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If We All Come From Adam And Eve, Why Are There Different Races?

 
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Hey TX, just wanna say 'what a great thread!' There definately were people before them. Sorry i can't watch all your vids my internet is shit! Although i am an atheist, I truly believe the bible is full of historic keys to a power in another dimension, and can be used as a reference to our past. That being said, you are right that it has been so manipulated by man to serve his greed. I've been trying very hard to find the reason of my existence and connect all the dots between God, Jesus, Ra, Horus, ET's, UFO's angels and demons and i find myself starting to be fatigued. It's like trying to imagine a color you have never seen before........ 5 stars btw, love all your threads!!!

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Ok. He says that they will know good from evil. That is not even conected to the first lie. The second sentence he is tempting with knowledge then acting like God is bad for not wanting them to know it. So then Eve ends up cursing God by eating the fruit.

This is all just fussing over words and is not making the point. The point is where do the races come from. Apparently you want to say some are from Satan. I wonder who you think are those then, while you complain aobut racsism.
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NAH! You are trying to dodge the fact. Satan not only said their eyes would be opened but they would BECOME OR BE LIKE GODS which is EXACTLY what God confirms in verse 22.

The Bible says Cain was the son of a 'lord'. Jews hid the names and some translations have tried to insert Jehovah or Yahveh wherever it said "lord" in their own interpretation. But once again you reject what 1 John 3:12 says about Can being Satan's son or offpsring. If you ignore the Commentary made by scholars, what can I do? More than this the apocrypha also mention why Cain's face looked as described "decayed" (Genesis 4:6). But since you hate apocrypha I would allow you to do your own research in case you wanna do it. Cain was never Abel's brother but merely half-brother. His face was ... I may say "ungodly" as a seed but very impressive and shiny.
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Why would they become like gods? Were they not already like gods and if not, why would they want to be? The lure was the knowledge. The Bible says we are all gods, not that we all became gods.

I think god just means creator with spiritual power. They didn't realize their own power and how it could be misused by Satan. He made Eve doubt her own worth by saying she wasn't already a god. Satan is jealous of mankind because they are in God's image and God loves them.

The angels do get really mad at humans. They are allowed to mess with us also. The way to be protected is to stay close to God and not aggravate them.

Eve should have said I don't need to be a god, there is already enough knowledge for me, and I know what I heard. He just got her all mixed up and then she saw that the fruit was good for food so she desired it in her heart. You must be very careful what you allow into your mind. Otherwise you will listen to your heart and destroy your spirit if you are deceived.
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Now,let's talk about apostle Paul. Acts 9:7 says about his vision (because the fierce Saul became Paul after that vision) that the men with him clearly HEARD A VOICE but saw nobody while chapters later, on 22:6-10 we read exactly the opposite. That is his companions SAW A LIGHT but were unable to hear anything. This Paul was always fighting with apostles, being accused of carryying a wife and making profit while he accused the other apostles... well, this Paul is the one wo occupies a big deal of the New Testament. Let's assume Paul knew something of the truth about what happened in Eden. Let's guess he was not making up things never explained by Christ. If he was right in 2 Corinthians 11:3 Satan used a MIND TRICK to deceive Eve. Her thoughts were altered.

He didn't explain the know-how. We just know Satan said Adam and Eve would open their eyes and even more, that they WOULD BECOME LIKE GODS and we know by Genesis account (not invented by me) that God confirms that statement. Period.


Was the tree something of the DNA or the brain's third eye, or hallucinogenic tree that triggered whatever inside the brain, was it the tantra sex with Satan? The fact is in Hebrew we know in Genesis that was a dragon-like creature, winged-snakes. Isaiah 6:1-6 (and other chapters he mentions winged-snakes) as creatures with even hands and feet. We know ancient snakes also did have feet. The spiritual matrix did have a metamorphosis. Interesting is in the same chapter Paul (verse 14) says Satan disguises himself into light. The words he uses in Greek are "metashematizo" which is the root of metamorphosis and "phosphorus" or light carrier. Meaning he knows holographic tricks better than us.

This makes the whole thing very interesting as a sort of plan that God allowed since the beginning. Snake in Hebrew Genesis can also mean a female attitude so we can think about several layers of interpretation and not a single one as favorite unique "truth" explained by a Protestant church.

