In 1912 there was no Federal Income Tax, no national debt, and NO FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Now we are taxed slaves!

now back to work slaves

well, it's true.

What's your point? The pussies decided to adopt socialist policies a long time ago and that can only be "sustained" through taxes and printing monopoly money.

Too many fucking assholes in this day in age want mommy and daddy government to wipe their asses because they've been taught to be afraid of every little fucking thing in the world.

In 1912, people worked 12-14 hour days 6 days a week for slave wages. I'll take 21st century working conditions, thank you.

I'm not sure how this makes sense? I don't think OP wants us to give up inventions, knowhow, machines. Could you explain your point?

Last Edited by button on 04/01/2011 06:18 AM

OP



No national debt???

Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 1900 - 1949


07/01/1913 2,916,204,913.66
07/01/1912 2,868,373,874.16
07/01/1911 2,765,600,606.69
07/01/1910 2,652,665,838.04
07/01/1909 2,639,546,241.04
07/01/1908 2,626,806,271.54
07/01/1907 2,457,188,061.54
07/01/1906 2,337,161,839.04
07/01/1905 2,274,615,063.84
07/01/1904 2,264,003,585.14
07/01/1903 2,202,464,781.89
07/01/1902 2,158,610,445.89
07/01/1901 2,143,326,933.89
07/01/1900 2,136,961,091.67


[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]

I've always wanted to work out how much I'm actually paying in taxes per month. Taxes on petrol, food stuff, rent, heating, water, gas, clothing, train tickets, beer, cigs etc etc etc. I bet at the end and when all taxes have been added together it will be a shocking amount taken from my monthly wage.

And all that tax money goes to the government/banks and what have they done to earn a slice of my hard earnt cash? NOTHING! I just have to hand it over it to them coz it's a law that they've made.

The OP and the right wing in general like to think that the income tax, central banking and "socialism" are making us slaves.

The reality is that due to laws passed and enforced by the government we have greatly advanced as a society and are much better off than our great grandparents who lived as little more than chattel to the capitalist exploiters.

Nothing? How much do you pay for healthcare? How about clean water? Sewage? Education? Roads? Etc...

There was also no infrastructure.

Food took 40% of a persons average wage.

Average homes were 450 sq ft.

Titanic connection, who was on that ship

OP is right.

"You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
Saint Peter, don't you call me, 'cause I can't go;
I owe my soul to the company store."

We all owe the company store. We're all living in one big company town.

Fast forward to 2030. History will be repeated. The difference being that you'll be taxed slaves as well.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Your local banks nor the Federal Reserve main banks will give you anything but FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES, so do not ask! You do not need anything else!!

[link to ustreas.gov (secure)]

Both United States Notes and Federal Reserve Notes are parts of our national currency and both are legal tender. They circulate as money in the same way. However, the issuing authority for them comes from different statutes. United States Notes were redeemable in gold until 1933, when the United States abandoned the gold standard. Since then, both currencies have served essentially the same purpose, and have had the same value. Because United States Notes serve no function that is not already adequately served by Federal Reserve Notes, their issuance was discontinued, and none have been placed in to circulation since January 21, 1971."

Federal Reserve notes are, UPON DEMAND, lawful money. The banks now do all of the exchanging and crediting of accounts being redeemed in lawful money in house.

They will not give you US Bank notes, they cannot, it is against the law for them to deal in them.

Nor will they accept deposits of Gold coins for the same reason.

IT IS YOUR DEMAND THAT MAKES THE TRANSITION from Federal Reserve Credit/debt to LAWFUL MONEY because you act as one of the PEOPLE when you do it, not as a US Corporate US Citizen.


You sign all of your deposit slips and checks like this:

"Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value."

By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME

Most people just get a stamp made (without the signature, of course and stamp the checks and deposit slips. The bank calls them "restricted endorsements".

The banks will not like this, because they cannot fractional-ise the deposit amount. But that is all in house and has nothing to do with your demand.

Some people keep a copy of all checks and deposits or the bank will sometimes send them back. ATMS now give a copy of the check, front and back, so you can keep that as your record.

You sign all of your deposit slips and checks like this:

"Deposit for credit on account or exchange for non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value."

