Question for Christians concerning Adam & Eve

FAIRY TALE>.............................

It's ADAM and STEVE!

It's SYMBOLISM YOU FOOL


The world is not controlled by government agencies or religions the world is controlled by SYMBOLS.

Wake up.

Good point.

But the tards will either ignore this or say "Gos HAD to give them a choice"

Watch now as the tard brigade eother runs for their lives or begins another 20 page thread of hate..slander..arguments..backbiting..and just generally playing "WHOS a better christian"

5...4...3...2...1...

If God wanted to just give them a choice then why didn't he just not say anything, thus allowing them to make their own decision?

God had to take us out of paradise, on purpose, so that we could return on our own and be truly aware of what it is. Born into a paradise is no paradise at all, just look at Rockefeller children.

Let me rephrase this another way for those who lack the intelligence to speak in the language of symbols.

God created the Devil so that we WOULD disobey God, otherwise we would never truly be able to understand what God is. Without siding with the Devil we can not side with God either. To worship God is to worship all that he hath created, INCLUDING THE DEVIL.

That's right I said it.. God WANTED US TO DISOBEY HIM so that we could then become AWARE of our nakedness

This is the story of creation. It is in symbols.

For those who picture a bearded old man with a lightning bolt in hand creating the Universe in 7 revolutions of the newborn Earth around the newborn Sun, you will never come to understand the true meanings of the mysteries.

For those "atheists" who refuse spiritual atonement and fail to recognize the grand architectural nature of this Universe, you will never come to understand the true meanings of the mysteries.

To never understand these mysteries is like wandering about in a great library without ever touching the books.

Watch the movie "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus" if you wish to understand what I'm talking about.

No your not onto something.

Jezuz,
Another Matrix movie comparison.

Adam and Eve were originally spirit form, IE no physical bodies. Read and eventually you can figure it out from there.

That is also our true nature.

Last Edited by Fishy6 on 04/07/2011 06:28 PM

I just alluded to one sentence in the Matrix!!!! As an example!!


You completely missed what I was talking about!!

YES! ADAM AND EVE WERE NOT PHYSICAL BODIES UNTIL THEY DISOBEYED GOD.. GOD WANTED THEM TO DISOBEY SO THEY COULD BE IMPRISONED AND THEREFORE RETURN TO PARADISE AFTER LEAVING THEIR PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION


Do you have a brain, sir?

We are imprisoned so that when we die we can realize our true nature, don't you hate when you can say the SAME THING as someone else on GLP and they STILL disagree with you?

Interesting. So you're saying that the bible old Testament infers that adam and eve had spirit bodies. Examples?

No you're not "on to something". God knew what would happen of course (and had plans already) but it's not like God WANTED Adam to disobey; what He wanted was Man to CHOOSE God instead of himself.

In other words Adam had a problem, "Do I do what I want for myself, OR Do I do what God wants". It's about illusion of complete self reliance, ultimately as a CREATED being that is impossible because we being in the image of God (but yet a created being) will falter and fail or make mistakes etc.

Put it this way, lets you have a child and you want to teach him to not do something like touch the hot things. So you tell him not to touch it or he will be burned. He could choose to listen to you OR he could choose to touch it, of course because he is a child (i.e. a created being) he is not fully able to understand the ramifications so he only has your WORD to go by. If he touches it he trusted HIMSELF in that it is ok to do so (mistakenly because he is the child and you are the parent), but if he does not touch it (not knowing first hand if it is ok) he is trusting in YOU as the parent.

I can put it in other ways but I think this is enough

I cant read Hebrew or the original language of the old testament and a lot is lost in the translation, but if you read the King James version and take it at face value, it reads as if Adam and Eve are mortal

until you get to this and a few other phrases....

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.

and that to me means they were created as immortal and when they ate from the tree of knowledge (which I am sure is not an actual tree, but is a metaphor) they became mortal. The tree of life could be DNA, who knows.

There are a few other odd references too here and there in the bible.

If we do actually have spirit, soul, mind, heart and his essence carries on beyond death then our true nature has to spirit form and this shell is just temporary baggage to allow us to exist here for a short while. But why ??

If you start looking at odd verses and really pick them apart they really make you wonder, like this one....

Then God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.

So god said our, not my image.

Also everybody assumes well God must look like Us humans, but when was that ??

3 million years ago when we were hairy, 250,000 years ago, before we crossed with Neanderthals or how we look now ?? How about beings from other planets or dimensions ??

To me it makes sense that God made all of us in his own image which is a universal spiritual image and not a material form.

Anyway the material form is just not that material. Everything in its basic/material form is composed of pure energy. Protons, electrons, neutrons, quarks etc, Just a big bundle of energy formed into what we see as solid.

That is the big issue IMO is that we humans are so caught up in the material world, that is all we can see, but the material world alone can not explain consciousness and protons, electrons, neutrons, quarks etc cant explain it either.

If you flip over to Edgar Cayce, which I am convinced was the real deal, a devoted christian, but also believed in reincarnation, but he also believed in heaven and hell, in one of his readings he stated that very early human inhabitants of earth were spiritual beings, that started manifesting themselves into material form. They were warned and eventually got stuck in the life cycle which brings us to today. He also stated that time was an illusions.

If you start thinking out of the box about life as we know it and apply some faith and study, you can begin to see that things are really a lot different than they seem on the surface.

For me now, I do believe that reincarnation can happen or you could skip it and move on if you know how.

I certainly believe that people that believe in reincarnation will certainly reincarnate, and people that believe you just go in the ground and thats it will end up worm food, but people/souls IMO fully or partially manifest their own destiny in the physical realm.

As far as Heaven and hell I think it is real but in a different form. I do think you can be evil here on earth enough to go straight to a spiritual hell for eternity.

The $64,000 question is why we are here in physical form on earth.

God is all knowing
My guess would be that yes He knew what was going to happen

If God had not told them not to eat of the fruit
Then no sin would have taken place

God gave man free will the same day He gave man a choice
Im not sure what Gods entire plan is
However I do know His plans are only for good

the serpent was coruppted
God created free will
Without free will neither good nor evil can be done
the serpent had free will, and chose to serve evil

The answer is yes OP. Any other answer is certainly not what the scripture teaches.

Only God has free will in the Bible.

Last Edited by The Goatman on 04/08/2011 12:09 AM

"To worship God is to worship all that he hath created, INCLUDING THE DEVIL."


Wrong-serious error

we are not to denigrate as we do not know the part being played by the "devil"



but never to worship what was created but that which is a self progenitor




that is the truth-never worship anything but the Most High



otherwise it is blasphemy



We are warned to not eat or mix with those who do not abide in the spirit of the Most High


Not to judge another person, but to always judge an action-so we can determine if we should also do it or not-


too many do not know the word, nor do they try to discern it by the Holy spirit-left with partial truths and phrasing taken out of context-


Why???

Because too many wait for another to tell them and rarely if ever check things out-maybe it is too much work, or maybe they do not want to take responsibility for their poor choices-they believe they can blame another-and it will be their own fault

EXCELLENT POINTS BUT F- FOR NO MLA FORMATTING SEE ME AFTER CLASS

I think the only thing that could have taken God by surprise is the resiliance of mans Faith in him. For it was great but not the greatest gift by God

Onto something?

Common sense tells us that it was God who spoke to Eve. God sent Adam and Eve here for a reason. He planned for them to "eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

Glad you finally figured it out.

Yes.

God is pure in His guidance. Always keep God holy.