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*** ARNIE GUNDERSEN - FAIREWINDS - FUKUSHIMA - 4/6/2011 ***

 
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i like this guy
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He could be Donald Trump's VP
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Thank you Arnie! It's refreshing to hear the truth.
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Wow that is one happy happy story, isn't it? I think I'll have some plutonium sprinkles on my cheerios please.
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WTF, check out the rating. 33 full 5 stars. I haven't seen that since Nixon resigned.
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Rather than taking the stupid position that they are all painted with the same brush - and the technology for Nuclear Power Production is fundamentally flawed (which is what the current 'closing of the ranks' and 'restricting info flow' to the public indicates, so clearly) the more logical position for the various nuclear conglomerates & agencies to take would be the very honest allegation leveled at TEPCO and JAPAN's NRC and clearly state that the Japanese bought this nuclear technology and rather than follow procedures outlined by the manufacturer and builder of the plants, the Japanese pretty well ignored the long term safety concerns, failed to do reinforcements when recommended, and operated the plants far in excess of their recommended schedules. The Japanese have a well know national "failing" in that they believe that if they do not talk about that which is unpleasant, it will simply and magically "go away!"

This "sweep it under the rug" mentality was a posture Japanese have, unfortunately, gotten away with for many years. While no one can foresee a 9.x earthquake, it is just madness to position nuclear power plants on a known fault or plate junction - yet in spite of recommendations to the contrary, that is precisely what the Japanese insisted on doing. And ANY kind of earthquake planning should have logically included the planning for a serious Tsunami. Had that been done, the standby generators would have been raised far above ground level and after the tsunami subsided, the would have still been able to be functional and the power supply to the main pumps and other entities would have been in tact. For some reason, the Japanese neglected or we in denial about the possibility (no, probability) of a Tsunami. This was yet another example of their lack of understanding of the technology they were buying and an unwillingness to be guided by those who did understand it.

For the various NRC's around the world to cover for Japan and conceal the uniquely Japanese idiocy and madness in placement of the plants, their ongoing refusal to accept the recommended placement for subsequent plants, and the fact that the Japanese officials at Tepco perpetual ignoring recommended upgrades and reinforcements of the plants when they were discovered to be advisable and necessary by the various NRC's around the world.

Those NRC's, acting in concert with the Manufacturer of the equipment itself, spent BILLIONS each year looking at the operation of existing plants of similar design and each year learn more and more about how to keep the plants safe and secure, and how to modify and upgrade existing plants to incorporate the latest developments in safety, and stability. The Japanese seemed to prefer to IGNORE these recommendations and made their decision to do so based on economic criteria and profit motivation rather than any other more reasonable basis for such a decision!

While I can understand the Nuclear Power Industry being afraid that they may all be painted with that same Brush that has colored and now tainted the actions of TEPCO and Japanese Governmental Nuclear Regulatory Agencies - the truth is that they are NOT part of the mistakes and errors of judgement that have led us to the point where we are witnessing one of the biggest disasters of modern times. The fact is that dubious distinction rests solidly on the shoulders of the TEPCO BOARD who so frequently ignored or refused the recommendations of their own staff and those of various international NRC's and the Manufacturer, based on profit and greed alone! The Japanese NRAgency did NOTHING to override the actions of the TEPCO Board and dared not force the issue or bring it to the public to put pressure on TEPCO to bring their aging and dangerously located plants up to current technology and safety levels!

We know where the "blame" lays. The closing of ranks and protecting the IDIOTS at TEPCO and those of Japan's Nuclear Regulatory Agency is MADNESS! The truth must be told, no matter how ugly or how unpleasant. TEPCO is DONE as a power company and probably as a viable company at all. That is how it should be! They have clearly violated the public trust and confidence placed in them and should not ever be allowed to control such potentially deadly technology again!

IT IS TIME TO LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD! The market and public opinion will take care of TEPCO and their "lackey" regulators. The quicker the truth is know, the quicker the industry as a whole can distance itself from the insane and criminal machinations of TEPCO and the Japanese Governmental Nuclear Agencies and the sooner they can ask for help internationally and (with God's help) get this mess contained! But continued lies and the protecting of the guilty will actually slow down and hamper and thwart the process of containment and clean-up, which now is so difficult as to tax the limits of known technology!

Simply put, TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND THEN MOVE ON TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS to the very best of the world's ability to do so and IMMEDIATELY TAKE STEPS to protect (and evacuate if need be) all citizens who may have been touched by the poisons released when these four reactors melted down a week ago!
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Great link OP. Thanks!
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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summary please
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Every morning I wake up here in the NW and I look at this map.

