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True Christians do NOT support the modern state of Israel

 
WaitOne (OP)
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God wants us to support Israel. If we don't we are in for a horrible surprise!
 Quoting: scout my baby


Maybe if I type it reeeeaaaalllll sloooow for you....


"If ye be in Christ, then are ye Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise."

Get it?

Israel changed from physical to spiritual at the cross.

Read above quote again.

You must be a Jew inwardly.

Outward Jews are no longer the chosen of God.

"......now we are the sons of God."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1322609


Thank you...

But, take a minute and let that really sink in. WE (who believe in Christ) are the sons of God. Ie. not the old 12 (13) tribes. WE (Christians) are the chosen people.

Incredible how all this is coming right back to the words of Christ. More relevant today, than ever.
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Huge IF. I would disagrea strongly that the modern state of Israel is the answer to any Biblical Prophecy. If however, you are referring to God's will, was it God's will that Lenin slaughter millions of Christians?

Sick of reading... 'we are to bless Israel and the Jews' as if it is a Biblical, spiritual or even historical fact.

You are confusing the modern state of Israel with the Old Testament nation of Israel. NOT the same people or belief system. Today's Israel are the descendants, spiritually, of the people Jesus called the seed of the serpent.
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I don't think there ever WAS an old Testament "nation of Israel". The geographical area had names like "Judea". Didn't "Israel" refer to THE PEOPLE? Specifically, 'the body of believers'?
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True Jews certainly DO NOT either:


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lol your not dragging these guys out again are you? I'm very familiar with the Neturei Karta,the branch you refer to has about 50 members WORLDWIDE and has been funded in the past by the PLO & mullahs in Iran

Here are some records of their funding

[link to www.terrorism-info.org.il]
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And speaking of Iran and even Iraq....did you know that when Nebuchadnezzar took the Israelites to Babylon, upon their release, one group of "Jews" remained. I believe they are called the House of Imam. And they were/are never hassled by Iraqi Muslims. In fact, they are/were protected by Saddam.

Devout Muslims have always gotten along just fine with True Jews. They got along fine living together in Palestine just before the Zionist horde invaded. Muslims know full well the difference between a false-Jew Zionist and a True Jew with whom they share common beliefs.

It seems to be only the False-Jews that hate Christians and Muslims.

I find it amazing that some people just can't see the clever hijacking of Judaism by Khazarian usurpers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317023


Excellent point.

Shlomo Sands book "The Invention of the Jewish People" details this very thing. How Jews peacefully coexisted with their Arab neighbors in Palestine for centuries.

NOTE: these are the only 'Jews' they can actually trace back to the descendants of Abraham - IE the Palestinian Jews. (Palestinians). Many people do not realize that the Palestinians are not all Arabs. Some are Christians and Jews.
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Huge IF. I would disagrea strongly that the modern state of Israel is the answer to any Biblical Prophecy. If however, you are referring to God's will, was it God's will that Lenin slaughter millions of Christians?

Sick of reading... 'we are to bless Israel and the Jews' as if it is a Biblical, spiritual or even historical fact.

You are confusing the modern state of Israel with the Old Testament nation of Israel. NOT the same people or belief system. Today's Israel are the descendants, spiritually, of the people Jesus called the seed of the serpent.
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


I don't think there ever WAS an old Testament "nation of Israel". The geographical area had names like "Judea". Didn't "Israel" refer to THE PEOPLE? Specifically, 'the body of believers'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317023


OT refers to 'kingdoms'. The northern and southern were based on how Moses divided the tribes and allotted them the land.

Many people do not fully read God's covenant with Abraham. If his descendants did not follow His ways, God said he would destroy them and drive them from the land.

The final destruction was in 70 AD when God said He divorced Judah and compared Jerusalem to Sodom and Egypt.
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Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.

From Strongs

To translate this as "Judean" would not give it its full sense
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Huge IF. I would disagrea strongly that the modern state of Israel is the answer to any Biblical Prophecy. If however, you are referring to God's will, was it God's will that Lenin slaughter millions of Christians?

Sick of reading... 'we are to bless Israel and the Jews' as if it is a Biblical, spiritual or even historical fact.

