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Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?

 
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Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?
As we all know TPTB, Elite, Illuminati, have subliminal messages everywhere you look showing they're in charge. As well all know they worship Lucifer and planning the NWO..

If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in Satan.

How does an atheist who is aware of Elitist control, fathom the over-riding purpose of their agenda. The suffering, the control and perversion.

Is it just PURE evil at work here? Or is there something more sinister at stake, a set objective. From a religious point of view, it makes sense.

But how does someone who doesn't believe in God, make sense of the conspiracies, and why it's being done?
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As we all know TPTB, Elite, Illuminati, have subliminal messages everywhere you look showing they're in charge. As well all know they worship Lucifer and planning the NWO..

If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in Satan.

How does an atheist who is aware of Elitist control, fathom the over-riding purpose of their agenda. The suffering, the control and perversion.

Is it just PURE evil at work here? Or is there something more sinister at stake, a set objective. From a religious point of view, it makes sense.

But how does someone who doesn't believe in God, make sense of the conspiracies, and why it's being done?
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Do you know the difference between an atheist and an agnostic ? Most people who actually think their atheist are infact agnostic.

"agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the similarities or differences between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief."
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As we all know TPTB, Elite, Illuminati, have subliminal messages everywhere you look showing they're in charge. As well all know they worship Lucifer and planning the NWO..

If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in Satan.

How does an atheist who is aware of Elitist control, fathom the over-riding purpose of their agenda. The suffering, the control and perversion.

Is it just PURE evil at work here? Or is there something more sinister at stake, a set objective. From a religious point of view, it makes sense.

But how does someone who doesn't believe in God, make sense of the conspiracies, and why it's being done?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275414


Do you know the difference between an atheist and an agnostic ? Most people who actually think their atheist are infact agnostic.

"agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable. Agnosticism can be defined in various ways, and is sometimes used to indicate doubt or a skeptical approach to questions. In some senses, agnosticism is a stance about the similarities or differences between belief and knowledge, rather than about any specific claim or belief."
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Yep.. atheists believe there is no God, agnostics are basically skeptics..
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People only talk about Atheist vs religious people ( really i never see someone talk about agnostics here,like most people dont even know what it means or that it exists ),like there are only two choises,you are either religious,or you dont believe at all,which is totall bullshit,you cannot lump everything in 2 categories,there are always more possibilities.

Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.

Agnostic theism
The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.

Apathetic or Pragmatic agnosticism
The view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.

Ignosticism
The view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition is not coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a sufficient definition of theism is put forth.


Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")
The view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."


Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."
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People only talk about Atheist vs religious people ( really i never see someone talk about agnostics here,like most people dont even know what it means or that it exists ),like there are only two choises,you are either religious,or you dont believe at all,which is totall bullshit,you cannot lump everything in 2 categories,there are always more possibilities.

Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.

Agnostic theism
The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.

Apathetic or Pragmatic agnosticism
The view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.

Ignosticism
The view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition is not coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a sufficient definition of theism is put forth.


Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")
The view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."


Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."
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Agreed, but it seems many agnostics take the title as atheist for whatever reason it may be.. Maybe more atheists should claim to be agnostic..
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Re: Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?
No one is atheistic at their death bed.
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Re: Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?
People only talk about Atheist vs religious people ( really i never see someone talk about agnostics here,like most people dont even know what it means or that it exists ),like there are only two choises,you are either religious,or you dont believe at all,which is totall bullshit,you cannot lump everything in 2 categories,there are always more possibilities.

Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.

Agnostic theism
The view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.

Apathetic or Pragmatic agnosticism
The view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.

Ignosticism
The view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition is not coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a sufficient definition of theism is put forth.


Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")
The view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities, and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."


Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
The view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable; therefore, one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day, when there is evidence, we can find something out."
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Agreed, but it seems many agnostics take the title as atheist for whatever reason it may be.. Maybe more atheists should claim to be agnostic..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275414


I agree,i think it is because many people dont know what it means to be an agnostic,hence why i said many people who think they are atheist are infact one of the above described agnostics,since some "atheists" do talk about the existence of "something" bigger then we could ever understand,but want first hand proof before they believe in such a thing.
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Re: Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?
Illuminati don't exist.
TPTB is just a conglomeration of loosely assciated buisnessmen and loophole exploiters, that does not resemble to centralized and tightly controlled board room a lot of pradnoidschitzophrenics here immagine.

There is no such thing as evil, morality is relative. There is no such thing as the Christian God or Satan, those are just human concepts.