[link to www.woweather.com]

Are Caesium-137 clouds and rain covering every garden and farm in the NW and the Salinas valley? If this map is even remotely accurate, it's a crime that we are not being given this information.
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Start collecting your own rainwater. Then find an EPA office in your state and call them. I'm going to email Arnie Gundersen. If he is giving this information from here in the US, he should also address the reports we have had here of iodine found in milk and rainwater.
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he is the "matthew simmons" of this disaster...

hope he doesn't drown in his hot tub
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exactly what I was thinking...
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TOP MAN !bump
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summary please
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1331941


[link to lucaswhitefieldhixson.com]
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[link to lucaswhitefieldhixson.com]

Responding to these concerns, ASR Limited, a marine consulting and research firm, has developed models to accurately predict the spread of the contaminated material.

“We’re basing our prediction on daily condition updates. This information is then fed in to our model to predict how fast and how far the radioactivity will spread.” Says ASR Scientist Laurent Lebreton who developed the model.
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looks like the aryans are winning (go figure) = LOSS = HELL...

how far is this going to go before they allow us to have sweet relief? its coming to a head...

clappa
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1213513


Wow that is one happy happy story, isn't it? I think I'll have some plutonium sprinkles on my cheerios please.
 Quoting: hcc2010 1253282


cruise

That's why I don't even give a fuck anymore, baby. Bring it on. I'm staying high and drunk till the day they put me on that morphine drip when the lymphoma done took over. Still doing to die high. Might even grow me some poppies and weed in my fucking front yard. Fuck it all, baby. Fuck it all.

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thanks whomever pinned this.

This man deserves recognition for what he is doing for us all. My concern is that he will meet with an "accident".
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You know what? I'm sick and tired of people fearing that these bullies are going to "snuff" someone if the truth be told. Fear = power. Be like the little guy on the playground who says "ENOUGH" - and isn't AFRAID to challenge the bully. Much much respect to Mr. Gundersen.
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Start collecting your own rainwater. Then find an EPA office in your state and call them. I'm going to email Arnie Gundersen. If he is giving this information from here in the US, he should also address the reports we have had here of iodine found in milk and rainwater.
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Thanks for doing this.
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CNN Breaking News: Earthquake 7.4 Miyahi, Japan. Tsunami alert for N Japan.
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What do the radiation doses from Japan’s reactor explosions mean for you and for the Japanese? Even Low Levels of Radiation May Cause Harm
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Heart of America NorthWest: What do the radiation doses from Japan’s reactor explosions mean for you and for the Japanese? Even Low Levels of Radiation May Cause Harm

Radiation levels are reported to have been 400 – 600 milliSieverts (mSv) per hour outside the reactor buildings when radiation levels spiked during an explosion Tuesday March 15th, and up to 10,000 per hour inside.

What does this mean to you on the US West Coast and to those in the vicinity?

In the US, radiation rules and cancer risk estimates are typically reported in “millirem”. We can do the math for you (just multiply mSv by 100 to get millirem). 400 mSv is 40,000 millirem, which would also be referred to as 40 Rem. That is about 10% of the dose that would kill fifty percent of exposed adults in an hour. These radiation readings are very high.

1,000 mSv in a day would lead to acute radiation sickness, but not death – with treatment. So, workers inside the Plant exposed to levels of 400 mSv for one hour are not likely to be acutely ill... but, they will be at very high risk of future cancer. If exposed for several hours, they are likely to be acutely ill within the month. If exposed to 10,000 mSv, for an hour, equivalent to 1,000 rem, the workers are likely to be acutely ill and likely to die.

At Hanford, radiation levels were recently detected under a building approximately 800 feet from the Columbia River which were thousands of Rem per hour – high enough to kill half of all adults exposed in six minutes. Fortunately, this release from Building 324 does not appear to have spread far in the soil, and the ground and building‟s concrete floor are shielding the radiation.

The direct radiation from the reactor fuel drops with distance, but the dose to the public depends on what radioactive particles and gasses are dispersed in the steam and gas release caused by extremely hot fuel rods, many of which appear to have ruptured. Radioactive Iodine is one of the gasses that is being released. It has a half life of 8 days, meaning half of it decays away in 8 days. Iodine is taken up in our thyroids. At the levels that are currently projected to reach the US from current conditions at the reactors and fuel pools, there is no need to attempt to block uptake with potassium iodide tablets. If there is a larger scale meltdown and steam explosion... this will need reassessment.

How are US radiation exposure standards set, and what do they mean in terms of risk when officials say levels are above or below US standards for radiation?

