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BAD NEWS FOR OBAMA 1890 SS NUMBER TRACED TO DEAD MAN IN HI

 
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I will admit that I did not read all 19 pages of this thread. I did read the first 4 or 5.

Frankly, I don't care whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen or not, just doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

But I've done genealogy research for 15 years and I don't understand the OP's post being taken on face value. There are at least 8 Jean Ludwigs that were born 1890 or close to it who immigrated to the U.S. The record showing the immigration was quoted for what reason? It doesn't connect to a SS#.

The social security death index does not show a death for the quoted SS#. At least I couldn't find a record. I checked all of the Jean Ludwig's on the index and none of them have a SS# beginning with 042
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Birthers don’t and cannot know the Obama’s SSN, because the following actions are prohibited under the law:

(a) Publicly post or publicly display in any manner an individual's social security number. "Publicly post" or "publicly display" means to intentionally communicate or otherwise make available to the general public.

(b) Print an individual's social security number on any card required for the individual to access products or services provided by the person or entity;

(c) Require an individual to transmit his or her social security number over the internet, unless the connection is secure or the social security number is encrypted;


Jean Paul Ludwig SSN was 042-68-4425.

Since Obama got his first job in Hawaii, his SSN would start with 575 or 576. 042 would be on the East Coast, and he didn't move there until he was about 20 when he went to Columbia.

Just more birthers’ hogwash.
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His first job was at an ice cream store. Maybe he worked off the books.
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Maaaaaybe...

But vague speculations are not enough to remove once sworn POTUS out of his office; you’d need bullet-proof evidences for that; if Hillary or Reps would’ve had them, they’d already use them.

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There are scores of things that makes one have doubts - too many things that don't add up and that should be questioned. That's all we're doing.

As far as Hillary, do you think 0bama doesn't have anything on her and Bill? They are probably equally guilty of stuff, if not more, than 0bama is . Then there is the fact that Hillary values her life, and more so the life of her child. I don't put anything past 0bama.
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BTW, Trump's mother was born in Germany as well.
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Edit: Trump's mother Mary Anne MacLeod, was born in Stornoway, Scotland. Don't expact from him to pull out the NBC issue, LOL.
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And she was naturalized 2 years before his birth.

Trump is a natural born Citizen. When he was born both his parents were US Citizens and he was born in the US.

As for those citing Chester Author - his status we well hidden until recently. It was brought into the mainstream by Leo Donofrio - a poker playing attorney.
 Quoting: Redcat1

Geeze, you're seriously deluded: the allegedly super secret Arthur’s fathers citizenship is a renowned fact you can find in any encyclopedia or Arthur’s biography.

But yes, Donofrio is indeed a "poker playing attorney" as Oily Taint is Russian born dentist / real estate agent / attorney. C'mon...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Chester Alan Arthur was the son of Irish-born preacher William Arthur (born in Cullybackey, Ballymena, County Antrim) and Vermont-born Malvina Stone Arthur. Malvina's grandfather, Uriah Stone, fought for the Continental Army during the American Revolution and named his son, Malvina's father, George Washington Stone. Malvina's mother was part Native American. At the time of the birth of the future president, Arthur's father was an Irish subject of the United Kingdom of Scottish descent, who naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 1843.

[link to law.marquette.edu]

Questions of Arthur’s eligibility for the nation’s highest office surfaced during the 1880 campaign. Arthur was the son of an Irishman who emigrated first to Canada and the then to the United States, and who finally became a naturalized United States citizen in 1843, fifteen years after his son Arthur’s birth in 1829. Arthur’s mother was a United States citizen born in Vermont but whose family immigrated to Canada where she met and married her husband. By the time of Arthur’s birth, his parents had moved back to Vermont.

The controversy over Arthur’s citizenship status centers around the place of Arthur’s actual birth. By one account he was born in his family’s home in Franklin County, Vermont. If this was true, then he was clearly a natural born citizen. On the other hand, the competing account has it that he was born during his pregnant mother’s visit to her family’s home in Canada.
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I will admit that I did not read all 19 pages of this thread. I did read the first 4 or 5.

