Seventh Day Adventist question

anyone?

They claim the dead will sleep until judgement day and that the souls of the lost get destroyed or killed instead of ending up in hell

I'm not SDA, but the fact remains that English "Hell", "Grave", "Pit" are derived from the Hebrew "Sheol".

Are they brainwashed?

Am I going crazy?

Hell is clearly outlined in the bible, right?

Well, there are so many things clearly outlined in the bible.

Like, you should pray to Jesus, and only Jesus can forgive our sins. Yet, some people pray to Mary and ask their pastor for forgiveness.

Some people believe in the rapture, and its nowhere to be found in scripture.

Jesus warned us there will be false teachers in the end times.
You do the math.

Edit: Sorry i wasnt logged in on first answer

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To be honest its doing my head in.

Thats just it, what is the truth?

It says women can't teach or preach, so when a female has a god-given desire to preach or teach, because she is female, no way.

Then again it says we are niether male or female?

The Islam rejects Christ, so is it an Anti-Christ faith.

Can't imagine the outcry if we carried on like radical islamists.

Though all of us are flawed, imperfect.

It says all liars are going to Hell, in Revelation.


I could go on, no wonder people steer clear of churches.

Yes, thats right. It means like "Zone of the dead" or Hades. Not actually Hell.

Islam, does not reject Christ ,per se, It recognizes Christ as a prophet, but not the Son of God,and a lesser prophet than of Muhammed. Judaism however totally rejects Christ,as they do not believe that the Messaiah has ever arrived.Jews are also fatalists.

Is it a religion of peace if 14 year olds get whipped to death and people blowing themselves up to kill infidels? No. Its not.

Is it the teaching of Jesus to pray to mary and see the pope as god on earth? No. Its not.

The bible says, gods law is written into every humans heart.

So you can decide, what is the truth. My advise to you, if you seek the truth: Read the New Testament on your own just once. Then you can answer most questions from what you have read.
Most people here on GLP don't know shit about scripture. Sad but true.
I don't claim to know much, but alas, there is a true lack here.

Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/05/2011 05:21 AM

I have read the NT, is grace afforded to us forever if we truly believe in God? I see other christian around me living in a way I don't. Makes me feel all the more hopeless. One church teaches one thing, another another thing, cults that boss people around, control their lives, take their finances, have a scripture verse for their'doctrinal beliefs' etc. Some people I know have completely rejected God because of a denonminational behaviour.

I know what you mean. I feel the same sometimes. But why did they? Because they didn't care to read the bible and make their own mind. Jesus told us we should ponder everything.

If you read the NT and learned about Jesus character, would you think a denominational behaviour to boss people around would match his teaching? No, it would not.

I hear people blaming Jesus for the crusaders. What utter bullshit people tend to say for the lack of ignorance.
We shall not kill, thus the Crusaders did not kill in the name of god, despite the catholics blessing them and all the crosses they may have carried. All crusaders are in hell for sure.

I'm a Seventh Day Adventist and I will do my best to answer your question about hell.

The bible says that the wicked will be destroyed, burnt up just like stubble under our feet and then will be no more. Their is no hell where the devil is punished through out all eternity. It just means that when the wicked are raised from the dead at the end of the 1,000 years and try to capture the city that contains all the righteous that fire comes down out of heaven and destroys them.

If you believe in heaven and that heaven will be a glorious place do you really think you could be happy knowing that your loved ones that didn't make it were being tortured day and night in hell. When the bible says that the wicked are burned forever it just means that as long as they are alive. To prove that it also says the Jonah was in the belly of the whale forever and we know that not to be true don't we. It also says that if a slave who was entitled to go free didn't want to leave his master that his master was to take an awl and pierce his ear that that slave would serve his master forever. It only means as long as someone has life.

During the 1,000 years each person will be shown why someone they knew and loved didn't make it and how they refused each time to surrender their will to God's will. Each person who chooses satan over God would be forever unhappy if they couldn't continue the life they had chosen down here.

To focus on hell is missing the point. We all have a chance right now to choose the life that God has for each and every one of us. Start today to believe all things are possible.

I agree that the world hell may be misleading, considering its origin shoel. However, how does Matthew 13,49-50 fit into this?

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

People will be thrown into a furnace of fire.

Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/05/2011 05:34 AM

Where does it say that? It does not say that. I dont understand why you "christians" post this lies all over here?

And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land .

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You're mixed up in Catholic hell where you pay to get out?


What does the Bible teach in a consistant manner cover to cover?

Repeatedly found is the sleeping dead in their graves, physical resurrection at the second coming, and physical destruction of the wicked at the end of the world.

Jesus tells a parable to draw a picture of what awaits.

Matthew 13:24-30 The kingdom of heaven is likened to a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did not you sow good seed in your field? from where then has it tares? He said to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Will you then that we go and gather them up? But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

This parabel Jesus explains in specific detail, giving the parable, then explaining it.

36-43 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came to him, saying, Declare to us the parable of the tares of the field. He answered and said to them, He that sows the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Notice "burned in the fire," "bind them in bundles to burn them," "gathered and burned in fire," "cast into fire." When? "So shall it be in the end of this world," "the harvest is the end of the world."

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Well said, j!