Beware of claims that the risk is acceptable because it is below standards unless it is the standard of an agency whose mission is to protect health, not promote nuclear power or make weapons.Different US agencies set wildly different standards for acceptable radiation doses. The difference is attributable to the agencies‟ missions. Thus, the federal Energy Department (USDOE) says that exposing the public to 100 millirem of radiation in a year is acceptable, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) says 25 millirem a year is allowable – and, up to 100 millirem for extended periods when controls fail. On the other hand, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) says either 4 millirem per year in our water, 10 millirem in air or 15 millirem total exposure is the most that is acceptable.
EPA sets Drinking Water standards based on a total adult cancer risk of one additional fatal cancer for every 10,000 people exposed. This is also the basic standard that is supposed to be applied in cleanup decisions. Washington State‟s Ecology Department has a more protective cleanup standard, as do some other states, of exposure causing no more than 1 additional cancer for every 100,000 people exposed to all carcinogens from a site (including radionuclides, but WA State has failed to apply this in recent years).

All of these standards are based on risks from exposure predicted for ADULT MALES. Yet, EPA and the National Academies of Science (2005) definitive report finds that children are several times more susceptible to cancer from the same radiation dose as adults, and so are women. EPA and the other agencies have failed to update their standards in many years, despite the mandate that they be based on best available science – which would be the NAS 2005 Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation report.

EPA‟s standards are based on preventing more than one cancer in every 10,000 adults from several years of exposure. So, one period of elevated exposure above standards due to fallout should not cause you to take extraordinary measures – you may want your child to avoid certain foods that test high.
On the other hand, Washington Dept. of Health standards are the same as those relied upon by the NRC – and allow exposures far higher than those allowed by US EPA. The Yakama Nation and Heart of America Northwest Research Center are suing Washington Health and Ecology Departments for planning to allow the commercial radioactive waste dump at Hanford to be covered in dirt despite projections of drinking water and other annual doses of 25 millirem due to leaching and over 100 millirem per year when the cap inevitably fails. This would be a fatal cancer risk of up to 5% for children.

In Japan, the reported elevated readings in food, such as spinach, may be a precursor to years of elevated exposures. Exposures for miles around the plants are likely to be elevated due to fall out from the radioactive releases. As such, it is important that stringent dose and risk standards are applied, and adjusted to be protective of children.

But, are the radiation levels which are reaching people in Tokyo or likely to reach people on the West Coast a danger?

There are numerous conflicting accounts. Nuclear industry and government officials routinely appear to downplay radiation risks, and say „not to worry.‟ They compare the radiation levels to those that they say the average American gets every year... but, beware of this comparison. It includes the increasing radiation dose that Americans get on average from medical imaging and such additional doses as flying, and doses from radon in homes. For example, natural radiation levels along the Columbia River at Hanford, where radon is low, are below 100 millirem per year, while the nuclear industry and many state or federal officials like to use a figure of 350 millirem average exposure for someone in the US. However, your child, like mine, likely gets far, far less exposure than 350 millirem (even if they get an occasional x-ray of an injured leg or arm at 10 to 15 millirem).

Remember, if exposed to an additional 4mrem per year in drinking water, we would project one additional fatal cancer in every 10,000 adults. Children are 3 to 10 times more susceptible to cancer from the same dose. When industry or officials say it will be ok to receive an increase of 10% of the average American‟s annual radiation exposure (about 350 mrem per year including medical xrays and MRIs averaged over the entire population), they are saying that it is acceptable to have about 20 additional fatal cancers in every ten thousand adult males, and several times more in children and women, e.g., more than 3 in every one thousand.
Below is the news release from the National Academies of Science on its authoritative report on the health effects of low levels of radiation: “

A preponderance of scientific evidence shows that even low doses of ionizing radiation... are likely to pose some risk of adverse health effects.”

What does this mean to you in plain language?

“These models predict that about one out of 100 people would likely develop solid cancer or leukemia from an exposure of 0.1 Sv (100 mSv)
First, and foremost, all radiation is not equal. Radiation in steam and gas releases from the reactors and cooling ponds in Japan are beginning to appear to be likely to pose long term health risks from fallout and contamination of crops and soil in Japan. Ultimately, the risk will depend on what is released and deposited. Immediate radiation levels including from radioactive Iodine and other gasses are a concern for at least fifty miles.

Small doses from air or ingestion in fallout from Japan are not likely to be a health risk in the US, while releases of Plutonium particles could be deadly even though at very low levels. (Again, taking Iodine will not protect against anything except radioactive iodine uptake).

Children are three to ten times more likely to get cancer than an adult exposed to the same dose.