Frankly, I don't care whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen or not, just doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

But I've done genealogy research for 15 years and I don't understand the OP's post being taken on face value. There are at least 8 Jean Ludwigs that were born 1890 or close to it who immigrated to the U.S. The record showing the immigration was quoted for what reason? It doesn't connect to a SS#.

The social security death index does not show a death for the quoted SS#. At least I couldn't find a record. I checked all of the Jean Ludwig's on the index and none of them have a SS# beginning with 042
 Quoting: Easeful


I also missed the link that shows the proof of Obama's SS#.

Was this supposed to be serious research or just an opportunity for birthers and non birthers to clash?
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arent you meant to verity someones id and credentials before you elect them as your leader?
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Whaaaat?

Wat are credntals? I know he was on TV a lot.
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Just another made up story for the racists to latch onto in their desperate hope to get a Black man out of their precious "White" house. LOL

If they only knew how many black folks actually ran things that they have no clue about, they would have a Archie Bunker level conniption fit! ROTFHLMAO
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arent you meant to verity someones id and credentials before you elect them as your leader?
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It shou be, but it's not the case. Some states are trying to change that in time for 2012.
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It's like Bushes second term.

Asked around at the time. The most common comment was, "I don't know of anyone who voted for him..."

But you know, the TV said he won. So I guess he did.
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I will admit that I did not read all 19 pages of this thread. I did read the first 4 or 5.

Frankly, I don't care whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen or not, just doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

But I've done genealogy research for 15 years and I don't understand the OP's post being taken on face value. There are at least 8 Jean Ludwigs that were born 1890 or close to it who immigrated to the U.S. The record showing the immigration was quoted for what reason? It doesn't connect to a SS#.

The social security death index does not show a death for the quoted SS#. At least I couldn't find a record. I checked all of the Jean Ludwig's on the index and none of them have a SS# beginning with 042
 Quoting: Easeful


You don't care if our president is a criminal? Really? You don't care to ask why so much has been hidden?
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Just another made up story for the racists to latch onto in their desperate hope to get a Black man out of their precious "White" house. LOL

If they only knew how many black folks actually ran things that they have no clue about, they would have a Archie Bunker level conniption fit! ROTFHLMAO

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You just *have* to turn this into racist shit don't you.

Shill.
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I will admit that I did not read all 19 pages of this thread. I did read the first 4 or 5.

Frankly, I don't care whether Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen or not, just doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

But I've done genealogy research for 15 years and I don't understand the OP's post being taken on face value. There are at least 8 Jean Ludwigs that were born 1890 or close to it who immigrated to the U.S. The record showing the immigration was quoted for what reason? It doesn't connect to a SS#.

The social security death index does not show a death for the quoted SS#. At least I couldn't find a record. I checked all of the Jean Ludwig's on the index and none of them have a SS# beginning with 042
 Quoting: Easeful


I also missed the link that shows the proof of Obama's SS#.

Was this supposed to be serious research or just an opportunity for birthers and non birthers to clash?
 Quoting: Easeful


[link to www.wnd.com]

Here's one link. There are more throughout the thread.
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Birthers, I know you'll ignore that, but mark my words:

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You realize if he's impeached, Biden becomes president right?
 
Just sayin...
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It would null the entire presidency. It would mean he and Biden both didn't legitimately win the election.
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IF
it starts looking bad (worse?) for the President he might just do a Nixon and resign before he's charged with anything. The VP would serve out the term. Then I'd imagine they'd nominate Hillary for another try.

Or Plan B- give the office to the Speaker of the House to serve until the 2012 election

which would be cheaper in the long run than

C Nullify the 2008 election results and immediately schedule another election (for less than 2 year term?)

Oh hey, 21st Century, great times so far!another do
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Just another made up story for the racists to latch onto in their desperate hope to get a Black man out of their precious "White" house. LOL

If they only knew how many black folks actually ran things that they have no clue about, they would have a Archie Bunker level conniption fit! ROTFHLMAO

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175548


No one cares what color he is except you! YOU are the racist!

I couldn't care less if he's purple, it doesn't mean he's above the law and can lie, cheat, and steal his way into the presidency.

