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Marilyn Manson fans?

 
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I weep for this world.
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Lighten up and have fun in THIS world, fool. You're dead soon, like all the rest of us in the name of PROFIT.

RAARGH!
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"I wish I could sleep
But I can't lay on my back
Because ther's a knife
For everyday that I've known you"

Man's a visual poet.

LOL
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Nah, fuck it, SMELLS LIKE CHILDREN is going on now!

:)

Then I'll stop. Just this one more fix of M.M. Then I'll stop.
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1984
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I'm going through all my old M.M. cds one last time, it's such camp fun.

:)

PIN this creature!
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Two types of people like Marilyn Manson.

1) Idiots

2) Evil pukes



I weep for this world.
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I feel sorry for YOU!
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Someone here called MM a nice Jewish boy from Boca. Does he have any proof of this? I always suspected that MM was Jewish in some way even though he went to Christian high school. Was his dad Jewish and his mom Christian? Warner is a Jewish name very often. His surname is Warner.
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No proof.
He did live in Boca Raton for a while though.

A friend of mine that was a dancer told me the good Jewish boy line.

She knew him back in the early days before he was famous.
They used to play a lot of local gigs in SF. I would not doubt it though. Lots of Jewish people in Boca, but the best schools in Boca are the private Christian schools so a lot of people send their kids there. A lot I mean a lot of Jewish people down here are not practicing Jews anyway.

I also read a while back that he is Jewish by birth but that could be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 or none who knows, but it doesnt matter anyway since supposedly he took clerical garb in the Church of Satan but who even knows if that is true. I surely cant see him going to synagog or mass.

The name Warner can go both ways.
Most likely German.

Although I like a few of his songs, his music does nothing positive for humanity as a whole except maybe it created a lot of turmoil at the time for what that was worth.
It was just a short blip on the radar screen just like Black Sabbath, madonna or a number of others.

I have heard he is or was a nice guy from a couple of people, but IMO he just sold out and produced very dark trendy music combined with a psycho dramatic androgynous shock rock stage act to get rich and famous mainly due to the of Reznor. I dont think he could have done it without him.

More power to him though.
He made millions and ended up with Rose McGowen as a girlfriend.

BooYa !

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Ive seen him on late night talk shows and the dude is actually funny. Doesn't seem to take himself seriously at all. Hell he was even cracking jokes about his platinum teeth.

He just puts on a show
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Fishy, I think he grew up in Ohio and moved to Florida after graduating high school. He started writing music reviews and then decided he could actually communicate better by putting on shows himself. He got his start playing the local scene in Florida.

I never heard anything about him starting out in SF. I read his autobiography and stuff about his life years ago.

I think he is very poetic and deep. You have to be broken in to it to get past all the shocking type stuff. I guess it just hits some people or it doesn't. I can see how it can be really annoying if you don't get it.

He writes a lot from his ownd dreams and nightmares. Then as far as that church of satan stuff, he accepted membership as a sort of joke. He says he is more Christian than most Christians. I think he is kind of messed up mentally, but I don't think he is really evil.
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I USED TO BE, UNTIL I FOUND OUT SHE'S A MAN
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Fishy, I think he grew up in Ohio and moved to Florida after graduating high school. He started writing music reviews and then decided he could actually communicate better by putting on shows himself. He got his start playing the local scene in Florida.

I never heard anything about him starting out in SF. I read his autobiography and stuff about his life years ago.

I think he is very poetic and deep. You have to be broken in to it to get past all the shocking type stuff. I guess it just hits some people or it doesn't. I can see how it can be really annoying if you don't get it.

He writes a lot from his ownd dreams and nightmares. Then as far as that church of satan stuff, he accepted membership as a sort of joke. He says he is more Christian than most Christians. I think he is kind of messed up mentally, but I don't think he is really evil.
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He was going to college at Broward community college
taking journalism and started writing for a local Boca rag. Cant remember the name of it off hand but its one of those glitzy upscale typical boca crap magazine for the rich.

Not SF as in San Fran, talking South Florida.

Supposedly while married to Dita he was in a 2 year long depression. Probably too many drugs and booze. I doubt he is more Christian than most Christians. He is sort of a joker so maybe said in jest, but Christians dont tear up the bible on stage or do all that other weird shit he does.

Supposedly his mother is Episcopal and his father Catholic, so I dont know where the Jew came from unless he converted at some time or maybe a grandparent.

I went to one of his very early shows before he was famous and to a couple of early NIN shows. Also saw David Bowie in Ft Lauderdale a little later at one of his small shows, 2000 people and it blew all other shows I had seen out of the water except maybe Frank Zappa or early motorhead, but then again I am a long time Bowie fan.