You are confusing the modern state of Israel with the Old Testament nation of Israel. NOT the same people or belief system. Today's Israel are the descendants, spiritually, of the people Jesus called the seed of the serpent.
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


I don't think there ever WAS an old Testament "nation of Israel". The geographical area had names like "Judea". Didn't "Israel" refer to THE PEOPLE? Specifically, 'the body of believers'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317023



The land of Israel and surrounding in 1000 BC
[link to listsoplenty.com]
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OP :-

G2453

Ioudaios
ee-oo-dah'-yos
From G2448 (in the sense of G2455 as a country); udaean, that is, belonging to Jehudah: - Jew (-ess), of Juda.

From Strongs

To translate this as "Judean" would not give it its full sense
 Quoting: Taruwah


Thank you... appreciate someone actually digging.

I agree. Big rabbit hole though.

What are your thoughts?

G2453 appears to me to be more a reference to a certain people as designated by location than race.
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[link to vimeo.com]

A great watch on how many Christians have been deluded by the Scofield reference Bible. In fact...most Christians. Israel should bow down to their G-D and get the frick out of Palestinian territory.
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Scripture is scripture, they are Gods people and he will protect them. You can blame a bible for someones beliefs but lack of belief like yours is not the bibles fault but yours , Gods word is not meant for everybody even though they read the bible and for others God will send strong delusion (you) that they will never comprehend His word.
A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. †.
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And speaking of Iran and even Iraq....did you know that when Nebuchadnezzar took the Israelites to Babylon, upon their release, one group of "Jews" remained. I believe they are called the House of Imam. And they were/are never hassled by Iraqi Muslims. In fact, they are/were protected by Saddam.

Devout Muslims have always gotten along just fine with True Jews. They got along fine living together in Palestine just before the Zionist horde invaded. Muslims know full well the difference between a false-Jew Zionist and a True Jew with whom they share common beliefs.

It seems to be only the False-Jews that hate Christians and Muslims.

I find it amazing that some people just can't see the clever hijacking of Judaism by Khazarian usurpers.
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


Excellent point.

Shlomo Sands book "The Invention of the Jewish People" details this very thing. How Jews peacefully coexisted with their Arab neighbors in Palestine for centuries.

NOTE: these are the only 'Jews' they can actually trace back to the descendants of Abraham - IE the Palestinian Jews. (Palestinians). Many people do not realize that the Palestinians are not all Arabs. Some are Christians and Jews.


Amen...and those Palestinian Christians and Jews are both persecuted by the Zionist False-Jews they are forced to live with. If certain Christian Zionists here would only realize that their Christian brothers and sisters in Israel are being starved, tortured, and killed by those they so zealously support, it still would not make a difference to them. For some reason, they are unable to recognize Truth. As a result, these Christian Zionist/Israel Supporters apparently approve of what is done to their Christian brothers and sisters at the hands of these hijackers.
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Again... note that the references are to Israel and not Judah.

In your own words... simple.

If you knew your history, you would know that Jesus and Paul were referring to 13 tribes.


 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Christ own words...Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

You can try to twist and reason yourself to death OP,the fact is the Jews were prophesied to return to the land of Israel,1st in unbelief then in salvation... Ezekiel 37
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I appreciate your response.

First - check your Greek. The verse you quoted does not say Jew in Greek. The word Jew was put in modern Bibles about 200 years ago. The Greek word is Judean. Huge difference but largely irrelevant.

 Quoting: mathetes

Your spiting hairs to justify your dogma


The Greek word used is Ioudaios compare it to the superscription on the cross

INRI

IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which translates to English as "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews

Christ was from Galilee not Judea


When Flavius Josephus wrote War of the Jews,which describes in detail the Roman conquest of Israel,was he only talking about Judea? Or all of Eretz Yisrael = Land of Israel (ie the Jews)Galilee,Judea,Samaria etc His audience knew exactly what he was talking about.

When the Emperor Claudius banned all Jews from Rome in 49 AD was he only talking about Judeans? Funny because even Jewish Christian were kicked out of Rome per Acts


1st century context OP,its important

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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Let me stir the pot a little...

If my argument is correct, then Christians should not be supporting Muslims, Catholics or Jews, for we are the chosen of God, His children, spiritual offspring, to whom the promises apply.
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Christ own words...Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

You can try to twist and reason yourself to death OP,the fact is the Jews were prophesied to return to the land of Israel,1st in unbelief then in salvation... Ezekiel 37
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1332393


I appreciate your response.

First - check your Greek. The verse you quoted does not say Jew in Greek. The word Jew was put in modern Bibles about 200 years ago. The Greek word is Judean. Huge difference but largely irrelevant.