Thus, repeated annual doses of 100 millirem of radiation from continued exposure, which Heart of America Northwest objects to for proposals by both Washington State (for the unlined commercial radioactive waste dump at Hanford, over which Heart of America Northwest and the Yakama Nation are suing state agencies for attempting to just cover the trenches with dirt rather than removing wastes) and USDOE (which proposes to just cover over forty miles of unlined trenches with dirt) to leave radioactive waste in unlined ditches or soil at Hanford where people will be exposed year after year, could result in up to as high as five percent of children exposed getting cancer over their lives. For the Native American tribes with treaty rights to live along and fish the Columbia River and to live on and use the resources of Central Hanford after cleanup is declared done, we believe this utterly unacceptable and unconscionable.

The Energy Department‟s own recent (Feb. 2011) draft risk assessment for the Hanford‟s fifty mile Columbia River Corridor projects cancer risks from annual exposure to residual radiation and chemical carcinogens for Native Americans fishing the River, but not living along it (e.g., not allowed to exercise their Treaty right to “live along”) at nearly 100%.

On the other hand, for a short term exposure of fallout from the Japanese reactors, even with doses that slightly exceed annual standards of 10 millirem in air, set by EPA, we would not expect to see any detectable increase in cancer, even in children... so long as it was a one time event.

No radiation dose is safe, as the National Academies Report shows. And, if a child or adult is the unfortunate person who breathes a single particle of Plutonium from the reactors, carried on the wind and dropped down, that particle will almost certainly cause a fatal cancer if it reaches the lung.

This is one reason why Heart of America Northwest filed suit on March 17, 2011 over Energy Northwest‟s (formerly WPPSS) failure to fully disclose public records about its secretive plan to have its commercial reactor at Hanford be the first in the US to use weapons grade Plutonium as fuel. The #3 reactor at Fukushima, which has had an explosion and apparent partial fuel melt, was using the experimental Plutonium fuel, which is at higher risk for releasing radionuclides and causing increased doses than traditional uranium fuel.

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Link:

[link to www.nuclearfreeplanet.org]
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i like this guy
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Me 2 !!!
 Quoting: DDan


I LOVE THIS GUY!!!!!

GLP ought to think about making a donation to this guys site..


You know, no one in the industry is going to let this guy anywhere near their work from here on out.

Also, at this point, you can imagine that he has probably had some legal issues possibly come up.

Anything that we can do to send our support, and keep his work going. He is the only logical, easily explained, truth, I have found anywhere, on this issue.
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given the age of 2/3rds of the reactors at that site
Gundersen must have wondered why they werent decommissioned
a decade or more ago in light of the fact that
Japan does have dozens of more modern nuclear fuel plants.

people keep old machinery and thats nostalgia
but old as the hills and totally knackered,
highly dangerous nuclear power plants in an
area absolutely known to be at risk from earthquakes
and smack dab on the edge of the ocean ???


something seriously wrong with that picture
thats for sure.
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Old plants make parts for bombs......that is why.
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Thx for the truth Arnie...we do appreciate it and yes ....we can handle it.

I would like to see him offer more possible solutions...but it appears there are none.

Everybody thought the end would be one big bangola...

Admiral Blandy I believe was quoted as saying in news reel footage from 60+ years ago that we should bury this technology, destroy it and forget it ever existed.Just delete it from existance after we won WW2

He was right.

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Agreed.
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Cayce: “… The greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. …. then we may know it has begun …”. www.near-death.com/experiences/cayce11.html
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Tepco has plans to buy into 2 reactors in Texas. A 10% stake in a new tech development position. Its my bet they are enriching Mox rods to provide the US plants with recycled rods as it is not allowed here. You think the oil business is slimy, nuclear energy is BIG buckos and those punk ass drug cartels are just a distraction from the real poison pushers.I smell Cheney somewhere.
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this thread should be "perma-pinned"
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[link to lucaswhitefieldhixson.com]

Japan has declared a state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear facility in Miyagi prefecture. This is an entirely separate facility than the Fukushima Dai Ichi nuclear Higher than normal readings (from SPEEDI monitoring) have been noticed in Miyagi prefecture since the original issues occurred on March 11, 2011. Three nuclear reactors are located at this facility.
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[link to www.zerohedge.com]

This link has images of heat map photos of reactors if anyone is interested. They were supposedly taken today.
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[link to www.zerohedge.com]

This link has images of heat map photos of reactors if anyone is interested. They were supposedly taken today.
 Quoting: allisa4757


No those are quite old, back before they had power to the thermometers.
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[link to lucaswhitefieldhixson.com]

Japan has declared a state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear facility in Miyagi prefecture. This is an entirely separate facility than the Fukushima Dai Ichi nuclear Higher than normal readings (from SPEEDI monitoring) have been noticed in Miyagi prefecture since the original issues occurred on March 11, 2011. Three nuclear reactors are located at this facility.
 Quoting: thebluestlight


and another thread here is reporting a 7.4 EQ in Japan....it is beyond tragic now.

News