birth of the US, since the US began, then, now and afer wards.

PAY YO TAXES
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What's your point? The pussies decided to adopt socialist policies a long time ago and that can only be "sustained" through taxes and printing monopoly money.

Too many fucking assholes in this day in age want mommy and daddy government to wipe their asses because they've been taught to be afraid of every little fucking thing in the world.
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In 1912 there was no colossal military to support.
There was no colossal welfare state to support.
There was no colossal federal bureaucracy to support.

A. If we gave up the military tomorrow,
we'd be attacked the day after tomorrow,
and we'd be speaking Chinese or Russian by the end
of the week.

B. If we gave up the welfare state tomorrow.
half the country that depends on government checks
would burn the country to the ground.
Then the other half would be eaten by the
zombie cannibals.

C. If we gave up the federal bureaucracy tomorrow,
see A. and B.

We are long past ANY solution to the mess we are
in.
No nation that has sunk as low as we have has
survived.
In fact, we don't deserve to survive.

We have become a vile, wicked, morally and
financially bankrupt nation.


Our future is inevitable.
The United States is going to collapse financially,
or militarily, or both.
WWIII coming up.
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MisInformation with a small amount of facts is called a myth, Fact check:

The United States has had public debt since its inception. Debts incurred during the American Revolutionary War and under the Articles of Confederation led to the first yearly reported value of $75,463,476.52 on January 1, 1791. Over the following 45 years, the debt grew, briefly contracted to zero on January 8, 1835 under President Andrew Jackson but then quickly grew into the millions again

The US debt in 1910 was 2.6 billion dollars and growing to 25.9 billion in 1920.

[link to www.edinformatics.com]

Also, the was a bad ass recession in play at that time.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

True the Federal income tax was not around then and the federal reserve act had to wait until 1913 - 1914 in YET ANOTHER RECESSION.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2160618


And today the US debt increases by approximately $4 billion per day.

We've come a long way baby.
 Quoting: Adventus Domini


Im quite sure that there is an economist that can figure the debt in 1912 to today's dollars you may be surprised as to what it was in todays dollars.

Nothing new here folks. National Debt has been around before the birth of the US, since the US began, then, now and afer wards.

PAY YO TAXES
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The social construct can pay for what it created, not my fault they can't understand a budget.
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many here are forgetting that we were a debtor nation back then. big difference from today.
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move to another country.
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In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.
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disinfo, in the 1850's a man could work six months a year a raise a family of 10
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It is true that the US Government, in all its forms, has almost always been in debt.

However, that is not to say that the all the people of this nation have always been in debt, because that is false.

The DEBT today is put upon all US Citizens, man, woman or child and everything they produce is, by lien, owned by the Federal Reserve and the US Government, that is the difference.

The GDP is the yearly PAYMENT on the interest and service of the debt, it does nothing to actually pay principal on the debt, that is why, since 1933 it has grown at an exponential rate. The debt is not based on a GOLD Standard any more, but the elastic nature of Federal Reserve Credit (expressed in $$ which is not money, but debt and interest).

As for the idiot poster telling me this thread:

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

"is full of BS" YOU are full of BS, there is no way you read a 73 page thread since it was linked here, much less taken the time to actually sort out all the information and facts provided there.

If everyone in the US stopped endorsing Federal Reserve Credit, it would collapse, because like any business, it needs customers to keep it going.

You endorse the Federal Reserve with every transaction not redeemed in lawful money, therefore, YOU LOVE AND SUPPORT IT no matter what BS your mouth spews about it.
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I would be careful, if Paul sees your post he may burst into tears from his secret holding cell. And you hate to see an elderly, crying man with dirty diapers, in captivity.
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It is true that the US Government, in all its forms, has almost always been in debt.

However, that is not to say that the all the people of this nation have always been in debt, because that is false.

The DEBT today is put upon all US Citizens, man, woman or child and everything they produce is, by lien, owned by the Federal Reserve and the US Government, that is the difference.

The GDP is the yearly PAYMENT on the interest and service of the debt, it does nothing to actually pay principal on the debt, that is why, since 1933 it has grown at an exponential rate. The debt is not based on a GOLD Standard any more, but the elastic nature of Federal Reserve Credit (expressed in $$ which is not money, but debt and interest).

As for the idiot poster telling me this thread:

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

"is full of BS" YOU are full of BS, there is no way you read a 73 page thread since it was linked here, much less taken the time to actually sort out all the information and facts provided there.

If everyone in the US stopped endorsing Federal Reserve Credit, it would collapse, because like any business, it needs customers to keep it going.

You endorse the Federal Reserve with every transaction not redeemed in lawful money, therefore, YOU LOVE AND SUPPORT IT no matter what BS your mouth spews about it.
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Because there has been a lack of true education most people don't know how or why they contract. I have spent 42 years contracting remodeling and have learned when and what to sign and how to keep my word. With the education I had and the parents who questioned the system, I could have worked for corp. america, but I chose a path I thought would lead to freedom for myself and others. I'm just trying to spread truth. If we knew everything we were doing wrong and stopped wouldn't life be better. Signing the back of a check is a small thing to do, but when butterfly wings flap.....
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For a country that was founded on a tax revolution, the subject says it all. The massive amount of taxes that caused our ancestors to lead a revolution was 2% of their yearly income! That's right they were so outraged by this attack on their freedom that they literally grabbed their guns and started blowing peoples heads off in the form of open warfare! What a bunch of radicals! The only difference between them and us, is that they wouldn't stand for someone trying to take their freedoms, and we just simply won't stand up for freedom. Argue if you will but facts are facts. For some their enslavement is too painful to acknowledge.

Two types of Government now exist on planet earth, the old fashioned dictatorships and those pretending to be free countries (USA, France, Germany, England, Japan, Ireland, etc. etc.) which are nothing more than bank owned dictatorships.

sheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheep

Pull back the curtain and there sits the Wizard!
Say hello to those who run your lives and farm all of us human cattle!

shitstir2

If you'll notice at the bottom of this list of who owns your ass, you will find none other than General Electric who guess what, didn't pay a dime in taxes this year! Surprise surprise!

[link to www.save-a-patriot.org]

Read on below as all of those that are receiving payment from your enslavement post about the wonders and freedoms and benefits they are providing to you, that you cannot live without. They will post things like people worked harder back then, and act as if socialism invented the tractor, the telephone, electricity and everything else that has improved our lives today. Wait Watch and listen, here they come! Notice their arguments not one of them will be about your freedom, but the plastic beeds they trade back to you with the real labor you gave to them in the first place.

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