By: Your signature DBA ALL CAPS NAME

Most people just get a stamp made (without the signature, of course and stamp the checks and deposit slips. The bank calls them "restricted endorsements".

The banks will not like this, because they cannot fractional-ise the deposit amount. But that is all in house and has nothing to do with your demand.

Some people keep a copy of all checks and deposits or the bank will sometimes send them back. ATMS now give a copy of the check, front and back, so you can keep that as your record.

People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977.

Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions.

As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4.

Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that.

The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands.

As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX
are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value.

I'm really blown away by how many socialist Government employees post here at Godlike Productions. Something is seriously wrong here. I think this place is infiltrated with Government hacks working for the Government.

Well guess what hacks, the sheeple are waking up, and the pitch forks and torches will be next.

Here is you're Governments greed! They will never stop, because they can't stop.

Interesting List of Taxes that exist today

TAXES:
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense (tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and
local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax

COMMENTS:
"Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world and only one parent had to work to support the family."

It'll be OK, though. . .it's just part of our corporate judgment:

[link to www.gods-kingdom-ministries.org]

<< Skipping to the year 1914, the Federal Reserve Act created a Central Bank that consolidated the unlawful and unconstitutional banking practices into a single private banking system through which the American economy and government could be controlled and managed from behind the scenes.

This is what turned Babylon from a mere "country" into an "empire" in the modern era. It was a repeat performance 2,520 years after the original biblical empire. >>

Don't forget all of the FEES that your state puts on you!

My God you are an idiot. 100 years ago was 1911. It was know as the era of the Robber Barrons when people worked up to 16 hours a day six days a week in miserable conditions.

In fact, we just passed the 100 year anniversary of the Shirtwaist Factory fire where 146 people died in a sweatshop. The youngest were 2 14 year old girls.

If you support a system like that, you are a sick individual.

Or, you could stop playing the game.

Get out of debt. Stop playing the debt game. Today, you can make a decision. Tomorrow might be different.

Not saying I like how things are working now. I don't, a lot. But a lot of what I don't like is the way the collusion of leaders of industry and top politicians are dragging us BACK to the conditions of 1910.

I happen to like Social Security, Medicare, cancer research, the EPA, OSHA, minimum wage, the Federal highway system, clean water, city sanitation, Yosemite and other National parks, etc.

What is happening today is, of course, that the agencies that defend us from the robber barons; those agencies that keep employers from creating blatantly unsafe working conditions or dumping toxins willy-nilly about them or painting children's toys with lead are being defanged. Are being systematically dismantled in order to increase profits -- aka, increase the money earned by a very small number of already extremely wealthy individuals.

Does any of these savings trickle down to the worker? No. When US Mines is allowed to skirt safety regulations, that doesn't translate in to higher pay for miners, or cheaper energy costs. It translates into mine disasters.

There is a new breed of politician out there, inheritors of the mantle of Boss Tweed. They have figured out how to cozy up to the worst of the modern robber barons, and take the bribes they offer to create slick media campaigns in which they manage to sound as if they are doing something entirely different than they are.

They talk about "socialism" and claim they are protecting the worker and the individual. And nothing is further from the truth.

Hey, roads and bridges and telephones and so on ain't free. Someone has to pay for it.

Yes, the tax system should be simplified. The very reason it is so complex is because the rich don't pay their share and have devised all kinds of hidden ways to make the middle and lower middle class pay more. In fact, your list includes taxes payed by the very lower class that lots of Repubtards claim pay 'no taxes'. Obviously they do, and lots of them.

But if you think the average American almost 100 years ago was well off you need to crack open some actual history books and spend less time copying down Paultard talking points.

My grandmother was a child around then, and as a child (in the New England States) she had to fetch all household water from a well, washed her clothes in a nearby river, help on the family farm and her mother died of tuberculosis when she was ten - a common disease then, mostly preventable and curable now. Many more children were orphans because the second highest cause of death (after tuberculosis) among young women was childbirth.

The average person back then had maybe one or two outfits (that's why closets in old houses were so small) and bathed maybe once a month. There was no TV, no radio, and most people had no central heating, no indoor plumbing, no electricity, had to grow a lot of their own food, were illiterate, saw most of their children die in infancy and often didn't last long themselves.

