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Can We Know When? Can we know the timing of the rapture and the end of the age?

 
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49 days to go until May 21st
This paste is from Harold Campings - The Book has been opened !



For as long as most of us can remember, we have always been taught that no one can ever know for certain when the world will end. The Bible was carefully crafted by God so that we would think that for the last 2,000 years. The church had a mandate: Go into all the world with the Gospel. It was not God’s intent for the church to concern itself with the timing of the end. It had a mission to accomplish and spending time deciphering the end of time did not fit into that mission, so God sealed that information up. However, now we have found that we can know the timing of the end, not because we are smarter than theologians of the past, but simply because it was God’s purpose to hide it from mankind until now.

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Coming as a Thief in the Night (1 Thessalonians 5:2-6)
Almost anyone who grew up in the church, myself included, remembers being told over and over that Christ’s coming will be like a thief in the night. In other words, no one can know when His coming will occur. One place we read about this is in First Thessalonians 5:2-6, so let’s examine this passage verse by verse, beginning with verses 2 and 3:
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
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Teachers in the past have always used these verses as proof that people will be caught off-guard by Christ’s coming. It is true that these verses are teaching that, but verses 4 and 5 instruct us that there’s more to the story:
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Here we discover that there are some people who will not be caught off-guard by Christ’s second coming. We have all been taught time and time again that Christ’s coming will be like a thief in the night, but here we have a clear statement (at least, it’s clear to us now) that it will not come as a thief for the children of light. The light of the world is Christ (John 8:12). Therefore, the children of light are the believers. They are the ones God is addressing here. Verse 6 then reminds us to watch:
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
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If it's a thief in the night you won't know about it....neener2
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So we learn that those who will not be caught off-guard are those who are not “sleeping,” those who are watching. This does not mean those who are watching will simply know that Christ’s coming must be getting close. According to the 2008 World Almanac, about one-third of the world’s population calls itself Christian. Recent studies indicate that about 85% of professing Christians believe the end of the world is near, so there are about 2 billion people who think we are living in the end times. This large percentage of the world’s population is not the group of people God is referring to when He says the end will not come as a thief in the night for the children of light. In fact, in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 God is specifically addressing just the churches, just those who claim to be His people, and there He says that if they don’t watch then He will come as a thief in the night to them:
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. (Revelation 3:3)
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I have some old Camping books from the late 80's early 90's.
He was a false prophet then and probably still is.
Be careful on what you declare as truth from this man.
Peace.
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I am so glad I am not your daughter or grandchild..

To you life is over and you welcome it? No goals, nothing.. sad..


Why don't ya try living life and stop trying to read the future. Isn't that a sin anyway? lol....
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We find another statement in Mark reminding us to watch and not sleep:
Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. (Mark 13:35-37)
We will see that those who are “sleeping” are not those out in the world who want nothing to do with God, but they are those in the Christian community who continue to hold the belief that we can’t know when the end will occur. Remember, we saw in the last chapter that God defines “sleeping” as not having spiritual eyes opened to understand the truth (Romans 11:7-8).
When we examined Second Thessalonians chapter 2 we saw that as a result of the churches’ desire to cling to their doctrines without continually re-examining them, God is sending them strong delusion to keep them in their lies:
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11)
We find another passage in Isaiah that reminds us that sometimes spiritual blindness (“sleeping”) is a result of God’s judgment:
For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed (Isaiah 29:10-11)
We are being taught here that we can know enough about the timing of the end that it will not come unexpectedly if we are watching. How do we watch? Do we go stand on a hilltop and look at the sky? No, of course not. We aren’t going to find any information in the sky about when to expect Christ’s return so that it does not come as a thief in the night. We watch by studying God’s Word very carefully. That is the only way we can obtain any information about what to expect and when.
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Stay strong ICE!
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Recent studies indicate that about 85% of professing Christians believe the end of the world is near, so there are about 2 billion people who think we are living in the end times.
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Interesting. You're worried about knowing the exact time the "end" will come and I'm worried that according to you, some 2 billion people are batshit crazy.
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As I was praying this morning with only 49 days to go I felt sad for so many that do not study or even open the Bible.