 Quoting: mathetes

Your spiting hairs to justify your dogma


The Greek word used is Ioudaios compare it to the superscription on the cross

INRI

IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which translates to English as "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews

Christ was from Galilee not Judea


When Flavius Josephus wrote War of the Jews,which describes in detail the Roman conquest of Israel,was he only talking about Judea? Or all of Eretz Yisrael = Land of Israel (ie the Jews)Galilee,Judea,Samaria etc His audience knew exactly what he was talking about.

When the Emperor Claudius banned all Jews from Rome in 49 AD was he only talking about Judeans? Funny because even Jewish Christian were kicked out of Rome per Acts


1st century context OP,its important
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


Good point... appreciate the clarification and additional history.

You have a sharp intellect and have done your homework.

Do you believe the modern state of Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy? If so, can you substantiate?
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And are you familiar with the Scofield history?
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Christ own words...Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

You can try to twist and reason yourself to death OP,the fact is the Jews were prophesied to return to the land of Israel,1st in unbelief then in salvation... Ezekiel 37
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1332393


I appreciate your response.

First - check your Greek. The verse you quoted does not say Jew in Greek. The word Jew was put in modern Bibles about 200 years ago. The Greek word is Judean. Huge difference but largely irrelevant.

 Quoting: mathetes

Your spiting hairs to justify your dogma


The Greek word used is Ioudaios compare it to the superscription on the cross

INRI

IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which translates to English as "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews

Christ was from Galilee not Judea


When Flavius Josephus wrote War of the Jews,which describes in detail the Roman conquest of Israel,was he only talking about Judea? Or all of Eretz Yisrael = Land of Israel (ie the Jews)Galilee,Judea,Samaria etc His audience knew exactly what he was talking about.

When the Emperor Claudius banned all Jews from Rome in 49 AD was he only talking about Judeans? Funny because even Jewish Christian were kicked out of Rome per Acts


1st century context OP,its important
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


Technical note:

I firmly believe Jesus was King of the Jews, as the Romans wrote, and all other men.

Christ was specifically from Nazareth, but was born in Bethlehem which would not have made him a Galilean.
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My family are Jews from Baghdad (Iraq) they lived in Dhimitude under muslims for a few centuries, It was not pleasant.

Suggest you read "from time immemorial" by Joan Peters, it lists the various pograms in 'peaseful' Iraq and Iran as well as Egypt and the Mahgreb.

You can carry on with your replacement theology all you like, but ask yourself this, when Jesus comes again, will he have stopped being a Jew? (He is the same yesterday, today and forever I am given to understand....)

Ask yourself why Jesus preached Torah and Prophets on the "Road to Emmaus" if they had been superceeded by the "cross" (which is a babylonian pagan torture ikon)
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of YHWH and His knowledge of Good and Bad (righteousness) , for He says "My ways are not thy ways"
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Let me stir the pot a little...

If my argument is correct, then Christians should not be supporting Muslims, Catholics or Jews, for we are the chosen of God, His children, spiritual offspring, to whom the promises apply.
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


you should love the sinners but not their sins.

you should pray that those in those religious organizations have their eyes opened and that they see.

you should pray that those in babylon hear the warning and come out of her before judgement is cast upon her

you should pray that those in israel regain their sight and understand and believe Jesus came in the flesh.

you should quit making up ideas that sound mormon in nature. america isnt zion. when the Lord comes, it will be right where he assended from. Israel

Jesus is the Holy King that was prophesied, and he will rule from Gods Holy Mountain, in Israel.

the land of Israel is the apple of Gods eye.

the land in question is what everyone has fought to posses. not america.

and the only time this piece of earth has any value what so ever is when there are jews involved.

before 1948, there was practically no one, but after the jews showed up a multitude of displaced arabs showed up. its because a muslim government with unwanted people sent them there. to stir the pot. the arabs that were trully there from the beginning have citizenship. the multitude outside of Israel are just there to burden the hearts of soft people like you.

your falling for the lie
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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And are you familiar with the Scofield history?
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You mean the time he spent in jail for ripping off his mother in law?

Yeah.
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You are wrong my friend, very wrong, and the future of what will happen, will show you.
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how does this become my thread??? I don't think so
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I appreciate your response.

