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French police will from Monday become the first officers in Europe empowered to intercept Muslim women wearing full-face veils and to threaten them with fines if they refuse to expose their faces.

While some other countries and territories have drawn up bans on the burqa and the niqab, France -- home to Europe's largest Muslim population -- will be the first to risk stirring social tensions by putting one into practice.


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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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good, i hope it works.
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that's just wrong.
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You know what else they should ban ? Small boobs. There, I said it.
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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Oh, and your country is any better? You have the entire nation under surveillance like 1984, the only thing you losers can do is follow the royal family around like a bunch of fucking idiots.
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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You making a list?
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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You making a list?
 Quoting: mathetes


And checkin it twice? chuckle
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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You making a list?
 Quoting: mathetes


And checkin it twice? chuckle
 Quoting: cRoSS FiRe


lol
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We'll see an attempted government overthrow.

I read there are protests in France over this. If they don't like it, they can get the fuck out of France.

When us 'infidels' are in an Islamic state, we have to conform. They need to conform to other countries instead of trying to make every country an Islamic state.
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:bravo:
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
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You making a list?
 Quoting: mathetes


And checkin it twice? chuckle
 Quoting: cRoSS FiRe


lol
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Guess I can't wear my burqini to the French Riviera this summer. Darn it!
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483


If you'll read the original story,also in the op you will find that this ban includes the niqab,which in Arabic literally means MASK...its common sense ac,can you wear a MASK to the bank or shop with one on? Of course not
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483



This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state.

Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land.
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Re: French burqa ban goes into force on Monday
Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from dressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483


If you'll read the original story,also in the op you will find that this ban includes the niqab,which in Arabic literally means MASK...its common sense ac,can you wear a MASK to the bank or shop with one on? Of course not
 Quoting: mathetes


Except this ban doesn't only apply to shops and banks, which are private institutions and therefore can enforce their own rules about not allowing bike helmets etc. It applies to any public place.

Would you support American politicians banning people covering their faces in any public place?
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This new ban will not apply to Jews wearing Burkas, of course.



That would be antisemitic, dontcha know.
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483



This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state.

Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 855842


Do you want to take a guess at the proportion of Muslim women in France who actually choose to wear the niqab? Because I can guarantee you will vastly overestimate it.

And what sort of argument is 'we can't do it there, so they can't do it here!' anyway? Why don't we ban Muslims from refusing to drink alcohol and eat pork while we're at it?
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I guess that makes you happy.

Your attitude hasn't gone unnoticed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335436


Muzzi alert!
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Hahaha, cognitive dissonance anyone?

‘Belgium’s French-speaking liberals, who proposed the veil law, argued that an inability to identify people who have hidden their faces presents a security risk and that the veil was a “walking prison” for women.

…Wearing the facial veil, known as the niqab, and the body-length outer garment, or burqa, widely worn in Afghanistan, could lead to fines of 15-25 euros (about $20 to $33) and imprisonment for up to seven days.’
 Quoting: Reuters


Against ambulatory prisons! For sedentary ones!
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It's quite simple. If anyone has a problem with it they can go back to where it's accepted.
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If women refuse to cast off their 'walking prisons' we'll bang them up in our static prisons in the name of freedom! We Know What's Best For You.
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483



This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state.

Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 855842


Do you want to take a guess at the proportion of Muslim women in France who actually choose to wear the niqab? Because I can guarantee you will vastly overestimate it.

And what sort of argument is 'we can't do it there, so they can't do it here!' anyway? Why don't we ban Muslims from refusing to drink alcohol and eat pork while we're at it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483


Fair is fair. They want rights, they need to treat others with respect in order to get respect.

Every heard of the Monks of Tibihirine? Read up on it. You have to be a pretty evil and sinister person to behead monks. Better yet, watch the movie, The Gods of Men.