Manson's music is mostly just too dark for me. It was just too obvious seeing the change in that band that he knew if he progressed to over the top shock totally dark and anti religion shows he would hook and make millions.

Just before their real debut, speed and trash metal and some of the seen as Evil bands like Slayer etc were around and dark metal was popular.

I just think Marilyn did the same thing Ozzy and Alice Cooper did, and that was dial it up a notch and turn it into a horror show, but with a medical fetish twist.

If I was as smart as he was I would have about 20 million in the bank right now. To me I just saw it as a way to make a lot of money and get famous which is okay too. At least he made it happen and it took a lot of hard work.

Geez, now he is dating Stoya !!

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So he broke up with that young actress who he was engaged to? I forget her name. I think he should just shape up so that Dita takes him back. She seems sort of stable as far as his lifestyle is concerned.

I heard he was killing himself with a lot of drugs and drinking at one point also. That is why she divorced him. She is just a serious type burlesque person. I think MM does it out of mental derrangement or living art.

I don't think shock is all that he or Ozzy are about. I think they are much deeper than that. I think Ozzy is very musically inclined. I never got Zappa very much.

I find Zappa very annoying. Alice Cooper is okay.

I think Manson is exploring deep concepts and issues that revolve around evil and double standards. Ozzy and Black Sabbath were exploring working class feelings of alienation from society and demon possession.

I guess your friend maybe heard he had Jewish grandparents or something. Who knows? He does have a lot of Christian references in his music. I don't know why he rips the Bible up, I guess that part is for shock or theater. He doesn't do that a lot. He is sort of hard to understand. You do have to be in a certain mood to deal with all the darkness of it.
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So he broke up with that young actress who he was engaged to? I forget her name. I think he should just shape up so that Dita takes him back. She seems sort of stable as far as his lifestyle is concerned.

I heard he was killing himself with a lot of drugs and drinking at one point also. That is why she divorced him. She is just a serious type burlesque person. I think MM does it out of mental derrangement or living art.

I don't think shock is all that he or Ozzy are about. I think they are much deeper than that. I think Ozzy is very musically inclined. I never got Zappa very much.

I find Zappa very annoying. Alice Cooper is okay.

I think Manson is exploring deep concepts and issues that revolve around evil and double standards. Ozzy and Black Sabbath were exploring working class feelings of alienation from society and demon possession.

I guess your friend maybe heard he had Jewish grandparents or something. Who knows? He does have a lot of Christian references in his music. I don't know why he rips the Bible up, I guess that part is for shock or theater. He doesn't do that a lot. He is sort of hard to understand. You do have to be in a certain mood to deal with all the darkness of it.
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Evan Rachel Wood.

He is dating Stoya now who is a hot porno star, and I am sure that fits his lifestyle better.

I watched an interview where Dita was tired of his obscene and weird behavior in public and MM said she was trying to change him and would not let him be himself. She was also trying to help him with his issues and he was also having an affair with someone who condoned his drug use. I can see why most any woman would get burned out.

With Zappa you have to get past his most well known music and if you would have liked progressive jazz like Chick Corea etc you probably would have changed your mind.

Zappa was Considered one of the top jazz guitarist in the world. When I saw him in concert I expected the normal Frank Zappa music, but about half the show was music I had never heard before and was blown away, with a lot of progressive jazz and some guitar playing that blew me away.

I meant Alice Cooper changed his show to a more theatrical horror show type concert. Ozzy went to a horror type music and not as theatrical.

MM just basically moved Alice Coopers show up a few notches.

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I'm starting to really like Rio Clemente jazz. I don't know if Zappa is like that. I was never a big modern jazz person in the past.

I heard one of Zappa's albulms that a friend had who really liked him. It just sounded like weird, off kilter nonsense. I wanted to like it but I couldn't get it.

I used to like Fish Heads by Dweezil Zappa, but that is really just a silly song.

I wonder why he and Evan broke up again, not that I think they were such a great couple. I think Manson really is haiving trouble growing up. I think Dita seems very mature in her creepy way, but Manson just wants to live in a childhood fairytale half the time.

I think he is a traumatized person and his music deals with a lot of issues of being traumatized. Dita looks like she stepped out of a 1940's ad for housewives from Hitler's reich or something. She is very fake. She used to be blonde with straight hair but now is this character from the burlesque era.

I think MM goes after younger women because he is looking for something real and innocent. Now he is back with the other extreme.
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I'm starting to really like Rio Clemente jazz. I don't know if Zappa is like that. I was never a big modern jazz person in the past.