THE SOLUTION:

There is no way you can possibly know how much the government costs you. If you're poor or lower-class, the government may be costing you as little as 50% of your productivity. But if you're middle or upper-middle class, I think a case can be made that the government effectively takes 90+% of your productivity. It's truly depressing.

Hey, roads and bridges and telephones and so on ain't free. Someone has to pay for it.

Neither are groceries. Why do I pay private citizens a voluntarily agreed-upon price for groceries but I am forced to pay the government whatever it decides I am going to pay for "roads, bridges and telephones"???

Yes, the tax system should be simplified.

It'll never be simplified for the same reason a money-laundering operation will never be simplified. It has to be complex by its very nature to conceal its true purpose and encourage the propaganda myths with which it is surrounded. We are taxed so our rulers can live at our expense. The rest is just details.

The very reason it is so complex is because the rich don't pay their share and have devised all kinds of hidden ways to make the middle and lower middle class pay more.

The rich-vs-government is the most hilarious myth of all. The rich are, by and large, the government's front-line tax collectors. Don't you get it? The argument is not whether the rich should be taxed but, rather, how much of the tax benefit should go straight to Washington DC and how much should be left in the hands of the publicani - the wealthy CEOs, corporate board members and other corporatists who send your taxes in to IRS Headquarters every two weeks. Democrats are aligned with the central power and Republicans are aligned with the publicani. And then they sell the public this big charade that this whole political struggle has something to do with the little people just to keep us fat, dumb and happy.

In fact, your list includes taxes payed by the very lower class that lots of Repubtards claim pay 'no taxes'. Obviously they do, and lots of them.

The tax schedule is designed to be spread across as many people as possible to reduce the potential for revolt. This is why the middle-class is effectively taxed the most heavily because the middle-class is responsible for the largest portion of total economic activity. Taking a little slice from all of that activity creates the smallest total "psychological burden" and creates the minimal chance of tax revolt. Taxation is a goddamn science, nothing about it is an accident or the result of gridlock or confusion of some kind, all appearances aside.

But if you think the average American almost 100 years ago was well off you need to crack open some actual history books and spend less time copying down Paultard talking points.

We were certainly free 200 years ago than today, the blight of slavery, of course, excepted.

My grandmother was a child around then, and as a child (in the New England States) she had to fetch all household water from a well, washed her clothes in a nearby river, help on the family farm and her mother died of tuberculosis when she was ten - a common disease then, mostly preventable and curable now. Many more children were orphans because the second highest cause of death (after tuberculosis) among young women was childbirth.

The average person back then had maybe one or two outfits (that's why closets in old houses were so small) and bathed maybe once a month. There was no TV, no radio, and most people had no central heating, no indoor plumbing, no electricity, had to grow a lot of their own food, were illiterate, saw most of their children die in infancy and often didn't last long themselves.

None of that has anything to do with taxation.

Everyone keeps talking like it is the Federal Government that has made us prosperous. We are the true power, we are the ones who work and labor and sweat.

The Federal Government is a vampire living off of the wealth that we create. We do it! It's our labor! It's our creativity! It's our inventions! We are the ones they take from. They do not exist without us!

I believe in us! Not them! I believe in Freedom!





Do you not even understand who it is that you are paying your hard work and labor to? It's not the Federal Government, it's the bankers, it's wall street, it's those drunk on corrupt power.

What a silly idea. We are brainwashed and subsequently dependent on our government to take care of us.

This was great, but does nothing to explain how I am going to regain my freedom. The amount they would have to tax to regain any solvency would be around million dollars for every working individual in the United States. [link to www.usdebtclock.org]
With a real unemployment of around 20% according to [link to www.shadowstats.com] that equals 10 out of the 50 states completely unemployed. In an economy which is based 72% off of consumption. A collapsing currency that is being dumped world wide on a daily basis.
[link to www.bloomberg.com]
Trade deficits that run on as far as the eye can see, our industrial might being gutted by free trade, our energy sector being systematically shut down in order to make us weak, Municipals that are going bankrupt, states that are going bankrupt, and a Federal Reserve Bank who is the biggest investor in stocks in the United States, and one of the only buyers of their own debt through the treasury ponzi scheme.

You are like a tick stuck to a dead dog that has been killed by parasites! You think this ride is going to keep going?