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God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand | |
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DemogorgonIsLord  User ID: 1233159  Switzerland04/02/2011 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand God might not exist, but religion surely does. Religious followers claim that a God or Gods/Goddesses exist. Thus far they haven't offered any reliable, logical, or testable evidence for the existence of these so called Gods or Goddesses. They haven't even offered any good arguments for why these supernatural entities should exist. Quoting: Godless 1254000(If you actually do have a decent argument or piece of evidence, feel free to post it here for all to read) Therefore, the logical position to accept would be that Gods and Goddesses do not exist. This is not a positive claim, this is actually the default claim. To make a positive claim you have to be positing something, in this case, religious followers would be positing that a God exists. In order to convince anyone they would have to provide evidence to show that a God exists. To claim a God does not exist requires no evidence at all, in fact it requires the exact opposite. It is the LACK OF EVIDENCE that supports my position that no God exists. The lack of evidence for Gods/Goddesses is why I believe there are none. In the same vein, the lack of evidence for leprechauns is the sole reason why I believe there are no actual living leprechauns. It is really as simple as that. There isn't anything confusing about this. God doesn't exist, unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to convince me and other skeptics otherwise. Thus far there has been no convincing evidence. I look forward to your responses, cheers! DEMOGORGON is your personal heavenly drinking buddy. HE IS THE ALPHA THE OMEGA, A-to-Z, SOUP TO NUTS GOD THAT CAN DO WONDERS FOR YOUR SEX LIFE. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1254000 United States04/02/2011 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand God might not exist, but religion surely does. Quoting: DemogorgonIsLordWe will always have myths, legends, and fairy tales. And there will always be those who take their fairy tales a tad bit too seriously! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 800597 United States04/02/2011 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand whether you want to call it 'god' or not, everything was created. which in logic means if you work backwards scientifically you get to point zero. since something came from nothing and thus created everything then that object/event/being is 'god'. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1325204 United States04/02/2011 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand whether you want to call it 'god' or not, everything was created. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800597The trees in my backyard were not "created". They grew for tiny seeds over many years. No one sat there and chiseled the trees into shape, painted their leaves, and glued them to the branches. Those trees were not created. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1324727 United States04/02/2011 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand Religious followers claim that a God or Gods/Goddesses exist. Thus far they haven't offered any reliable, logical, or testable evidence for the existence of these so called Gods or Goddesses. They haven't even offered any good arguments for why these supernatural entities should exist. Quoting: Godless 1254000(If you actually do have a decent argument or piece of evidence, feel free to post it here for all to read) Therefore, the logical position to accept would be that Gods and Goddesses do not exist. This is not a positive claim, this is actually the default claim. To make a positive claim you have to be positing something, in this case, religious followers would be positing that a God exists. In order to convince anyone they would have to provide evidence to show that a God exists. To claim a God does not exist requires no evidence at all, in fact it requires the exact opposite. It is the LACK OF EVIDENCE that supports my position that no God exists. The lack of evidence for Gods/Goddesses is why I believe there are none. In the same vein, the lack of evidence for leprechauns is the sole reason why I believe there are no actual living leprechauns. It is really as simple as that. There isn't anything confusing about this. God doesn't exist, unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to convince me and other skeptics otherwise. Thus far there has been no convincing evidence. I look forward to your responses, cheers! the sole evidence for the existence of intelligent beings(us humans) proves God as a real omnipotent reasoning being since we humans also can reason |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 95523 United States04/02/2011 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand whether you want to call it 'god' or not, everything was created. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800597The trees in my backyard were not "created". They grew for tiny seeds over many years. No one sat there and chiseled the trees into shape, painted their leaves, and glued them to the branches. Those trees were not created. Either was your computer or TV they just happened by themselves too. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 800597 United States04/02/2011 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand whether you want to call it 'god' or not, everything was created. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800597The trees in my backyard were not "created". They grew for tiny seeds over many years. No one sat there and chiseled the trees into shape, painted their leaves, and glued them to the branches. Those trees were not created. where did the seeds come from? :-/ |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1062912 United States04/02/2011 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand Therefore, the logical position to accept would be that Gods and Goddesses do not exist. This is not a positive claim, this is actually the default claim. To make a positive claim you have to be positing something, in this case, religious followers would be positing that a God exists. In order to convince anyone they would have to provide evidence to show that a God exists. Quoting: Godless 1254000To claim a God does not exist requires no evidence at all, in fact it requires the exact opposite. It is the LACK OF EVIDENCE that supports my position that no God exists. The lack of evidence for Gods/Goddesses is why I believe there are none. In the same vein, the lack of evidence for leprechauns is the sole reason why I believe there are no actual living leprechauns. It is really as simple as that. There isn't anything confusing about this. God doesn't exist, unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to convince me and other skeptics otherwise. Thus far there has been no convincing evidence. I look forward to your responses, cheers! You're not following the rules of logic, i.e. your reasoning is invalid. Here's where you go wrong: 1) Claiming something doesn't exist is indeed a positive claim whether you'd like it to be or not. 2) Lack of evidence that something exists is not sufficient evidence that something exists. Agnosticism is the only logically defensible position. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 800597 United States04/02/2011 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand Either was your computer or TV they just happened by themselves too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 95523 I'm not even going to bother explaining how much of an idiot you are, just go away. good then that means you're free to tell me where your seeds came from. |
| Neesie User ID: 1320551 United States04/02/2011 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand C.S. Lewis’s famous Trilemma argument . Jesus Christ is reported to have claimed to be God. The reports are either true or false. 1) If the reports are false, the reporters either knew they were false or they did not. 1a) If they knew they were false, they were liars—but who would die for what they know is a lie? 1b) If they did not know, then it is a big problem to explain how legends could accumulate around a historical figure in such a short time. 2) If the reports are true, then Jesus was either speaking falsely or truly. 2a) If Jesus spoke falsely He either knew it or he did not. 2ai) If He knew, He was a liar. 2aii) If He knew not, then He was a lunatic, since a claim to be God is the most absurd claim a mere creature can make. 2b) If Jesus spoke truly, then He really is God. Anti-Christians often charge the Bible with contradicting itself, as they realise that if the charge were proven, it would show that it affirms at least one false statement, thus disproving divine authorship. But most of these sceptics are ignorant of the above definition of a contradiction. For example, Mt. 20:29 ff. which states that Christ healed two blind men does not contradict Mk. 10:46 ff. which states that Bartimaeus was healed, as the latter does not say only Bartimaeus was healed. Some other alleged contradictions can be resolved by showing that words are being used in different senses .A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. C. S. Lewis |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 800597 United States04/02/2011 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand where did the seeds come from? :-/ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800597They seeds fell of other trees that grew before them. where did those trees come from? i'll spend all day taking you to point zero but i'm already bored so i'll jump to it : what came first the tree or the seed? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1322813 United States04/02/2011 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand [the sole evidence for the existence of intelligent beings(us humans) proves God as a real omnipotent reasoning being since we humans also can reason Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324727The sole evidence for the existence of intelligent beings (us humans) proves leprechauns as real omnipotent reasoning beings since we humans also can reason. (Some of us rather poorly, I'm afraid.) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1221221 United States04/02/2011 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand 1. You have no idea whether or not God exists, whether he is a guy in the clouds or a personification of energy. 2. The earth wasn't flat until people sailed around it for the first time, just because you don't have the capability to prove something doesn't mean the proof doesn't exist. 3. Whether or not you believe in God is your issue, nobody really cares. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1322491 United States04/02/2011 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand C.S. Lewis’s famous Trilemma argument . Quoting: NeesieJesus Christ is reported to have claimed to be God. The reports are either true or false. 1) If the reports are false, the reporters either knew they were false or they did not. 1a) If they knew they were false, they were liars—but who would die for what they know is a lie? 1b) If they did not know, then it is a big problem to explain how legends could accumulate around a historical figure in such a short time. 2) If the reports are true, then Jesus was either speaking falsely or truly. 2a) If Jesus spoke falsely He either knew it or he did not. 2ai) If He knew, He was a liar. 2aii) If He knew not, then He was a lunatic, since a claim to be God is the most absurd claim a mere creature can make. 2b) If Jesus spoke truly, then He really is God. Anti-Christians often charge the Bible with contradicting itself, as they realise that if the charge were proven, it would show that it affirms at least one false statement, thus disproving divine authorship. But most of these sceptics are ignorant of the above definition of a contradiction. For example, Mt. 20:29 ff. which states that Christ healed two blind men does not contradict Mk. 10:46 ff. which states that Bartimaeus was healed, as the latter does not say only Bartimaeus was healed. Some other alleged contradictions can be resolved by showing that words are being used in different senses How come the Bible is the ONLY document that documents any of Jesus' life? Why aren't there other historians of the time talking about it? That's what always bothered me. Lack of other corrorborating evidence. Just the Bible. That's it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1324181  United Kingdom04/02/2011 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand There are some things which are beyond the current scope of science. Science for instance, predicts that there are up to fourteen dimensions, yet is currently only able to measure or interact with three of them. So science is as yet unable to prove the existence of God, but that probably won't always be the case. Science is rapidly evolving and developing and at some point in the future we will have scientific tools which are able to probe deeper into the nature of reality. Human consciousness is not subject to the limitations of science and is a much more effective tool for exploring the nature of reality. The evidence which it provides though is of a subjective nature. For instance, I can't prove scientifically that astral projection exists, yet I've experienced it many times and satisfied myself that it is a real phenomenon. You may tell me that I can't prove it exists, but that doesn't matter to me because my experience tells me that it does. So it's what people experience on a personal level that shapes their faith and ideas about the universe, more than current scientific theory. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1221221 United States04/02/2011 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand There are some things which are beyond the current scope of science. Science for instance, predicts that there are up to fourteen dimensions, yet is currently only able to measure or interact with three of them. So science is as yet unable to prove the existence of God, but that probably won't always be the case. Science is rapidly evolving and developing and at some point in the future we will have scientific tools which are able to probe deeper into the nature of reality. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1324181Human consciousness is not subject to the limitations of science and is a much more effective tool for exploring the nature of reality. The evidence which it provides though is of a subjective nature. For instance, I can't prove scientifically that astral projection exists, yet I've experienced it many times and satisfied myself that it is a real phenomenon. You may tell me that I can't prove it exists, but that doesn't matter to me because my experience tells me that it does. So it's what people experience on a personal level that shapes their faith and ideas about the universe, more than current scientific theory. +100,000,000 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1324956 United States04/02/2011 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand yes, may friend, this whole vast magnificent cosmic manifestation is all just a happenstance of the incredible forces of Nature. face it. there ain't no God. the 2 main characteristics of Nature are: *intelligence* and *the drive to perpetuate itself* note: "intelligence" does not mean "God". "intelligence" is merely a phenomenon of Nature. and "intelligence" pervades everything, right down to the order of nuclear and chemical processes, and everywhere else you may look. |
| crazy User ID: 1325216 United States04/02/2011 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand Religious followers claim that a God or Gods/Goddesses exist. Thus far they haven't offered any reliable, logical, or testable evidence for the existence of these so called Gods or Goddesses. They haven't even offered any good arguments for why these supernatural entities should exist. Quoting: Godless 1254000(If you actually do have a decent argument or piece of evidence, feel free to post it here for all to read) Therefore, the logical position to accept would be that Gods and Goddesses do not exist. This is not a positive claim, this is actually the default claim. To make a positive claim you have to be positing something, in this case, religious followers would be positing that a God exists. In order to convince anyone they would have to provide evidence to show that a God exists. To claim a God does not exist requires no evidence at all, in fact it requires the exact opposite. It is the LACK OF EVIDENCE that supports my position that no God exists. The lack of evidence for Gods/Goddesses is why I believe there are none. In the same vein, the lack of evidence for leprechauns is the sole reason why I believe there are no actual living leprechauns. It is really as simple as that. There isn't anything confusing about this. God doesn't exist, unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to convince me and other skeptics otherwise. Thus far there has been no convincing evidence. I look forward to your responses, cheers! well heres some truth for ya..ive bee touched by the holy spirit...luv it...and now the devil for real the one ond only satan....yep you got it is at my home with his demons...now thats all the proof i need......beat that... |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1254000 United States04/02/2011 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand You're not following the rules of logic, i.e. your reasoning is invalid. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1062912Here's where you go wrong: 1) Claiming something doesn't exist is indeed a positive claim whether you'd like it to be or not. No, it is actually a negative claim in this case. When a person is accused of a crime and made to stand trial, they are always presumed innocent until proven guilty. It is up to the prosecution to prove the accused is guilty, not the other way around. The prosecution is making the claim of something, that the accused committed a crime. Therefore it is up to the prosecution to prove their claim. Religious followers make the claim of Gods or Goddesses existing, therefore if they wish to convince anyone, they have to provide evidence, just like the prosecution would. Otherwise it would be logical to assume that no Gods or Goddesses exist until sufficient evidence is provided that they do exist. 2) Lack of evidence that something exists is not sufficient evidence that something exists. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1062912I agree. If there is a lack of evidence, then that something probably doesn't exist. It would be illogical to assume that leprechauns exist when there isn't any evidence to show they do exist. Agnosticism is the only logically defensible position. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1062912No. If that were the case, then we'd all have to assume that purple unicorns, dragons, leprechauns, and Goddesses all might actually exist and that we can never be sure whether they're true or false. That is simply retarded. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1254000 United States04/02/2011 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand where did those trees come from? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800597i'll spend all day taking you to point zero but i'm already bored so i'll jump to it : what came first the tree or the seed? To make a long story short, trees evolved, like all other living organisms, from older lifeforms. The process took hundreds of millions of years and it all leads back to simple single-celled microorganisms that arose from some type of abiogenesis. Although much attention has been devoted to the study of evolution, a lot less is known about abiogenesis and it is still be studied. If scientists can create an original life form out of inorganic elements or chemicals in a laboratory setting, then abiogenesis will be proven possible. |