I heard one of Zappa's albulms that a friend had who really liked him. It just sounded like weird, off kilter nonsense. I wanted to like it but I couldn't get it.

I used to like Fish Heads by Dweezil Zappa, but that is really just a silly song.

I wonder why he and Evan broke up again, not that I think they were such a great couple. I think Manson really is haiving trouble growing up. I think Dita seems very mature in her creepy way, but Manson just wants to live in a childhood fairytale half the time.

I think he is a traumatized person and his music deals with a lot of issues of being traumatized. Dita looks like she stepped out of a 1940's ad for housewives from Hitler's reich or something. She is very fake. She used to be blonde with straight hair but now is this character from the burlesque era.

I think MM goes after younger women because he is looking for something real and innocent. Now he is back with the other extreme.
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If you are interested here is the 1st of a 3 part program on his jazz.

[link to www.youtube.com]

Nothing like Rio as his jazz was very unstructured more like early Chick Corea or John Mc Laughlin but even more unstructured.

I would have to guess that they broke up because Evan was 19 or when they started dating. IMO people dont really grow up until they are about 25 or more, so she probably changed. She seems very normal and MM is about as far from normal as you can get.

I saw an interview of MM where he talks about wanting to continue in a sort of fantasy type lifestyle and more power to him. He is a semi/self made multi millionaire so more power to him.

The guy is obviously brilliant but I think his composition talent took a dump when Twiggy left or maybe is was just the time factor.

Personally I wish he would tone down the violence in the movie he was working on about Lewis Carroll and find a company to back him up and finish it. From the previews it looked like a really bizarre movie.

I read somewhere that he was sexually molested as a child and that would not surprise me.

As far as young women, geez who does not like them but he is 42 now and never was much to look at.
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+1 Skinny Puppy fan

-1 M.M. fan

As far as I have always been concerned, M.M. blatantly ripped off Skinny Puppy's "schtick", but was never anywhere near the same level of quality and level of experimental creativity.

At best MM feels like a cheap substitute to me.

Kind of like the new Skinny Puppy albums, sad to say :(
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I think if you are a mature individual you are not interested in marrying a child. You want someone on your own level of awareness.

He is not a bad looking guy. He always had a nice body. I just don't see why some normal young girl like Evan would want him. She said he was very nice to her but really, anyone can be nice till they get what they want. I think he has even threatened her life for leaving him.

His autobiography said that he came in on his masturbaing grandfaother. I never found anything that said he was directly molested himself.

I think a lot of what he does is theater. I think he interprets dark things in the world through his characters. I don't believe he has actually lived through all of them.

I think deep down inside he is an artist who is living his art. It is a mix of music and theater and commentary. I think he needs to find a way to touch down and come back to earth and deal with it.

I think he said he felt abused by Christian school, in a mental or spiritual regard. Maybe that affects him still.
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Some men are not interested in someone at their level. They want a young trophy and to some it makes them feel like a teen again. Probably both for MM. He needs a porno star like the one he has now. Most of them will do pretty much anything you want.

As I am older now, I cant deal with women under about 30 YO, but when I was about 30-35 that was a different story.

When I look at MM it reminds me of Leigh Bowery to some degree.

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Everything's been said before
There's nothing left to say anymore
When it's all the same
You can ask for it by name

Babble, Babble, Bitch, Bitch
Rebel, Rebel, Party, Party
Sex, sex, sex, don't forget the violence
Blah, blah, blah
Got your lovey-dovey sad and lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along

Are you motherfuckers ready for the new shit?
Stand up and admit it, tomorrow's never coming
This is the new shit
Stand up and admit it
Do we need it? NO!
Do we want it? YEAH!
This is the new shit
Stand up and admit it

Now it's you-know-who
I've got the you-know-what
I stick it in the you-know-where
You know why, you don't care

Let us
We're entertaining you


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In love with that man and his music. Ever since he came out with Sweet Dreams. I have been obsessed with him for years.
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MM is okay, really great voice, but suffered from syndrome a lot of 90's rockers suffered through...

1 maybe 2 good tracks per album and the rest garbage...not just garbage, unlistenable filler
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i sort of agree, but 2 good song and crap for filler? i have been able to come to appreciate around half of each album. which to me is reasonable considering that is rare. you must have other artists in mind with a statement like that. reguardless, if he puts out a new album i'd buy it. which is more than i can say for all the other musicians.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Manson is just another fake corporate-scoialist/media creation. Another cultural subverter. His relation to the Church of Satan and Alester Crowley BS (Crowley was a homo pedophile that openly encouraged raping little boys as part of his "sex magik" crap) is revealing.