Sorry, but IMHO that is an assumption. If anyone does not exist any longer, he/she/it cannot be tormented for ever and ever, right? Does not make sense. Dont mix body and soul.



You intentionally read this wrong. You know, its not the cities who gave themselves to sexual immorality. Never heard of sexual intercourse of two towns. It were the peoples living in the cities. And maybe they still are tormented in the eternal fire.

Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/05/2011 06:01 AM

hell is the grave, there is no hell fire.

Here read what the Lord your God has to say about your funny letters:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (bible), If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Indeed it is, as this Chick illustrated tract makes clear. We are in the end-times and the devil has been very busy in forming lying "churches," whose end will be fearful.

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This refers to the last things that get revealed to the people in the end times that have been coded so far. See Revelation.



Cant argue with the bible - quote random letter. Fail.
At least its no Mary BS.

To me this clearly states you prefer to read those letters than read the bible. To quote inception: You need to go deeper!

Last Edited by Face Palmer on 04/05/2011 06:52 AM

they are correct ... hell is not an eternal place you go when you die and are tortured forever

the wicked are destroyed on the LAST DAY ..... you sleep in the earth until judgment day




John 5:25-30

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Dan 12:2 - 1 Cor 15:17-18 - 1 Cor 15: 52 - IS 26:19



WRATH that day,the age of this age!
The wicked and proud burn

Obad 1:18
And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.



Mal 4:1
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

You are so full of shit dude, its amazing!!!

Hell is in the bible. But the primary issue with SDA is that they deny the divinity of Yeshua. They say he is an "eternal" being in that he is the Arc Angel Michael and NOT GOD in human form. So they do not worship Yeshua.

This is not Christianity and if you believe this you are NOT saved since you are not believing on the same Yeshua in the bible.

They also believe you cannot be assured of your salvation, but must WORK for it, and only know WHEN you get to heaven if you have been saved. Directly against what scripture teaches.

If you know someone in the SDA church ask them these primary points..... and tell them the truth.

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your best bet is to learn on your own ....

the SDA also believes the catholic church is the beast

they were the 7th beast ... the 8th beast is the House of Rothschilds ...


study the hebrew and greek on your own and history


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There is a reason why it's "doing your head in." Because the vast majority of christians don't obey or believe the bible at all.

How many divorced christians do you know? There are lots. "...whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her" (Mark 10:11 & Luke 16:18) But it's okay to divorce if hubby is violently abusive, right? No: "Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery" (Matthew 5:32)

I can't tell you how often christians tell me they're going to pray for me. But what does the bible say about that? "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room (or closet.) and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret..." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV)

Ever seen a man standing around outside in a baseball or cowboy hat praying? "Any man who prays or prophecies with his head covered dishonors his head…" (1 Corinthians 11:4 RSV)

Ever seen women praying without anything at all covering her head? “…but any woman who prays or prophecies with her head unveiled dishonors her head… For if a woman will not veil herself, then we should cut off her hair: but if it be disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil… Judge for yourself; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with head uncovered?” (1 Corinthians 11:5-13 RSV

Lots of long-haired christian guys. "Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?" (l Corinthians 11:14)

Christian women wearing jeans. This is clearly and definitively prohibited, as is wearing your husband's shirt: “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God”--Deuteronomy 22:5

Christians like suing for divorce in court (and some like settling issues such as car accidents and such in court, also), but this in direct disobedience to the bible if the other person confesses christian faith too: “If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?” -- 1 Corinthians 6:1 NIV

More on the proper dress for women. Many christian women wear "outward adornment" and don't think a thing of it: “...that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire”--l Timothy 2:9 RSV; and “Let not yours be the outward adorning of braiding of hair, decoration of gold, and wearing of fine clothing”-- 1 Peter 3 :3

Then let's talk about the FACT that Jesus makes it abundantly clear that you are to be keeping THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS, and that if you don't, and if you teach others not to, you are wrong and will be the LEAST in heaven (if you even make it):

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Imagine how much those reptiles are laughing at you guys. And weep.

I agree with most of your post, but the quote does not seem right imho.



So we should still stone people to death uh?
How comes, Jesus put some of the laws into perspective?

Example: Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

A convincing argument can be made against the killing as a result of things. However, no convincing argument can be made for not observing rules such as being unclean until evening when you are on your period or when you have had an ejaculation.

No convincing argument can be made against observing the rule to plant only one type of plant in a field. Against wearing a single type of cloth. Against not sitting on the same chair as a woman who was on her period. Against making your neighbors into slaves, but not your own people. Against beating your slaves--but not so badly they die within two days.

It's interesting that so many of them are eager beyond words to enforce (upon others, not just themselves) things like not lying with a man as a woman... but they dismiss things like wearing one type of cloth and dismiss things such as not allowing blemished people into church.

They are fast to condemn incest, but cannot be bothered to cover (or uncover) their heads for prayer.

They are fast to condemn witches and sorcerers among unbelievers, but do not cast out people who make prophecies if one of them doesn't come true.

Etc. and et. al.

The "death" punishment has been paid, is an acceptable, convincing enough argument. But there is no convincing argument for not having the follow the rules (even if you can't be killed for not doing so).