If the book of Job suggests Satan was in an asembly of the sons of God and making demands to Almighty, we outta know the moral issue in this case, like a trial longer than O.J. Simpson in which the whole mankind is WATCHED or observed by OTHER CREATURES IN THE UNIVERSE. If God wiped out the Opposer Sammael, the question wouldn't be solved but remain the same. Now, why would God care about this? What are the aliens sons of God observing here before? Why would the arrogance of Satan appeared related to earth? Why does God in the book of Job mentions the loosening of strings in Orion and Pleaides? What's up there in Mazzaroth God's throne, 7 stars in Pleiades? Would there be sons of God in a particular place or just "spiritual". So many questions and Christian Protestants come here as if they know 100% truth. If Christ is the only thing that matters, well then, don't come to discuss anything not directly related to him and let the rest of us do the research. It's just an excuse to remain ignorant of the very Bible they say they know.
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There aren't different races. Race is a lie. There is only one race, the human race.

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Why would they become like gods? Were they not already like gods and if not, why would they want to be? The lure was the knowledge. The Bible says we are all gods, not that we all became gods.

I think god just means creator with spiritual power. They didn't realize their own power and how it could be misused by Satan. He made Eve doubt her own worth by saying she wasn't already a god. Satan is jealous of mankind because they are in God's image and God loves them.

The angels do get really mad at humans. They are allowed to mess with us also. The way to be protected is to stay close to God and not aggravate them.

Eve should have said I don't need to be a god, there is already enough knowledge for me, and I know what I heard. He just got her all mixed up and then she saw that the fruit was good for food so she desired it in her heart. You must be very careful what you allow into your mind. Otherwise you will listen to your heart and destroy your spirit if you are deceived.
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Now you're doing philosphy. Don't ask me why would they become like gods. Ask to your local priest at your local church the proper question which is WHY ON EARTH IS GOD CONFIRMING SNAKE STATEMENT. Certainly God understood better than you, otherwise he/they would've said "that's snake's lie, it was just a trick and they didn't become like us really".

Now with that statement you're becoming very, very ESOTERIC saying Adam and Eve didn't realize their true POWERS. If they used the powers in the future or not... well, we'll never know. The fact is later on WITH IMPERFECT HUMANS and even lesser "powers" this God he/they is ONCE AGAIN TROUBLED in the Babel Tower because he said (to his companions) "let's climb down and confuse their language because there's nothing in their projects that they wouldn't do". He fears the pyramid/stargates zigurrat INDEED would allow us to reach heaven. Of course this was not like Sitchin's or Daniken's spacehips but actual STONE stargates opening at the right moment, the proper solstice, eclipse, alignment.. and that's why all megaliths were built upon electromagnetic navels of the planet. And like Cain killing Abel, blood/soul was poured generation after generation.
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blacks came from cain cos they just kill everything in site ... so its got to be true , and they bummed noah to and was cursed to be the lowest of man , which they are so this means they came from monkeys , look at the behavour of them and vicuosness i never saw such violent beasts ... and you can beg for your life but it means nothing to them , they just want your 20 bucky , yes 20 bucky for a life , perthetic
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blacks came from cain cos they just kill everything in site ... so its got to be true , and they bummed noah to and was cursed to be the lowest of man , which they are so this means they came from monkeys , look at the behavour of them and vicuosness i never saw such violent beasts ... and you can beg for your life but it means nothing to them , they just want your 20 bucky , yes 20 bucky for a life , perthetic
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Well, maybe you need to read about other races who were violent like Chinese, Russian, Vikings, cannibals from Rapa Nui, red skin Mayans, etc. Try reading books instead of writing nonsense, take your pills for your mind disorder and call me in the morning.
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Satan tempted Eve. She had the power to say no. She lost her spirit which caused her to lose her mind. Even Adam knew it was wrong but went along with it so he could stay with Eve. When you say it was a mind trick you make it sound like she was powerless to resist it. Then you mention psychadellic drugs. There is no LSD in the Bible. You are just throwing that in again.

It wasn't like Adam was crazy. He tried to blame it all on Eve right afterwards, saying the woman you gave me made me do it. He acted like he couldn't say no to her either.

The point is that everyone is responsible for what they let into their mind and everyone is responsible for who they let rule their heart. Adam should have told Eve that she wasn't going to drag him down with her. Then at least he could have stayed in the garden. The fact was he was no better than she was.

Women have weak power over their spirits and men have weak power over their hearts. They have to strive to overcome this but it is very hard because the flesh is weak when the spirit is willing. You need to rely on Christ to overcome these shortcomings.

Women need to put God's word before good sounding ideas. Men need to put God's love before the desires of the heart.

In essence we are all inadequate before God.
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Satan tempted Eve. She had the power to say no. She lost her spirit which caused her to lose her mind. Even Adam knew it was wrong but went along with it so he could stay with Eve. When you say it was a mind trick you make it sound like she was powerless to resist it. Then you mention psychadellic drugs. There is no LSD in the Bible. You are just throwing that in again.