Nothing that I could say about the rapture will have one once of a ringing of truth for you. You will laugh it all off as you have laughed off the Bible and it's truth your entire life.

For those going to church you will not allow the study to come close to you based on the teaching above. You are sure that day will come as a thief. That teaching is not what the Bible says.

So those that laugh off the Bible - no hope

Those lost in the church - no hope


If your faith is in Christ and His cross - the only hope!
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Make yourself useful, Ice.

Go to Japan and help work on those melting reactors.

It's the Christian thing to do.

Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 15:13
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the teaching below is important for this time !!

we are to watch and to watch in the fear of God







As mentioned earlier, the Bible teaches that if we don’t watch, then yes it is true that the Rapture will come as a thief in the night (Revelation 3:3). This is how we know that watching means to study the Bible and learn the timing of the end. The Bible does actually teach that we are to be studying time:
Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man’s heart discerneth both time and judgment. (Ecclesiastes 8:5)
We read in Luke chapter 12 about the servant who was not paying attention to when his lord might return:
But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. (Luke 12:45-46)






This parable is speaking of someone who professes to be a Christian. It isn’t speaking of someone out in the world that wants nothing to do with the Bible. This is evident by the phrase, “My lord delayeth his coming.” This is someone who identifies himself with Christ.
The churches are filled with Christians who say, “We can’t know when Christ is coming so there’s no point in talking about it or looking for clues.” This kind of statement is the opposite of watching. It is like the servant who says, “My lord delayeth his coming.” And it is true that for those who have this attitude Christ will come at an hour when they are not expecting.

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Pics of you giving away all your worldly possessions, since you are so sure..


Or it isn't gonna happen..

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What about Not Knowing the Day or Hour? (Mark 13:31-33)
We also read about not knowing the day or hour of Christ’s return in Mark 13:31-33. The first verse of that passage is clearly speaking about the end of the world:
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Mark 13:31)
Then in the next verse we read that no man knows the day or hour:
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32)
For centuries theologians have interpreted this verse as teaching that no man can have knowledge of the timing of the end. However, the Bible also uses the word “know” to imply experience. For example:
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. (Genesis 4:1)
So the question is, what definition of “know” does God have in mind here? This verse says that Christ doesn’t know the day or hour. Does Christ have knowledge of when the end will come? Of course He does; He’s Almighty God and timing is not hidden from Him:

Why, seeing times are not hidden from the Almighty, do they that know him not see his days? (Job 24:1)
So we must understand Mark 13:32 as stating that no man has experienced the end. Well, that’s kind of an obvious statement, isn’t it? Why would God put such an odd statement in the Bible that initially appears to so clearly say something different? As we’ve learned, God has intentionally hidden the end-times information. In order to do this, He had to use confusing language.
More understanding of this can be gained in Matthew chapter 24, so let’s look at a passage in that chapter.

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The Days of Noah (Matthew 24:36-39)
We also find the statement that no man knows the day or hour in Matthew 24:36-69:
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Here we are reminded that we can learn something about the end of the world by looking at the Flood. The implication here is that everyone is going about their business as usual, as if destruction is not about to come.
Remember that the population of the earth was much smaller back in Noah’s day, probably about one million people. Also, the continents had not yet been divided so the world was not as segregated as it is today. Noah spent 120 years building the ark (Genesis 6:3). Given that God describes Noah as a preacher of righteousness (2 Peter 2:5), we can be sure that he didn’t quietly work for 120 years on the ark and never warn anyone of the judgment that was going to come.
All through Scripture we read of God warning people of the destruction that was about to befall them. Think of Moses warning Pharaoh, Isaiah warning Israel, Jeremiah warning Judah, and Jonah warning Nineveh. We know that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8), which means we can know something about how He will behave in the future by looking at how He has behaved in the past. Based on the patterns we see in the Bible, we know that Noah was warning the world of impending destruction. How does the world react to these warnings? With the exception of Nineveh, those who are warned have always ignored the warnings.
Returning to our passage in Matthew chapter 24, God tells us that the world will not know the day of His coming, just as it was in the days of Noah. This can’t be teaching that no one will have the information about when His coming will occur because that’s not how it was in Noah’s day. At the very least, Noah and his family knew the exact day when the Flood would occur. This brings up another point…
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I am so glad I am not your daughter or grandchild..