This is not about race, and anyone trying to Whoopi it into being so looks at stupid as she does.
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Just another made up story for the racists to latch onto in their desperate hope to get a Black man out of their precious "White" house. LOL

If they only knew how many black folks actually ran things that they have no clue about, they would have a Archie Bunker level conniption fit! ROTFHLMAO

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You just *have* to turn this into racist shit don't you.

Shill.
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clappa
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Just another made up story for the racists to latch onto in their desperate hope to get a Black man out of their precious "White" house. LOL

If they only knew how many black folks actually ran things that they have no clue about, they would have a Archie Bunker level conniption fit! ROTFHLMAO

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175548


You just *have* to turn this into racist shit don't you.

Shill.
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Not my fault the shoe fits......where was all the "outrage" when Arnold Schwarzenterminator wanted to run.....many of the SAME (white) folks who are drooling over these Obama BC "stories" are the SAME ones who were SERIOUSLY talking about amending the conststution just for Ahnuld.... LOL
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Sorry I have more info to add. I decided to take that new number from www.rootsweb.com that was Jean Ludwig's and do a social security number validator. [link to www.ssnvalidator.com] It says as of 10-1-2010 there is no death record. And it was issued between 1988-1992. That was 8 YEARS after Jean Ludwig's death. It looks as if SOMEONE, is indeed using this dead man's social. Is there anyone that can figure out which social Obama is using? I'll keep checking to see what I can find. :)
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I think there is more than one SS# attributed to him, not just this one?
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Surely Trump will pick up on the SS# thing, its MUCH bigger than the BC issue.

Identity theft FELONY!!
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if they dont prosecute the Mexicans ....why would they prosecute Obama?
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you people are fucking crazy
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No. For legal reasons what we are doing is "role playing" and not stating anything for any other purpose than entertainment.

I just thought the whole issue was about Obama having a foreign father hence hide the birth certificate.

But if he can have a foreign dad and still be natural than it doesn't matter.
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Six other U.S. presidents had a foreign-born parent.

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

At least Chester Arthur's father was a subject of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth (1829) – he naturalized in 1843.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

BTW, Trump's mother was born in Germany as well.
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All those presidents had parents who were citizens of the U.S. at the time of their birth except one. Donald Trump's mother was a citizen at the time of his birth. Unlike Hussein 0bama, Sr.

I can't believe you don't know all that.
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Surely Trump will pick up on the SS# thing, its MUCH bigger than the BC issue.

Identity theft FELONY!!
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if they dont prosecute the Mexicans ....why would they prosecute Obama?
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Because 0bama is doing a bit more than grilling hamburgers.

I agree with you, though. Unfortunatly, they probably won't.
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I also missed the link that shows the proof of Obama's SS#.

Was this supposed to be serious research or just an
opportunity for birthers and non birthers to clash?


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Obama lies about everything else.


Why would anyone expect any different about his credentials?


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Sorry I have more info to add. I decided to take that new number from www.rootsweb.com that was Jean Ludwig's and do a social security number validator. [link to www.ssnvalidator.com] It says as of 10-1-2010 there is no death record. And it was issued between 1988-1992. That was 8 YEARS after Jean Ludwig's death. It looks as if SOMEONE, is indeed using this dead man's social. Is there anyone that can figure out which social Obama is using? I'll keep checking to see what I can find. :)
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Keep checking....and checking....and checking.....please keep "checking" for as long as you can....we need to keep jackasses like you busy and out of the way LOL
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I also missed the link that shows the proof of Obama's SS#.

Was this supposed to be serious research or just an
opportunity for birthers and non birthers to clash?


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 Quoting: Easeful
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Obama lies about everything else.


Why would anyone expect any different about his credentials?


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334505


I know....right?....Because no ther president has ever lied before..REPEATEDLY.....not even the guy right before him!.....LOL

I love racists....they are so dumb its really entertaining!
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Just another made up story for the racists to latch onto in their desperate hope to get a Black man out of their precious "White" house. LOL

If they only knew how many black folks actually ran things that they have no clue about, they would have a Archie Bunker level conniption fit! ROTFHLMAO

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175548


You just *have* to turn this into racist shit don't you.