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It's a fact all gardens were part of God's creation and that includes hallucinogenic stuff. I was not talking about drugs but the tree. Fact is there's a chemical symbiosis (put by God obviously) between some plants with the human brain which are like keys opening locks. The very word endorphin is because is endogenous or internal activity like morphin. Specially with pentexil ring and I'm thinking about mushrooms and Ayahuasca. You can read Terence Mc Kenna and Graham Hancock's Supernatural , Huxley, Carlos Castañeda, etc, etc, etc but I imagine you don't read but maybe digest only what is provided by your church (like Jehovah's Witness who read so many Awake and Watchtower and endless list of books and go to meetings that to find ONE of them who actually read the whole Bible is hard indeed!).

The tree of knowledge COULD be that. I'm not saying it is but could be. Moses had epiphany in the bushes. What sort of bush was that? It could be a plant gas with purple flowers or hallucinogenic Acacia. It seems you also ignore the very word used in Hebrew applying to the incense is related with cannabis or marijuana. You seem to be unaware the Jews used during centuries the trees of Mamre where Abraham saw 3 angels appearing and disappearing. BTW John the Baptist's father saw another angel when he was just standing near that very incense. I said mind power because the apostle Paul is saying he was afraid our MINDS could be deceived like Eve's.
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I know, I know you maybe don't know these texts either. Read Genesis 18:1, 2; Luke 1:8-12...
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A good link which tries to be very objective about the us eof cannabis is this:
[link to antiquecannabisbook.com]

And BTW, I didn't know this in the past. This information was given to me by a Jew Christian who was a deep researcher. With time I got to the same conclusion and the fact is the formula is still used in some synagogues.
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Paul did the comparison " But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

Now what did the deception do? Read once again Genesis 3:7. Now the mind is connected with the sexual organs and whoever who has practiced yoga or meditation knows this. And I wonder what would Protestant churches say about Apocalypse 11:8 talking about the Lord being crucified in Egypt and SODOM.....

Once again is related to the snake. But curiously Christ compared himself with YET OTHER SNAKE. In John 3:14 he says the Son of MAN (earthy creature different from the son of god) is like Moses' copper snake. Numbers 21:8, 9 deals with that account. What Christians DON'T KNOW is the snakes mentioned there ALSO HID THE MEANING OF THE SERAPHIM winged-snakes. The translation of bronze snake is also misleading because was used from 18th Century on and bronze is an alloy of COPPER and tin. And Tel Aviv museum showed COPPER snake from ancient times. Copper 62 is used to emit positron antimatter energy. Snake in Hebrew is nahash while copper is nehoshet, similar like cobra is from copper. Mayan language said nachan was the place of snakes and in Sumeriam emash.

To cure yourself from the venom (as in Moses' episode) they needed the copper snake which centuries later had to be eliminated because it became an idol. With the literal venom you create serum. Now this was not like Caduceum double twin snakes but mainly A SINGLE SNAKE wrapped around a staff. Moses learned wisdom from Egypt says the Bible and I wonder if he saw it in Egyptian Book of Dead because ISIS had helpers who were holding staffs with SINGLE snakes wrapped around them. Isis begetting Horus in a magical way. I know the explanation of the churches will focus ONLY interpreting Christ had to be crucified but you'll agree with me the staff could be the cross but not the snake!!!!


If Apocalypse is literature style and very esoteric this crucifiXtion in Sodom and Egypt means a transformation of the son of man to become son of god like in yoga. And not by means of the flesh but the HEART. Satan, I think, tried to teach the path of the sex, the path of the flesh which created chaos.
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Numbers uses nehoshet copper and not aradbronze. Snake also means (in Hebrew) the ones who know the secret of the copper.
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2 rods of bivalent chromosomes do have loops like seraphim 6 "wings":
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Birkelan plasma twists itself like DNA and so some galaxies. The very sun sheds its skin like a snake. This is an energy like Satan probably was like a dragon like creature in spiritual realms.

The single snake in the staff represents (probably) the moment of se-pa-ra-tion or split of the parents' chromosomes to BEGET A CHILD.
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And the Mayans knew the secrets of DNA before our modern science.
[link to fotolog.terra.com]

How come? Well, they didn't have internet or super computers. They deformed their skulls to have an odd brain (like Einstein's) to enhance math and symbols (a whole team of Einsteins running in opposite way to microcephaly anomaly), plus using hallucinogenic stuff plus meditation in closed secret places where light was not allowed to enter. Enhancing the 3rd eye in complete darkness. Read Maurice Cotterell's The Lost Tomb of Viracocha.
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There was something else they used. They altered their hormones. What was the common denominator in ancient civilizations? Remember Abraham married his half-sister Sara and introducing her into pharaoh's own tent and then the Egyptian paid him or rewarded him but was afraid and told him to get out?