To you life is over and you welcome it? No goals, nothing.. sad..


Why don't ya try living life and stop trying to read the future. Isn't that a sin anyway? lol....
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my goal is to love my family with the love of Christ daily!
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See ya in 50 days.
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As I was praying this morning with only 49 days to go I felt sad for so many that do not study or even open the Bible.

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Oh, bullshit. It's perfectly obvious all you Rapture freaks can hardly wait for Jeebus to come back and wreak vengeance on all of us non-believers who think you're batshit crazy.

It's the ultimate revenge fantasy,isn't it? All those people who laugh at your bullshit and hypocrisy being slain left and right by your "savior".

Too bad it's just that - a fantasy.

But you aren't fooling anyone with your phony "sadness" for the fate you have planned for us. I can almost hear you rubbing your hands in glee at the thought of all those people who think (rightfully so) that you're daft burning in hell for all eternity.

Oh, I know most of you also have a "conversion" obsession. But I don't think it's got anything to do with compassion for our fates if we don't "see the light". Nah, I think it has a heck of a lot more to do with getting as many people as possible to agree with your hallucinations to try to calm the nagging fears that maybe the doubters are right and you really ARE totally fucking nuts to believe this crap.

Convinced I'm wrong? I'll check back with you on May 22nd. :)
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I am so glad I am not your daughter or grandchild..

To you life is over and you welcome it? No goals, nothing.. sad..


Why don't ya try living life and stop trying to read the future. Isn't that a sin anyway? lol....
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my goal is to love my family with the love of Christ daily!
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For if you love them which love you, what reward have you? do not even the publicans the same?

Matthew 5:46
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Very few people that study the Bible believe the Bible does reveal the timing of the last day. It is people that have been taught by a lost and dying church that will hang onto false teachings until the last moment.

The church of today looks very much like the church looked 2000 years ago when Jesus had to deal with the false teachings of the church then. They had the Christ standing right in front of them and they could not see Him as the Christ!


Your only hope in the last 49 days of hope is to turn to prayer and a broken heart of repentance.


[link to www.the-latter-rain.com]


If anyone reads this and feels the spirit of truth touch your heart go to the above link and start the basic study.

[link to www.may212011.com]


The other thing I would do is to go to this link and read the free e-book "The Book has been opened"

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Very few people that study the Bible believe the Bible does reveal the timing of the last day. It is people that have been taught by a lost and dying church that will hang onto false teachings until the last moment.

The church of today looks very much like the church looked 2000 years ago when Jesus had to deal with the false teachings of the church then. They had the Christ standing right in front of them and they could not see Him as the Christ!


Your only hope in the last 49 days of hope is to turn to prayer and a broken heart of repentance.


[link to www.the-latter-rain.com]


If anyone reads this and feels the spirit of truth touch your heart go to the above link and start the basic study.

[link to www.may212011.com]


The other thing I would do is to go to this link and read the free e-book "The Book has been opened"
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But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:36

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God did this for Noah and those that didn't believe

I am sure Noah gave the warning because of the number of people that showed up at the Ark when the rain started to fall








