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A Challenge of a question - May take some time to solve

 
Mathmatica
08/25/2005 08:38 AM
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A Challenge of a question - May take some time to solve
It can be hard thinking of questions that one cannot find
the answer to so easily on the internet :)

So here I go at an attempt at a question that at worst
the net will be needed to formulate the correct answer which
can only mean we will all learn something.
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How much wind force (in knots) does it take to topple 1 Glass of water sitting on a brick wall inside an open room of a house with the only entry of wind being via an ajar door?

The Specifics of the question
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The Glass is 12cm High.

Top Diameter of Glass is 8.3cm.

Bottom Diameter of Glass is 5.5cm.

The Glass is 2.2mm Thick (on average).

The Base of the Glass is 7mm thick.

The glass is exactly three quarters full of pure H20.

The Glass is on a brick wall and the height of the wall is 1.5m

The wall is 6.2m back from an open sliding glass door

The sliding glass door is 3m High

The sliding glass door is ajar/open 85cm

It is an open room of 50sqm (not a hallway or tunnel)

Good luck.

P.S.
If someone solves this in a flash they should get the GLP genius of the year award :)
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Opps, the ajar door is 50cm to the left line of the glass.

The velocity of the wind should be able to be tweaked so we can pivet the glass without falling :)
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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::yawn::
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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F8
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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It will need a cat 5 ton blow the building down first
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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isnīt knots the speed a boat travels at??
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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gives
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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47 knots.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Re: A Challenge of a question - May take some time to solve
Eleventeen
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Re: A Challenge of a question - May take some time to solve
138

Do u care to explain how you derived this number :)

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Rex
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Re: A Challenge of a question - May take some time to solve
About 730 knts.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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The wind force from an F2 tornado should do the trick.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Itīs a trick question. A glass does not topple. It tips.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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No tricks :)

Where are ur maths nd physics geniusīs
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Canīt you do your homework yourself?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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A Challenge

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Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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9810, no, bad enough I had to tell you, now you want me to tell you have to figure it. Hold your breath.
DRSHI
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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No amount of wind can topple the glass if there is only one opening in the room. Upon entry, wind spreads out into conflicting swirls and edys. As soon as the room is saturated with air, and the higher the velocity of the wind trying to enter the room, the less any air can either escape or enter.
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12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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Its only slightly off direct line of site of the open sliding door and is on a brick wall with no obstruction in front of the glass of water, so yes there is an absolute point at which the glass will topple.

All the knowledge of Orbital mechanics, speed of light, gravity, space, electricity and the likes and no one can solve this.

I can assure you this is not my homework, I just thought it would be interesting to see if these claim to be uni grad/professor/physics
types that claim at GLP really are.

You canīt find the answer on the internet.

Practical questions like this would be good in student learnning environments as people could be broken into groups to solve seperate parts of the equation to join at the end for the final answer.

Any how, I am sure one day, some one will come along here, and work the full lenght answer showing their logic in the conclusion.

GL HC
Sol Invictus
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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I actually think that given enough time, I could probably solve it, or at least make a halfway decent effort at it. I got a 97% on my highschool physics final, though that was a couple of years ago :P

Iīd need to find out things like the static friction constant between glass/concrete, the effect of the weight of glass + the water on this constant, and the center of gravity of the glass. Thatīs easy enough, I guess, if I could google the info.

That said, I think the question is flawed like DRSHI says. If thereīs only one entrance tó the room, the room would become saturated with air. The kind of initial violent burst needed to filter through the 85cm open glass door to topple the glass in such a large room (and positioned so far away from the door) would probably be strong enough to shatter the entire glass door, thereby changing hte entire equation.

Iīm sure the minimum wind force could probably be calculated even with this taken into consideration, but I think theyīd have to assume certain things that you havenīt included, like the width of the entire glass door not just the 85cm, the height to the ceiling, etc.

I used to like things like this in physics, but this one is too complicated for me. Iīd like to see Idol Harolbed give it a try though :P She seems to know everything about such things...

Did you try solving this yourself?
WeTFoot
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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maybe just buying the material and calculate the effect would be simpler.

Why does one need to find an answer to this?

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Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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146

Nice, now your thinking :)

And you are right, there are a couple more questioned need be asked to resolve the entire equation.

So far you are the only one that has the aptitude to think it through somewhat.

Its not an inteligence (if there is such a thing) test either.

The only I will give is it will not take the door shattering from etreme forces in order for the glass to topple.

GL
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12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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LOL @ 1467
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12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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I am assuming that your definition of topple
is to remove the glass from the brick wall!

A 2 or 3 knot wind should be sufficent if the
temperature is below 32 degrees F (you didnīt specify temp) and the room is unheated.
Given enough time the water freezes and expands
and shatters the glass - thus "toppling the glass" from the wall!
RIKTUS
12/08/2005 10:09 AM
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A nice solid fart should do the trick.s226

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