And we are saying Eve was taken from Adam's flesh and bones which is cloning or incest? Usually they banned this for commoners, the mob. The elite married among brothers and sisters of the same father BUT DIFFERENT MOTHER..... they were convinced there was something "divine" in their blood. That's why I also mentioned you don't know Hebrew code of the genealogy mentioned in Genesis and I know just a little more but not the whole thing. I wish I knew more.

By mixing among themselves (at the right moment) they changed their blood and hormonal reaction in the bloodstream. In their sacrificies they tortured victims and terror created something in the blood as well or they chose VIRGINS.
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The same reason all dogs are from wolves.
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Was your drawing the computer doodle under the painting? I don't read Portuguese so I don't know who did what.

As far as what you are saying, I just got completely lost at the tree of knowledge was cannabis. Thsi makes me think that you are a frequent user of it and that that is why you think you know so much.

I can't argue with someone who is delusional from drugs. If you are there experimenting with different hallucinogens, that could be why your posts make sense to you. They don't make any sense to me.

You need to get off drugs and just read the Bible with respect. If you think you know all the answers, you will only get more confused. You need a sober mind to understand wisdom, not be tripped out on drugs.
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Y-chromosomal Adam

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In human genetics, Y-chromosomal Adam ( Y-MRCA) is the theoretical most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all living people are descended patrilineally (tracing back along the paternal lines of their family tree only). Y-chromosomal Adam probably lived between 90,000 and 60,000 years ago in the African continent and is the male counterpart of Mitochondrial Eve, although he probably lived later than she did, possibly 50,000 to 80,000 years later.[1]

By analyzing the Y-chromosome DNA from sample populations of males in various parts of the world, geneticist Spencer Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are most likely directly patrilineally descended from one man who lived in the African continent around 60,000 years ago.[2]“ Possibly there was a genetic isolation and remixing of early ancestral groups within Africa, with one group having been more isolated and therefore having a higher predominance of an ancient Y-chromosome haplotype extant in their culture.[3]

Wells says his evidence based on DNA in the Y-chromosome indicates that the exodus began between 60,000 and 50,000 years ago. In his view, the early travelers followed the southern coastline of Asia, crossed about 250 kilometers [155 miles] of sea, and colonized Australia by around 50,000 years ago. The Aborigines of Australia, Wells says, are the descendants of the first wave of migration out of Africa.[2] ”


The article also says that, "many archaeologists disagree, saying the fossil record shows that a first wave of migration occurred around 100,000 years ago". However, microbiologists tend to disagree with this conclusion. According to the article, Wells agrees that there may have been early human forays into the Middle East, but argues that the Levant of 100,000 to 150,000 years ago was essentially an extension of northeastern Africa and was probably part of the original range of early Homo sapiens. These early settlers were replaced by Neanderthals in the region about 80,000 years ago.

By 1995, in scholarly literature, first "Adam" or rather first paternal ancestor date was estimated at 270,000 years ago.[4][5] Later new set of markers was chosen and the age was adjusted to mostly cited value.[6] The dates calculated by Whitfield on new markers was 37,000–49,000 years ago [7] adjusted from 51,000–411,000 years ago[7] in 1994 by Hammer.

The dates are calculated from present day distribution with the following assumptions for unique mutation events (UMEs):
"no strange Y lineages were introduced into this population by means of migration
each UME occurred for the first time within our population
each UME occurred only once
detected all UMEs present in the male subjects studied"[6]
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Nomenclature

Y-chromosomal Adam is named after the Biblical Adam. This may lead to a misconception that he was the only living male of his times, even though he co-existed with plenty of men around,[8] including his own father who was not the "most recent". However, all his other male contemporaries failed to produce a direct unbroken male line to the present day.
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Time frame

Y-chromosomal Adam probably lived between 60,000 and 90,000 years ago, judging from molecular clock and genetic marker studies. While their descendants certainly became close intimates, Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are separated by tens of thousands of years.[citation needed]

The more recent age of the Y-MRCA compared to the mt-MRCA corresponds to a larger statistical dispersion of the probability distribution for a Paleolithic man to have living descendants compared to that of a Paleolithic woman. While fertile women had more or less equally distributed chances of giving birth to a certain number of fertile descendants, chances for fertile men varied more widely, with some fathering no children and others fathering many, with multiple women. (This difference in variance was first pointed out, in the number of descendants of male versus female fruit flies, by Bateman, 1948.)