They expect tolerance from everyone else, but will not return it.
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who the fuck is any government to tell anyone how to dress?

if you support this, go look in the mirror... you are next.

whatever you think of how anyone dresses, if you allow government to have power to change that, then you give them the right to outlaw what you choose to wear.

Liberty isn't just right, or cool, it's smart.
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483


>Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?

Their husbands would whip them to death or behead them if they chose to got unveiled
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...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483



This is about the prevention of turning France into an Islamic state.

Since we are on the subject of 'rights': What about the rights of others that visit Muslim countries? There are none for us 'infidels'. I'm pretty certain that because I'm not a Muslim, I'd have to cover my head since I'm a woman. They want rights everywhere else, but will not even grant permission for Christian churches to exist on their land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 855842


Do you want to take a guess at the proportion of Muslim women in France who actually choose to wear the niqab? Because I can guarantee you will vastly overestimate it.

And what sort of argument is 'we can't do it there, so they can't do it here!' anyway? Why don't we ban Muslims from refusing to drink alcohol and eat pork while we're at it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483


Fair is fair. They want rights, they need to treat others with respect in order to get respect.

Every heard of the Monks of Tibihirine? Read up on it. You have to be a pretty evil and sinister person to behead monks. Better yet, watch the movie, The Gods of Men.

They expect tolerance from everyone else, but will not return it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 855842


Ever heard of Baruch Goldstein? Read up on him. You have to be a pretty evil and sinister person to massacre people from behind with a machine gun while they're praying.

Throwing around examples of atrocities committed by any group really doesn't get us anywhere I'm afraid.
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Many supporters of the law have defended it as a measure not designed to harm Islam, but to support a woman's right to walk unveiled, although the text makes it clear that a woman can not choose herself to cover her face in public.

Under a ministerial directive, anyone refusing to lift his or her veil to submit to an identity check can be taken to a police station. There, officers must try to persuade them to remove the garment, and can threaten fines.

A woman who repeatedly insists on appearing veiled in public can be fined 150 euros ($A205) and ordered to attend re-education classes.

 Quoting: mathetes


...wow

Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1335483


>Supporting people's rights by preventing them from ressing how they choose? What sort of fucked up logic is that?

Their husbands would whip them to death or behead them if they chose to got unveiled
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All of them? Really? Prove it.

There is a clause in the law banning people from threatening or pressuring women to wear the veil, which is fair enough. why do they have to specifically ban the women from freely choosing to wear it as well?
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who the fuck is any government to tell anyone how to dress?

if you support this, go look in the mirror... you are next.

whatever you think of how anyone dresses, if you allow government to have power to change that, then you give them the right to outlaw what you choose to wear.

Liberty isn't just right, or cool, it's smart.
 Quoting: useless-eater


Yeah, exactly. I hope you realise this law would also prohibit people covering their faces in any anti-government protests, and make them much easier to put on 'watch lists' for later harassment and arrest.

But yeah, it's fine as long as it's only Muslims being affected, right?
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So let me get this right.

People that support this cite their perception as Islam being extreme & oppressive & their answer to this is extremism & oppression.

If you support that argument then you're stupid, intolerant & every much an enemy of liberty as you perceive Islam to be.

Is it just me or do other people get tired of the sheer stupidity of fascists & racists?

Love to all. Especially those who want to wear Burqa. I support your right to do so.
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If the "letterbox women" don't like it, then as one poster put it, piss off back to where you came from.

It's OK for them (Muslims) to build fu**ing great big Mosques over here in the UK that make our town centres look like disneyland with their great big gold domes, playing stupid wailing sounds every day.

But if we wanted to build a Church over in their country, we would be told very quickly where to shove it! You can't even hold hands with your Wife in a public place over in the Middle East as it's against their laws. So if we don't like it, we don't go on bloody holiday or want to live there!

If they didn't go around dressed like that wearing bombs and blowing up people, then maybe they would get some relaxation on the rules.

Each Country has it's own set of laws and rules and if you don't like it, don't go there, it's basic common sense!