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In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!

 
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Your facts are 100% correct but I have one simple question. Let's say we were to go back to pre taxes era. How would we pay for infrastructure.

How do you suggest we pay lets say for roads?
Police
Fire Department.

Should we just make these things a private entitiy and pay say service fees like higher Tolls? Or fire deparmtent fees where only ones that pay get serviced?

Ohh wait but than isn't that the same FUCKING thing with a different Name on it. FEES/TAXES

Yesour governments are not efficient at using our taxes but the reality is that without them we would not have advance in our world.

So unless you plan on picking cotton again for a living. Suck it up and pay your taxes and instead focus on changing our government to be more transaprent and efficient with your money.
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Instead of just sucking it up, we can spread awareness about the illegality of the fed and the 16th amendment. A responsible citizen should know where their money is going. You dont think the founding fathers thought about how to pay for infrastructure?
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.
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disinfo, in the 1850's a man could work six months a year a raise a family of 10
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With a life expectancy of 40 years. An infant mortility rate of 217 per 1000. Yeah thats better than today right?
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And life expentancy and infant mortality have gotten much better because of the fed and income tax?

Do you see what you are defending? Do you even think about what you are saying?
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In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.
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disinfo, in the 1850's a man could work six months a year a raise a family of 10
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With a life expectancy of 40 years. An infant mortility rate of 217 per 1000. Yeah thats better than today right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2160618


And life expentancy and infant mortality have gotten much better because of the fed and income tax?

Do you see what you are defending? Do you even think about what you are saying?
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Its hard to know who is genuine. Why the unpin? Is trying to impeach obama more important than exposing the evils of taxes?
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
I've always wanted to work out how much I'm actually paying in taxes per month. Taxes on petrol, food stuff, rent, heating, water, gas, clothing, train tickets, beer, cigs etc etc etc. I bet at the end and when all taxes have been added together it will be a shocking amount taken from my monthly wage.

And all that tax money goes to the government/banks and what have they done to earn a slice of my hard earnt cash? NOTHING! I just have to hand it over it to them coz it's a law that they've made.
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Nothing? How much do you pay for healthcare? How about clean water? Sewage? Education? Roads? Etc...
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And none of these things would be available without government? Is that your position?

No healthcare, no sanitation, no education, roads etc?

I don't think so. I think government is the god that failed.

That is becoming clearer every day.
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
There was also no infrastructure.

Food took 40% of a persons average wage.

Average homes were 450 sq ft.
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So every bit of credit you claim is the result of more government, higher and higher taxes, and more and more laws?

Things got better in spite of government. Government retards and stifles innovation, creativity, rigs markets, and creates problems where none exist.
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...

I'm not sure how this makes sense? I don't think OP wants us to give up inventions, knowhow, machines. Could you explain your point?
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The OP and the right wing in general like to think that the income tax, central banking and "socialism" are making us slaves.

The reality is that due to laws passed and enforced by the government we have greatly advanced as a society and are much better off than our great grandparents who lived as little more than chattel to the capitalist exploiters.
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So wrong, it's a myth, we are way overtaxed to the point where it's not profitable to own things any ore... Debt is slavery
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Overtaxed compared to what other countries? Somalia?
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Why do you think a comparison to ANY other country is valid?
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Why was this thread unpinned? Pls repin? Thank you.
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
Your facts are 100% correct but I have one simple question. Let's say we were to go back to pre taxes era. How would we pay for infrastructure.

How do you suggest we pay lets say for roads?
Police
Fire Department.

Should we just make these things a private entitiy and pay say service fees like higher Tolls? Or fire deparmtent fees where only ones that pay get serviced?

Ohh wait but than isn't that the same FUCKING thing with a different Name on it. FEES/TAXES

Yesour governments are not efficient at using our taxes but the reality is that without them we would not have advance in our world.

So unless you plan on picking cotton again for a living. Suck it up and pay your taxes and instead focus on changing our government to be more transaprent and efficient with your money.
 Quoting: Ready2bugout


Hitler built 3 million houses, created 3000 new farms, rebuilt the major cities , created the autobahns, ended unemployment,Germany went from the basket case of europe economically to one of the strongest nations in the world in six years BY PRINTING THEIR OWN CURRENCY instead of borrowing from the Rothschilds Banking system.
Incidentally the NZ Government did much the same ( built houses and roads etc ) until they were threatened with trade sanctions unless we stopped creating our own money supply
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

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"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."
 Quoting: GodFrequency


My God you are an idiot. 100 years ago was 1911. It was know as the era of the Robber Barrons when people worked up to 16 hours a day six days a week in miserable conditions.

In fact, we just passed the 100 year anniversary of the Shirtwaist Factory fire where 146 people died in a sweatshop. The youngest were 2 14 year old girls.

If you support a system like that, you are a sick individual.
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If you support what the US is fast becoming, a totalitarian police state, you are even sicker.
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
Hey, roads and bridges and telephones and so on ain't free. Someone has to pay for it.

Neither are groceries. Why do I pay private citizens a voluntarily agreed-upon price for groceries but I am forced to pay the government whatever it decides I am going to pay for "roads, bridges and telephones"???

Yes, the tax system should be simplified.

It'll never be simplified for the same reason a money-laundering operation will never be simplified. It has to be complex by its very nature to conceal its true purpose and encourage the propaganda myths with which it is surrounded. We are taxed so our rulers can live at our expense. The rest is just details.

The very reason it is so complex is because the rich don't pay their share and have devised all kinds of hidden ways to make the middle and lower middle class pay more.