First - check your Greek. The verse you quoted does not say Jew in Greek. The word Jew was put in modern Bibles about 200 years ago. The Greek word is Judean. Huge difference but largely irrelevant.

 Quoting: mathetes

Your spiting hairs to justify your dogma


The Greek word used is Ioudaios compare it to the superscription on the cross

INRI

IESVS·NAZARENVS·REX·IVDÆORVM (Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum), which translates to English as "Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews

Christ was from Galilee not Judea


When Flavius Josephus wrote War of the Jews,which describes in detail the Roman conquest of Israel,was he only talking about Judea? Or all of Eretz Yisrael = Land of Israel (ie the Jews)Galilee,Judea,Samaria etc His audience knew exactly what he was talking about.

When the Emperor Claudius banned all Jews from Rome in 49 AD was he only talking about Judeans? Funny because even Jewish Christian were kicked out of Rome per Acts


1st century context OP,its important
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


Technical note:

I firmly believe Jesus was King of the Jews, as the Romans wrote, and all other men.

Christ was specifically from Nazareth, but was born in Bethlehem which would not have made him a Galilean.
 Quoting: mathetes

True,but others considered him a Galilean...anyway great debate OP


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For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I don't support Antichrists !


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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You do realize that this verse can be applied to both Muslims & Jews...so do you support the Muslims in Palestine?
 Quoting: mathetes


Ugh oh....TRUTH! They don't like that.
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I've decided that you are truly retarded.

"You troll, I ban"


don't ban me bro cruise
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THE VERY FACT THAT THE DESCEDENTS OF THE ANCIENT PEOPLE OF ISRAEL HAVE BEEN GATHERED FROM ALL THE LANDS TO WHICH THEY WERE TAKEN ENSLAVED IN CHAINS AND HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BACK TO PART OF THEIR ANCIENT HOMELAND IS FULLFILLMENT OF GOD'S OWN SWORN PROPHECY OF WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO.


ANYONE WHO ARGUES AGAINST THE FACT OF THIS RETURN
IS ARGUING AGANIST THE VERY PLANS OF GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF
WHO IN HIS WISDOM USED THE CRAFTINESS OF WICKED MEN AND DECIETFUL NATIONS THAT ARE NOW TRYING TO DESTROY ISRAEL (USA. UK.EUROPE INCLUDED AND JUDGEMENT IS NOW IN OPERATION UPON THOSE NATIONS AND NOT JUST THEM )
HE USED THESE KINGDOMS WICKED OF THIS WORLD- TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE OF RETURNING HIS ANCIENT PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HIS BELOVED TO THE LAND HE NOT ONLY PROMISED BUT GAVE TO THEM FOREVER.

WAR IS OF THIS WORLD (SEE USA. UK .EUROPE AND ALL WORLDY GOVERNMENTS INCLUDING ISLAMICS CATHOLIC ETC EVEN ISREALS WORLDLY GOVERNMENT)
AS I SAY WAR IS OF THIS WORLD.
NOT OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN


FLESHLY ISLRAEL ARE A PEOPLE , GOD MADE AN A COVENENENT PROMISE WITH GOD DOES NOT BREAK COVENENTS
THAT COVENENT WOULD BE FULFFILLED THROUGH AND IN JESUS CHRIST STARTING WITH THE JEWS AND ENCOMPASSING THE GENTILES
AND THE JEWS WHO DID NOT BELIEVE WERE TAKEN AND JUDGED AND SENT OUT OF THEIR LAND FOR NOT BELIEVING AND YET GOD PROMISED HE WOULD GATHER THEM FORM ALL TH NATIONS THEY WERE TAKEN CAPTIVE INTO AND BERING THEM BACK TO THE LAND OF THEIR FATHERS-
THIS IS THE ISRAEL YOU SEE TODAY

ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED
WHEN THEY TURN TO THEIR MESSIAH JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD .
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do not be ignorant of the mystery concerning ISRAEL
FOR GODS OWN MERCY TO THE NATIONS IS INVOLVED

Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
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Even so have these ... - That is, the Jews.