| SelflessnHumble User ID: 936193 United States04/02/2011 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand Religious followers claim that a God or Gods/Goddesses exist. Thus far they haven't offered any reliable, logical, or testable evidence for the existence of these so called Gods or Goddesses. They haven't even offered any good arguments for why these supernatural entities should exist. Quoting: Godless 1254000(If you actually do have a decent argument or piece of evidence, feel free to post it here for all to read) Therefore, the logical position to accept would be that Gods and Goddesses do not exist. This is not a positive claim, this is actually the default claim. To make a positive claim you have to be positing something, in this case, religious followers would be positing that a God exists. In order to convince anyone they would have to provide evidence to show that a God exists. To claim a God does not exist requires no evidence at all, in fact it requires the exact opposite. It is the LACK OF EVIDENCE that supports my position that no God exists. The lack of evidence for Gods/Goddesses is why I believe there are none. In the same vein, the lack of evidence for leprechauns is the sole reason why I believe there are no actual living leprechauns. It is really as simple as that. There isn't anything confusing about this. God doesn't exist, unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to convince me and other skeptics otherwise. Thus far there has been no convincing evidence. I look forward to your responses, cheers! Look, and I mean no offense...but to: -decisively -conclusively -definitively State either way something/someone either exists (or not) IS: asinine in nature. Logic (unfortunately) is not the end all be all. Neither is faith (alone) Sure, the beauty part of faith is that it precludes one to look at things with logic, reason and ration. This ^^^ does not mean it is a fallacy. What it does mean is that it is more than likely (improbable but not impossible) that God does exist. To claim that we as humans "KNOW EVERYTHING" in order to make a judgment as to claim whether God exists or not is foolish and narrow minded. Do I think Leprechauns exist? (Personally No.) This doesn't mean that they don't. I ask you this: Have Leprechauns (according to legend) or dogma purportedly create the awe inspiring Universe/galaxies, and everything therein? Nope. There is no weight nor does one truly "GAS" Similar analogies, different variables at play here. Do people believe in ghosts? yes. Why? Same reason inverted. =People are intrigued by paranormal phenomena. I for one, cannot conclude one way or the other based on the (limited evidence we do have) which presents itself to be the best record we have -in ascertaining God's nonexistence just because peer reviewed journals, scientists *feel* (according to their OPINION(s) that God does not exist. Can't do it. An open mind is paramount. Not a closed, bias mind. Last Edited by SelflessnHumble on 04/02/2011 02:15 PM "Don't Do unto others as they have done unto you...Instead show them love, patience understanding, and empathy regardless of how they have chosen to be, think and feel." |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1318973 United Kingdom04/02/2011 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand Religious followers claim that a God or Gods/Goddesses exist. Thus far they haven't offered any reliable, logical, or testable evidence for the existence of these so called Gods or Goddesses. They haven't even offered any good arguments for why these supernatural entities should exist. Quoting: Godless 1254000(If you actually do have a decent argument or piece of evidence, feel free to post it here for all to read) Therefore, the logical position to accept would be that Gods and Goddesses do not exist. This is not a positive claim, this is actually the default claim. To make a positive claim you have to be positing something, in this case, religious followers would be positing that a God exists. In order to convince anyone they would have to provide evidence to show that a God exists. To claim a God does not exist requires no evidence at all, in fact it requires the exact opposite. It is the LACK OF EVIDENCE that supports my position that no God exists. The lack of evidence for Gods/Goddesses is why I believe there are none. In the same vein, the lack of evidence for leprechauns is the sole reason why I believe there are no actual living leprechauns. It is really as simple as that. There isn't anything confusing about this. God doesn't exist, unless someone can provide reasonable evidence to convince me and other skeptics otherwise. Thus far there has been no convincing evidence. I look forward to your responses, cheers! You spend a lot of time thinking about nothing. I'd advised you to do something more constructive. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1313137 United States04/02/2011 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand God might not exist, but religion surely does. Quoting: DemogorgonIsLordWe will always have myths, legends, and fairy tales. And there will always be those who take their fairy tales a tad bit too seriously! Its the other way around. God exists but religion doesn't because its all false |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States04/02/2011 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: God Doesn't Exist...it is rather simple...really....this isn't confusing at all....very easy to understand No man can answer origin with proof. Life is about Faith. Atheists have faith, Believers have faith. The difference lies in what they put their faith in and with. God designed it that way so that man gets to make a choice and show what is in his heart. peace, |
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