He (and many other artists) makes millions of suckers beleiving they are being "cool" and "counter-culture" and "different" and "against-the-system" and "rebels" and "for freedom" and "neo-fighting-the-matrix" and "against mom and dad" and "against the tyrany of morals and traditions" and all that crap...bue he is WILLINGLY and DELIBERATLY driving those suckers towards the hellhole "Brave New World"/1984.

BTW...if he was really a "rebel" he wouldnt have a career.
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Manson is just another fake corporate-scoialist/media creation. Another cultural subverter. His relation to the Church of Satan and Alester Crowley BS (Crowley was a homo pedophile that openly encouraged raping little boys as part of his "sex magik" crap) is revealing.

He (and many other artists) makes millions of suckers beleiving they are being "cool" and "counter-culture" and "different" and "against-the-system" and "rebels" and "for freedom" and "neo-fighting-the-matrix" and "against mom and dad" and "against the tyrany of morals and traditions" and all that crap...bue he is WILLINGLY and DELIBERATLY driving those suckers towards the hellhole "Brave New World"/1984.

BTW...if he was really a "rebel" he wouldnt have a career.
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yet if he didnt have a career no one would have heard of him, never would have left the garage. even hippies were smart enough in their drug induced haze to realize you haft to influence the system from the inside. grow up and if you are grown then perhaps you should take a hit or two, your lacking somewhere.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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yet if he didnt have a career no one would have heard of him, never would have left the garage. even hippies were smart enough in their drug induced haze to realize you haft to influence the system from the inside. grow up and if you are grown then perhaps you should take a hit or two, your lacking somewhere.
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lol

Hippies? [link to www.illuminati-news.com]


IMAGE ( [link to 4.bp.blogspot.com] )


Jim Morrison and his dad Admiral George Morrison. Son major figure in the antiwar/hippie movement and father the guy that was commanding the US fleet that started the Gulf of Tonkin incident. It took the entertainment industry and media 40 YEARS to reveal to the World that George and Jim were father and son go figure...

You have no idea what you are dealing with.
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PS - And Manson (like Ozzy Osbourne and many others) is into the Alester Crowley "Thelema" BS...the pedophile.
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Regarding Brian Warner's origins:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

As far as his ties to Church of Satan, if most people read what they believe, they would understand why it makes sense.

[link to www.churchofsatan.com]

I digress. Anyway, I've been a fan since Portrait, and learned the basslines to 4 albums when I was starting to teach myself how to play.

Brian Warner especially is a very intelligent man, who was a young boy with dreams of being a rock star. Sometimes those dreams come true.

I'm not sure if any of the vids included this, but this clip for me made me fall in love with him all over again:

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Everything's been said before
There's nothing left to say anymore
When it's all the same
You can ask for it by name

Babble, Babble, Bitch, Bitch
Rebel, Rebel, Party, Party
Sex, sex, sex, don't forget the violence
Blah, blah, blah
Got your lovey-dovey sad and lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along

Are you motherfuckers ready for the new shit?
Stand up and admit it, tomorrow's never coming
This is the new shit
Stand up and admit it
Do we need it? NO!
Do we want it? YEAH!
This is the new shit
Stand up and admit it

Now it's you-know-who
I've got the you-know-what
I stick it in the you-know-where
You know why, you don't care

Let us
We're entertaining you

 Quoting: Xen_
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Dave Chappelle telling us (in half-words) how things in show business work.

[VIDEO] [link to www.youtube.com]

And even Omarion:

"With God and the industry, it’s really dark. The dark side is having to get in, there’s a certain submission you need to have. Just like a gang [initiation], so to speak. You might have to do something against your moral code."

[link to hellobeautiful.com]

(I could go on and on)

Ask Manson how did his audition/initiation ceremony went and if the fact that he is related to the NWO-operation know as "Church of Satan" as anything to do with it...

And this idolatry of artists or celebrities is also very revealing, a population that is souless and lifeless is very inclined towards idolatry.
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I like the Bowling for Columbine interview also. I think MM is a very intelligent man. It was cool to see him paired up with that director because they are both very insightful--Michael Moore and him.

He says the fear pumped into us by the media is spun to breed comsumption. Who benefits from that but the corporations? He is sort of a political genius. He really makes you think. The wars are benefitting the capitalists. He is just the scapegoat because he does what he wants. He is not cowed by their stories. He has a mind and uses it.

Then again, it is hard for him to fit into the real world. I respect him for what he does and speaking out as he does. I don't see him as evil, though he has a corrupt side.

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