Shill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1311546


Not my fault the shoe fits......where was all the "outrage" when Arnold Schwarzenterminator wanted to run.....many of the SAME (white) folks who are drooling over these Obama BC "stories" are the SAME ones who were SERIOUSLY talking about amending the conststution just for Ahnuld.... LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175548


The difference is between someone who would have been an honest and valid president, and the fact that we have a criminal in office. If Obama had been honest, people might have been just as earnest about amending the constitution for him. However, you might note that it wasn't amended, and Obama is a criminal.

But I guess because he's black (or tries to say he is) that means he doesn't play by the same rules as the rest of us? Black people can break the law, but the people holding them accountable are racists?

Why is this so hard? You can turn anything into being about race, because you're obviously racists, but the truth is no one gives a wet noodle what color you are. However, how you ACT matters. No one likes a racist, so stop trying to make this about the freaking color of your skin.

Obama isn't even black!! He's mostly Arab! Or would you like to try and play the Arab card now?
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Sorry I have more info to add. I decided to take that new number from www.rootsweb.com that was Jean Ludwig's and do a social security number validator. [link to www.ssnvalidator.com] It says as of 10-1-2010 there is no death record. And it was issued between 1988-1992. That was 8 YEARS after Jean Ludwig's death. It looks as if SOMEONE, is indeed using this dead man's social. Is there anyone that can figure out which social Obama is using? I'll keep checking to see what I can find. :)
 Quoting: Bigmama


Keep checking....and checking....and checking.....please keep "checking" for as long as you can....we need to keep jackasses like you busy and out of the way LOL
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Right, because proving he's a criminal won't matter. It's okay for him to be a criminal because he looks black. Therefore he can never be held accountable. HE can break the law, because after all, he looks black.

Racist.
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I also missed the link that shows the proof of Obama's SS#.

Was this supposed to be serious research or just an
opportunity for birthers and non birthers to clash?


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 Quoting: Easeful
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Obama lies about everything else.


Why would anyone expect any different about his credentials?


.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1334505


I know....right?....Because no ther president has ever lied before..REPEATEDLY.....not even the guy right before him!.....LOL

I love racists....they are so dumb its really entertaining!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175548


Yes, they lied before and were called out on it before, just like him.

Oh, I forgot, he can't be called out because he looks black. The rules don't apply to him.

Racist.
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You realize if he's impeached, Biden becomes president right?
 
Just sayin...
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It would null the entire presidency. It would mean he and Biden both didn't legitimately win the election.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994063


IF
it starts looking bad (worse?) for the President he might just do a Nixon and resign before he's charged with anything. The VP would serve out the term. Then I'd imagine they'd nominate Hillary for another try.

Or Plan B- give the office to the Speaker of the House to serve until the 2012 election

which would be cheaper in the long run than

C Nullify the 2008 election results and immediately schedule another election (for less than 2 year term?)

Oh hey, 21st Century, great times so far!another do
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1249596

It IS looking bad for Obama; his presidency looks like Bush’s next term (banksters bailouts, sandbox wars, the Patriot act sham); but there another option

Plan D: Engage a power-player able to allure and spur up public attention onto the field where Obama can easily win. IF Obama’s credentials are false, then FBI, CIA and NSI are involved in the cover-up, sooooo…

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they did have social security numbers until the 1940's so how they tracing any one to 1890????
 Quoting: ceawaves


Social security numbers began being issued in the 1930s, during FDR's administration

My father was born in 1921, before SSNs existed, but he was issued a SSN in 1939.

It didn't have to be issued at birth, the same way someone can become an American citizen at the age of 60, and then carry a valid passport. The passport will list their birth date and place of birth (let's say Germany 1949) even though they weren't born here.

The important thing to know is that SSN are not recycled!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1301792


FDR screwed this country with the biggest shake down ponzi scheme in history - socialist insecurity! And liberals make him into such a hero. They lie that he "saved' us from teh depression with all of the socialism that is currently crashing and dividing our country. He was the one who invented the "living constitution" - giving leftist judges the power to change it's meaning upon their whim and politics! He totally murdered the constitution - FOR SOCIALISM.

Now we have Obama the illegal alien in the white house. Liberals will rewrite this history too. He saved us all from economic crash and saved the world with peace just like Lincoln.

I hate these people.

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