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FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!

 
Pollyannuh
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FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
Consider yourself an armchair detective?

Want to help solve a murder?

Photos at the link below of the notes after the jump, if you're up for it, gumshoe!

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On June 30, 1999, sheriff’s officers in St. Louis, Missouri discovered the body of 41-year-old Ricky McCormick. He had been murdered and dumped in a field. The only clues regarding the homicide were two encrypted notes found in the victim’s pants pockets.

Despite extensive work by our Cryptanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit (CRRU), as well as help from the American Cryptogram Association, the meanings of those two coded notes remain a mystery to this day, and Ricky McCormick’s murderer has yet to face justice.

“We are really good at what we do,” said CRRU chief Dan Olson, “but we could use some help with this one.”

In fact, Ricky McCormick’s encrypted notes are one of CRRU’s top unsolved cases. “Breaking the code,” said Olson, “could reveal the victim’s whereabouts before his death and could lead to the solution of a homicide. Not every cipher we get arrives at our door under those circumstances.”

Much more including copies of the actual notes at website:

[link to www.fbi.gov]
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04/01/2011 10:00 AM
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the fbi can go fsck themselves. If they are mormon fbi, they can use their missionary partners to do the task.
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
1doh1

It's the thrill of the hunt, not your impression of the alphabet agency.
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04/01/2011 10:14 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
1 time pad.

Save yourself the trouble and forget it.

Zodiac unsolved ciphers are the same.

Wanna have fun ? Try the Kryptos final message at NSA or the Beale papers final message. Funny that both of these have had 3 of 4 messages solved...
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04/01/2011 10:18 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
where in the fuck iss carmen Sandiego?
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04/01/2011 10:20 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
1 time pad.

Save yourself the trouble and forget it.

Zodiac unsolved ciphers are the same.

Wanna have fun ? Try the Kryptos final message at NSA or the Beale papers final message. Funny that both of these have had 3 of 4 messages solved...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1323512


Kryptos: (this is the one of the most, if not best on the subject)
[link to elonka.com]

Beale Papers: (General wiki overview)
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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04/01/2011 10:27 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
Yeah, right.
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04/01/2011 10:31 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
Okay, let's have a go.

Let's find out what we can about the carrier:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"According to the FBI, McCormick was 41 when he died. He was a high school dropout, but was able to read and write and was said to be “street smart.” According to members of his family, McCormick had used such encrypted notes since he was a boy, but apparently no one in his family knows how to decipher the codes. Investigators believe the notes in McCormick’s pockets were written up to three days before his death."



Let's see some other codes he carried. even if unsolved, they would give a glimpse into his life.

Like I said, IMO being "street smart" would indicate a nefarious lifestyle. I would bet that his codes would have to be brute-force attacked and with a little luck you may be able to stumble upon the one-time-pad he used.

Find out more about the man and what he did in his life and you may have a jump point.
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04/01/2011 11:11 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
Since these jokers are paid so well, why couldn't FBI provide the document already in digital text file. What good will a jpeg picture do, look at a raving mad mans the vain scribblings.

Sarcasm aside, consider the period this document was written and the available popular crypto systems used at the time and obscuring software used on bulletin boards systems like ROT-13 ect. I believe at the time, PGP hobbyists were creating substitution/permutation tables to speak over the phone phonetically with the ability to save in note books. This was being done prior to the invention of PGP phone.
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
Since these jokers are paid so well, why couldn't FBI provide the document already in digital text file.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250935


Here ya go cry-baby: (I anticipate a terse response, but you really have not done any linear brute force cracking before have you AC1250935 ?)

If I transposed anything wrong, don't bitch, just fix it and post it. The we can hack & brag about it.

***********************************************
< Page 1 "P1" in circle UR)

(MND MK NEA PSE-n-s-pa-KNA8E) ((ALSM))
_ TFRNE NPtNSENPBSERCBBNSE NPRSE INC
PRSE N MRSE OPRE HLD WLDNCBE( TFXLF TCXL N LBE )
AL-PRPPI T XLY PPIY NCBE MGKSE W LD RCBR NSE PRSE
WLDRCBRN SE N T OGNENTXSE-CRSLE-CTTRSEWLDNCBE
ALW_ N CBETSME L1SE RLSE V R GLSNE AS N WLDN CBE
(NOPFSE NLSRE NCBE) NTEGDDMNSEB CU RERCBRNE
(TENE TFRNE NCBRTSE NCBE 1NG)
( FLRSE PRSE ONDE7) NCBE)
( CDNSE PRSE ON S*E 74 NCBE)
(PRtSE PRSE ON REDE 75 NCBE)
(TF NBCMS-P SOLE MRDE LUSE TOTE WLD n WLDBCBE)
194 WLD'S NCBE) (TRFXL)





< PAGE 2 "NOTES">

*** open circle ***

ALPNTE GLSE - SE ERtE
VLSE MTSE-CTSE-WSE-FRTSE
PWRTRSEONDRSEWLD NCBE
PSLDXLRCMSP NEWLDSTS ME XL

DVLMT 6 TUNSE NCBEXC

*** close circle ***



*** open circle ***

(MUNSA1STENMU NARSE)
KLSE-LKSTE-TR SE TRSE-MKSE n-MRSE
(SAE 6 NSE SE NMRSE)

*** close circle ***
*** Attach circle to above close circle bottom ***
NMNLCBRNSEPTE2PTEWSRCBRNSE
36 MLSE 74SPRKSE 29KCNOB,OLE 173R7RSE
35 GLE CLGSE SUNUTKEDKRSE PSESHLE
651 MTCSE HTLSE N CU TC TRS NMR <-
99.84.5 ZUNEPLSE VCRSE AOLTSENSKSEN_SE
NSREONSE PVTSEWLDNCBE (3 X0RL)