Does something like a God exist? Probably not, I don't think so. But if it does exist it doesent care about you, your dog, humans, the solar system. Also it's compleatly diffrent then what you can immagine, to the point that thinking about it is an exercize in futility.

Most conspiracies don't make sense, because they are based on obsessively connecting dots that are unrelated and compulsive paranoia.
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Illuminati don't exist.
TPTB is just a conglomeration of loosely assciated buisnessmen and loophole exploiters, that does not resemble to centralized and tightly controlled board room a lot of pradnoidschitzophrenics here immagine.

There is no such thing as evil, morality is relative. There is no such thing as the Christian God or Satan, those are just human concepts.

Does something like a God exist? Probably not, I don't think so. But if it does exist it doesent care about you, your dog, humans, the solar system. Also it's compleatly diffrent then what you can immagine, to the point that thinking about it is an exercize in futility.

Most conspiracies don't make sense, because they are based on obsessively connecting dots that are unrelated and compulsive paranoia.
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You people claim to be truthers, yet when a REAL conspiracy is right in front of your eyes you deny it.. doesn't make sense.
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Illuminati don't exist.
TPTB is just a conglomeration of loosely assciated buisnessmen and loophole exploiters, that does not resemble to centralized and tightly controlled board room a lot of pradnoidschitzophrenics here immagine.

There is no such thing as evil, morality is relative. There is no such thing as the Christian God or Satan, those are just human concepts.

Does something like a God exist? Probably not, I don't think so. But if it does exist it doesent care about you, your dog, humans, the solar system. Also it's compleatly diffrent then what you can immagine, to the point that thinking about it is an exercize in futility.

Most conspiracies don't make sense, because they are based on obsessively connecting dots that are unrelated and compulsive paranoia.
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Go watch celebrity news or something, apart from being wrong why bother coming to a forum like this if that is what you think? Epic fail, go watch some TV and go back to sleep.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Re: Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?
Illuminati don't exist.
TPTB is just a conglomeration of loosely assciated buisnessmen and loophole exploiters, that does not resemble to centralized and tightly controlled board room a lot of pradnoidschitzophrenics here immagine.

There is no such thing as evil, morality is relative. There is no such thing as the Christian God or Satan, those are just human concepts.

Does something like a God exist? Probably not, I don't think so. But if it does exist it doesent care about you, your dog, humans, the solar system. Also it's compleatly diffrent then what you can immagine, to the point that thinking about it is an exercize in futility.

Most conspiracies don't make sense, because they are based on obsessively connecting dots that are unrelated and compulsive paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 975113


Go watch celebrity news or something, apart from being wrong why bother coming to a forum like this if that is what you think? Epic fail, go watch some TV and go back to sleep.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


laugh

I come to this forum because you guys are hilarious. I don't know why but I really enjoy laughing at manetallt unstable individuals.

You are correct about celebrity news, it's quite boring, simillarly most TV in genral is quite boring. I usually watch some cable news just because it's also funny to see CNN whoring for dramatic stories, and Msnbc whoring for libs and Fox whoring for cons etc... Although people like Gadaffi and Charlie Sheen are almost as entartaining as most people on this forum.
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Illuminati don't exist.
TPTB is just a conglomeration of loosely assciated buisnessmen and loophole exploiters, that does not resemble to centralized and tightly controlled board room a lot of pradnoidschitzophrenics here immagine.

There is no such thing as evil, morality is relative. There is no such thing as the Christian God or Satan, those are just human concepts.

Does something like a God exist? Probably not, I don't think so. But if it does exist it doesent care about you, your dog, humans, the solar system. Also it's compleatly diffrent then what you can immagine, to the point that thinking about it is an exercize in futility.

Most conspiracies don't make sense, because they are based on obsessively connecting dots that are unrelated and compulsive paranoia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 975113


Go watch celebrity news or something, apart from being wrong why bother coming to a forum like this if that is what you think? Epic fail, go watch some TV and go back to sleep.
 Quoting: Jerichofall


Thank you.. If that wasn't an EPIC fail I don't know what is, sheep in its prime state...I mean look the fuck around, its blatantly obvious there is a conspiracy here, top politicians talk about the Illuminati, as well as top artists, and they symbolism is overwhelming, you'd have to be blind to not see it..
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Re: Illuminati and Religion - What do Atheists believe?
not this Thread: Its IN our Heads, Now.
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Care to explain in a few sentences? I dont feel like reading all of that atm.
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