That through your mercy ... - The immediate effect of the unbelief of the Jews was to confer salvation on the Gentiles, or to open the way for the preaching of the gospel to them.
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Adnd dont be decieved
DOWN WITH THE PAPAL ANTICHRIST WHO PREACH "ANOTHER" JESUS
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GOD USES THE WICKED AS A TOOL OF JUDGEMENT
GOD USES EVIL AS A TOOL OF JUDGEMENT
GOD USES WAR AS A TOOL OF JUDGEMENT

DURING THE PERIOD BEFORE ISRAEL WAS GATHERED FROM THE NATIONS THE CHIEF TOOL GOD USED AGANIST THEM WAS

1 THE ROMAN EMPIRE
2 THE CATHOLIC EMPIRE AND ITS PROSTITUTED KINGS
HITLER WAS ONE OF THEM
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HOW CAN THOSE WHO DO GOOD AND OBEY GOD DO EVIL ?

OR HOW CAN THE CHURCH DO EVIL?

OR HOW COULD ISRAEL BE JUDGED BY GOD THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH?

BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HEADED BY THE PAPACY IS A FALSE CHURCH

HOW CAN THOSE WHOM OBEY GOD DO EVIL?
AND BE USED AS A TOOL OF JUDGEMENT WITH WAR?

THE COMMAND OF THE OBEDIENT OF GOD IN CHRIST
IS TO LOVE YOUR ENEMY AND JUDGE THEM NOT
ONLY TO PRAY FOR THEM - CLEARLY THOSE WHO ARE GODS CANNOT ACT AS A TOOL OF JUDGMENT IN THIS WORLD
IN THE NEXT YES BUT NOT THIS,.

YET THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HEADED BY PAPACY MURDERED THE JEWS AND SPONSERED HITLER AND TODAY THE MUSLIMS TO THE THE SAME NOW
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YET THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HEADED BY PAPACY MURDERED THE JEWS AND SPONSERED HITLER AND TODAY THE MUSLIMS TO THE THE SAME NOW

AND NOT ONLY THE MUSLIMS
BUT TODAY AMERICA
THE UK
EUROPE AND EVERY NATION ON EARTH
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hello...... rant much? lol
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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YET THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HEADED BY PAPACY MURDERED THE JEWS AND SPONSERED HITLER AND TODAY THE MUSLIMS TO THE THE SAME NOW

AND NOT ONLY THE MUSLIMS
BUT TODAY AMERICA
THE UK
EUROPE AND EVERY NATION ON EARTH
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FOR AN EXPLANATION OF THIS DECEPTION
SO YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THROUGH IT
GO HERE
And first Understand the importance to the Lord God Of IsREAL CONCERNING THE TEACHING ON HIS SON JESUS CHRIST COMING IN THE FLESH

2 John 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
[link to bible.cc]

AND IF THEY DENY JESUS CHRIST CAME IN THE FLESH
THEY ARE DENYING THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST
AND SO TEACHING "ANOTHER" CHRIST

AND WOHEVER DOES THAT DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD-

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
[link to kingjbible.com]

BREAKING NEWS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DENIES THAT JESUS CAME IN THE FLESH

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04/07/2011 09:40 PM
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Re: True Christians do NOT support the modern state of Israel
Huge IF. I would disagrea strongly that the modern state of Israel is the answer to any Biblical Prophecy. If however, you are referring to God's will, was it God's will that Lenin slaughter millions of Christians?

Sick of reading... 'we are to bless Israel and the Jews' as if it is a Biblical, spiritual or even historical fact.

You are confusing the modern state of Israel with the Old Testament nation of Israel. NOT the same people or belief system. Today's Israel are the descendants, spiritually, of the people Jesus called the seed of the serpent.
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


I don't think there ever WAS an old Testament "nation of Israel". The geographical area had names like "Judea". Didn't "Israel" refer to THE PEOPLE? Specifically, 'the body of believers'?
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OT refers to 'kingdoms'. The northern and southern were based on how Moses divided the tribes and allotted them the land.

Many people do not fully read God's covenant with Abraham. If his descendants did not follow His ways, God said he would destroy them and drive them from the land.

The final destruction was in 70 AD when God said He divorced Judah and compared Jerusalem to Sodom and Egypt.
 Quoting: WaitOne 1332393


Finally!!!! Someone who gets it!

OP let me ask you this though if I may: Do you know about the two sticks prophecy of Ezekiel and how it says that the northern (Jews) and southern (Christians) kingdoms will be reunited into one stick in the Lord's hands?

Also are you familiar with the prophecy that says the fake Jews (the "serpents" or "children of the devil" as they're called) will one day be exposed and caused to worship at the feet of the true Christians?

Or do you believe there is no hope for the Jews at all?

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