*** close circle ***
*** Attach circle to above close circle bottom ***
_NMSE NRSE 1 N 2 NTRLERCBRNSENTSRCR b
LSPNSE N GSPSE MKSERBSE N CBEAV XL R

H_ CRE N M RE _ CBE 1/2MUNDDLSE

*** close circle ***
*** Attach circle to above close circle bottom ***
D - W - M _ 4 MPL XDRLX

******************************************
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04/01/2011 11:41 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
I wonder if this guy was a consumer of Ovaltine when he was a kid, Ovaltine used radio broadcasts with secret codes that could only decoded by kids with a decoder ring. Something in this guys past sparked him into using codes so he might be using a system prior to the electronic era. His key obviously something personal to him but easy to compute in some transposition or substitutional way by table or geometric shape or something based on a Vernam cipher.

Ref: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Time to feed the savant, Rain man!
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04/01/2011 11:52 AM
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
I wonder if this guy was a consumer of Ovaltine when he was a kid, Ovaltine used radio broadcasts with secret codes that could only decoded by kids with a decoder ring. Something in this guys past sparked him into using codes so he might be using a system prior to the electronic era. His key obviously something personal to him but easy to compute in some transposition or substitutional way by table or geometric shape or something based on a Vernam cipher.

Ref: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Time to feed the savant, Rain man!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250935


Uh, yeah, I'm sure all the basic ways you suggested have been tried. Codebreaking 101. The NSA even has a website for grade school kids with the methods suggested.

IT'S a ONE TIME PAD. Yes, it is personal. No, you cannot use the methods you suggest with any success, esp a Boolean Vernam on a one-time-pad...
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Maybe the guy was just fucking with everyone and it's all garbage.
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
Since these jokers are paid so well, why couldn't FBI provide the document already in digital text file. What good will a jpeg picture do, look at a raving mad mans the vain scribblings.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250935


Actually, I would prefer the jpeg.

In this case, the circling of text body may indicate something that cannot be transcribed.

Look at the way it is circled. Is it by a right-handed person ? Was the carrier of the message a "lefty" ? Little nuances that even a computer would pick up on are invaluable.

Look at the indentation of certain paragraphs and the similarity of the 3 lines. Do they look like steps, directions, coordinates ?

There is something there, but only the creator of this may know. Even the carrier, if he did not write it may not know, as it looks like, with all the effort put into it is not a straight linear code that can be broken by traditional attack.

Find out more about the man. If he hasn't assigned a random string for his one-time pad, then maybe there is a clue in his personality.

I said before that this smells nefarious. Why ?
FBI Laboratory
Cryptanalysis and Racketeering Records Unit
2501 Investigation Parkway
Quantico, VA 22135
Attn: Ricky McCormick Case

Also, it may be a job interview for the alpha agency.
They used to do it with crossword puzzles in the local papers...
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Some good discussions but no results!

Come on super code breakers!

You could put GLP in the big news time slot!
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Some good discussions but no results!

Come on super code breakers!

You could put GLP in the big news time slot!
 Quoting: Pollyannuh


someone on yahoo already solved
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no, no, all other may be too bad readed

(NOPFSE NLSRE NCBE) NTEGD(D/O)MNSE(J/U/N)CU RERCBRNE
(TENE TFRNE NCBRTSE NCBE (1/I)NG)
( FL(R/Q)SE P(R/Q)SE ON DE 71 NCBE)
( CDNSE PRSE ON S(D/O on back is F)E 74 NCBE)
(PR(t/7/z)SE PRSE ON REDE 75 NCBE)
---
(R/Q)SE P(R/Q)SE = SE PRSE ON

(TENE TFRNE NCBRTSE product 1NG)
( FLR some DE7) product)
( CDN some S*E 74 product)
(PRt some REDE 75 product)


lot of
SE
PRSE
SE PRSE ON
WLD
NCBE
may be add fake chars

194 = 74 + 75 + 45 (71)?

i found text
.... . .....ME L... .... . . ..SNE AS N .... ..
mel sneasn, snearson (no school, no good gramatic, but, if writing, crypting, i think, it good in writing)
....... ..... ..... NTEGD...SE. CU RE......
nintengo secure? no
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there's a good reason nobody has been able to work it. not only cyphered, but also "compressed" words (like court reporter words), as well as deliberate mis-spellings. even if you crack it, it'll look like gobbldy gook unless you know his "shorthand" spellings. ill bet his "key" is a book, with a preordained progression of pages and paragraphs. the first 26 characters of the line become a cypher line alphabet. he did it since he was a kid, he was 41 in '99, so no electronic/cyber based encryption. id guess some kids book that would be easily memorized, like a dr seuss or similar. the second page is a "to do" list (all completed). a braindead simple cypher, but impossible to crack without clues.
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GLP can crack it...
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no one can solve this at all. wtf. they have to know what the fuck it says.
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I feel sure its something to do with Nibooboo.

5a
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I wonder if this guy was a consumer of Ovaltine when he was a kid, Ovaltine used radio broadcasts with secret codes that could only decoded by kids with a decoder ring. Something in this guys past sparked him into using codes so he might be using a system prior to the electronic era. His key obviously something personal to him but easy to compute in some transposition or substitutional way by table or geometric shape or something based on a Vernam cipher.

Ref: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Time to feed the savant, Rain man!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1250935


Damn...I pulled found my Little Orphan Annie decoder ring too.
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Re: FBI needs YOUR help in solving decade old encrypted notes in murder mystery!
How about he just wrote a bunch of random symbols and letters that have absolutely no meaning whatsoever, so he could laugh that he stumped the FBI for 13 years...

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