The rich-vs-government is the most hilarious myth of all. The rich are, by and large, the government's front-line tax collectors. Don't you get it? The argument is not whether the rich should be taxed but, rather, how much of the tax benefit should go straight to Washington DC and how much should be left in the hands of the publicani - the wealthy CEOs, corporate board members and other corporatists who send your taxes in to IRS Headquarters every two weeks. Democrats are aligned with the central power and Republicans are aligned with the publicani. And then they sell the public this big charade that this whole political struggle has something to do with the little people just to keep us fat, dumb and happy.

In fact, your list includes taxes payed by the very lower class that lots of Repubtards claim pay 'no taxes'. Obviously they do, and lots of them.

The tax schedule is designed to be spread across as many people as possible to reduce the potential for revolt. This is why the middle-class is effectively taxed the most heavily because the middle-class is responsible for the largest portion of total economic activity. Taking a little slice from all of that activity creates the smallest total "psychological burden" and creates the minimal chance of tax revolt. Taxation is a goddamn science, nothing about it is an accident or the result of gridlock or confusion of some kind, all appearances aside.

But if you think the average American almost 100 years ago was well off you need to crack open some actual history books and spend less time copying down Paultard talking points.

We were certainly free 200 years ago than today, the blight of slavery, of course, excepted.

My grandmother was a child around then, and as a child (in the New England States) she had to fetch all household water from a well, washed her clothes in a nearby river, help on the family farm and her mother died of tuberculosis when she was ten - a common disease then, mostly preventable and curable now. Many more children were orphans because the second highest cause of death (after tuberculosis) among young women was childbirth.

The average person back then had maybe one or two outfits (that's why closets in old houses were so small) and bathed maybe once a month. There was no TV, no radio, and most people had no central heating, no indoor plumbing, no electricity, had to grow a lot of their own food, were illiterate, saw most of their children die in infancy and often didn't last long themselves.


None of that has anything to do with taxation.
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EXCELLENT reply to the statist. You are dead right.
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Re: In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!
Well, thank you for the long day of being pinned. I appreciate it, even more so, because it was a green pin and someone thought this important enough to spend their karma on it.

Anyway, thank you.


Freedom is never free

taxes do not equal innovation, cures for disease, or even necessarily infrastructure.

Even with those arguments made.

Gas tax pays for roads infrastructure and highways, 60 cents per gallon, on every single gallon sold across the entire country. I could build some pretty nice roads with that, couldn't you?

Property tax pays for schools, or at least that's what we are told. There not doing so well, no matter how much money we throw at them, because they aren't for teaching, or innovation, or creativity, they are for state and federal programming.

Sales tax pays for the police, the fire department and local governments and their works.

Your utility bills pay the electric companies to bring electricity directly to your house, it's an industry, and if the government would stop regulating it so harshly and hiding and destroying and killing those who come up with energy alternatives, we would all be better off. That's right those taxes you are so proud of are used to kill innovations, not create them

Anyway, open your eyes, and reset and throw out your old programming, and ask

WHY!?
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"You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
Saint Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go;
I owe my soul to the company store."


We all owe the company store. We're all living in one big company town.
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Same here: Tescomunism.
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"You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
Saint Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go;
I owe my soul to the company store."


We all owe the company store. We're all living in one big company town.
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Same here: Tescomunism.
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we're slaves
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In 1912 the national debt was 2.9 billion dollars. Please check your facts.
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In 1912 the national debt was 2.9 billion dollars. Please check your facts.
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and between 1912, and 1918
the debt went from
2 billion
to 18 billion!

Thank you Federal Income tax,
thank you Federal Reserve Bank!

In six short years they multiplied the national debt X 9

The previous six years
1912 around 2 billion
1906 around 2 billion

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Obama will abolished the Fed
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truth is a bitch, and now everything is about taxes
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Obama will abolished the Fed
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The only thing Obama abolished was freedom and prosperity. Dumb fuck libtards.
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Obama will abolished the Fed
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The only thing Obama abolished was freedom and prosperity. Dumb fuck libtards.
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I guess the non president could do that, he's already abolished the constitution, so why not.
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Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:

Liquor Tax

 Quoting: GodFrequency


Interesting note that a Whiskey Excise tax was the first tax ever inacted by the federal government to help pay war debts, as well as pay congressmens' travel expenses (since most were actual public servants and citizens....not career politicians). Of course, people (especially western pennsylvania) revolted and shot up whiskey barrels of people producing and paying whiskey taxes. The tax stood until Jefferson won the presidency and repealed the tax.

The only reason the tax lasted that long was because Washington pardoned those who attempted the Whiskey Revolt.

Hamilton (the federalist) was the person responsible for this tax, as well as a few others. Once Jefferson came to be president, the federalist party was destroyed. Also, Hamilton was soon shot in a dual by the Vice President over slanderous remarks for the election of governor of New York.

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Use federal reserve notes and incur an Irrecusable obligation. The puzzle is complete!!!
A Banksters defeatism (realization of defeat) nightmare, Being forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money, Use the Remedy within the Federal Reserve Act. Redeemed 12USC411 – [link to www.law.cornell.edu]
Refusal Penalty 12USC501a – [link to www.law.cornell.edu]
[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net] Stop being a Slave!!!!!! This is Tax Free Money!!!!!! [link to stormthunder.com] Convincing Congress to Abolish the Fed [link to www.silverbearcafe.com] Irrecusable obligation, which according to ‘Bouvier’s Law Dictionary’ (1914 ed.), is “a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own.” This is distinguished from a recusable obligation, which according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The Income Tax succinctly described is an irrecusable obligation.
The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent, which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law, which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply.
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Titanic connection, who was on that ship
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John Jacob Astor IV was on it and JP Morgan had plans but cancelled at the last minute
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There was also no infrastructure.

Food took 40% of a persons average wage.

Average homes were 450 sq ft.
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what kind of parasite are you? fedguv, local or state?
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Obama will abolished the Fed
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"will abolished" Typical half literate imbecile laugh