God Reveals the Timing of Judgment


God revealed in advance the exact day when judgment would come upon the world in Noah’s day:
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. (Genesis 7:4)
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God revealed in advance the exact day when Nineveh would be destroyed through judgment:
And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. (Jonah 3:4)
God gave advance notice of exactly when Sodom and Gomorrah would be destroyed so that Lot’s family was able to escape just before destruction came:
And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. (Genesis 19:15)
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God gave advance notice of exactly what day He would bring each plague upon Egypt:
And the Lord appointed a set time, saying, To morrow the Lord shall do this thing in the land. (Exodus 9:5)
Behold, to morrow about this time I will cause it to rain a very grievous hail, such as hath not been in Egypt since the foundation thereof even until now. (Exodus 9:18)
Else, if thou refuse to let my people go, behold, to morrow will I bring the locusts into thy coast (Exodus 10:4)
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Again, we can know something about how God will act in the future by looking at how He has acted in the past (Hebrews 13:8). Since He has given advance notice of the precise timing for judgment in the past, we should not be surprised that He is revealing the timing of the end today.
Throughout the Early Rain, God had kept the details of the end times locked within confusing prophecies that had to be worded with difficult language in order to keep them hidden for over 1,900 years. It was the task of the church to go into the world with the Gospel throughout the Early Rain. It was not God’s intention for the church to worry itself with the timing of the end.
To that end, God also placed statements in the Bible that seem to be indicating that we can’t know anything about when the end will occur. However, now that we are seeing all of these time clues we wonder, “How can it be that there are time clues when supposedly we aren’t to know the timing?” Then as we re-examine these statements we’ve known for so long (i.e. Christ is coming as a thief in the night) we find that new light is being shed on them.
Christ is not coming as a thief in the night to those who are watching. The end is almost here and the time for this to be revealed to man has come. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those in the churches will continue to latch onto the idea that we can’t know the day or the hour
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They will lock
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themselves in with tunnel vision and hide behind that verse rather than face all the time clues we will examine in the next chapter.
Some people feel that we shouldn’t bother ourselves with long discussions of the end of the world. However, as God reveals more information to us about the end times He commands believers to warn the world, not sit quietly on the information and keep it to ourselves:
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand. (Joel 2:1)
When we look at Ezekiel 33:2-6 below, we notice that it teaches us two very bold truths:
1. It is the responsibility of the believers to warn the world that destruction is coming.
2. When the believers sound the alarm, it is the responsibility of mankind to heed that warning.


Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand. (Ezekiel 33:2-6)

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In other words, we cannot let this topic rest silently in our minds and not be concerned about it.
We might be afraid of daring to say when the world will end because historically such predictions have always been wrong. We might fear we’ll look stupid if we are wrong or that anything else we teach will be discredited. That’s a very valid fear because we really do want to teach truth, and if we aren’t doing so, then we aren’t being faithful to God’s Word.Many of us were raised to believe that we shouldn’t be concerning ourselves with the timing of the end and that we need to just focus on salvation. This is what I was taught growing up in the church. However, we don’t read that concept in the Bible. Instead, we read numerous verses that tell us to watch so that we are not surprised at His coming. The Bible teaches that we should be paying attention to this, learning what we can, and warning the world.
We are now seeing numerous time clues in the Bible that were once hidden. We are going to examine a number of these clues and see that they all support the same conclusion. Keep in mind that all of this information is coming straight out of the Bible. We aren’t going to be basing our conclusion on what we read in the newspaper or what we see in the stars. It’s not based on something God told us in a dream or a prayer. All of it is coming from the Bible alone.

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it is important to hold people like the op up to ridicule so that the masses of unwashed, uneducated, unenlightened humans don't subscribe to this kind of nonsense. his or her kind are primitive fools who make the world a darker more unfreindly place. People like the op are sadly confused and probably should be heavily medicated. Or maybe they allready are medicated and should be detoxed.
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Re: Can We Know When? Can we know the timing of the rapture and the end of the age?
I have posted enough of the Harold Camping book.


I will be posting often until May 21st ! You only have days to turn to God and repent !!!!


There is NO other hope and NO other future outside of Jesus Christ !!!!
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04/01/2011 09:18 AM
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Re: Can We Know When? Can we know the timing of the rapture and the end of the age?
"At a time when ye think not..."

I believe we are living in that season and can know the season but not the day.

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