Population genetics states that in the past, our Y-chromosomal Adam was not the common ancestor of the entire population, and in the future one of his descendants may take over.[citation needed] The Y-MRCA of all humans alive today is different from the one for humans alive at some point in the remote past or future: as male lines die out, a more recent individual becomes the new Y-MRCA.[citation needed] Patrilineal lines are less likely to die out in times of rapid population growth, such as the present, than during a population bottleneck.
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Was your drawing the computer doodle under the painting? I don't read Portuguese so I don't know who did what.

As far as what you are saying, I just got completely lost at the tree of knowledge was cannabis. Thsi makes me think that you are a frequent user of it and that that is why you think you know so much.

I can't argue with someone who is delusional from drugs. If you are there experimenting with different hallucinogens, that could be why your posts make sense to you. They don't make any sense to me.

You need to get off drugs and just read the Bible with respect. If you think you know all the answers, you will only get more confused. You need a sober mind to understand wisdom, not be tripped out on drugs.
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Why are you always judging me as if you knew me? You judge just everything and even if you knew, as a Christian you're forbiden to do that but then again you swallow the camel and filter the mosquito. Who says I use drugs? I am not a user though I experienced a couple of times in the past in very subtle way and nothing compared with the incredible visions you can have without any natural or artificial drugs. If I tell you the very texts saying Moses used an odd "burning" bush that according to scholars could have been an hallucinogenic Acacia you ignore. If I tell you the specific text about Mamre trees where Abraham saw 'angels' and they were indeed used by Jews, if I tell the very incense which allowed John Baptist's dad to see an angel was also using cannabis and I do the homework for you because you don't know and you turn the blind eye off, obviously your argument (like all the texts I have been giving to you and you ignore) will have to say makes nonsense to you. Of course it sounds lunatic to you because you are a Bible ignorant as well.

Who says I know everything. That's ridiculous. I have said I wish I knew all Jewish secrets because all of us have fragments of the "truth". You are the cocky one who feel offended if someone shares points of view different than yours.
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Y-chromosomal Adam

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In human genetics, Y-chromosomal Adam ( Y-MRCA) is the theoretical most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all living people are descended patrilineally (tracing back along the paternal lines of their family tree only). Y-chromosomal Adam probably lived between 90,000 and 60,000 years ago in the African continent and is the male counterpart of Mitochondrial Eve, although he probably lived later than she did, possibly 50,000 to 80,000 years later.[1]

By analyzing the Y-chromosome DNA from sample populations of males in various parts of the world, geneticist Spencer Wells has concluded that all humans alive today are most likely directly patrilineally descended from one man who lived in the African continent around 60,000 years ago.[2]“ Possibly there was a genetic isolation and remixing of early ancestral groups within Africa, with one group having been more isolated and therefore having a higher predominance of an ancient Y-chromosome haplotype extant in their culture.[3]

Wells says his evidence based on DNA in the Y-chromosome indicates that the exodus began between 60,000 and 50,000 years ago. In his view, the early travelers followed the southern coastline of Asia, crossed about 250 kilometers [155 miles] of sea, and colonized Australia by around 50,000 years ago. The Aborigines of Australia, Wells says, are the descendants of the first wave of migration out of Africa.[2] ”


The article also says that, "many archaeologists disagree, saying the fossil record shows that a first wave of migration occurred around 100,000 years ago". However, microbiologists tend to disagree with this conclusion. According to the article, Wells agrees that there may have been early human forays into the Middle East, but argues that the Levant of 100,000 to 150,000 years ago was essentially an extension of northeastern Africa and was probably part of the original range of early Homo sapiens. These early settlers were replaced by Neanderthals in the region about 80,000 years ago.

By 1995, in scholarly literature, first "Adam" or rather first paternal ancestor date was estimated at 270,000 years ago.[4][5] Later new set of markers was chosen and the age was adjusted to mostly cited value.[6] The dates calculated by Whitfield on new markers was 37,000–49,000 years ago [7] adjusted from 51,000–411,000 years ago[7] in 1994 by Hammer.

The dates are calculated from present day distribution with the following assumptions for unique mutation events (UMEs):
"no strange Y lineages were introduced into this population by means of migration
each UME occurred for the first time within our population
each UME occurred only once
detected all UMEs present in the male subjects studied"[6]
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Y-chromosomal Adam is named after the Biblical Adam. This may lead to a misconception that he was the only living male of his times, even though he co-existed with plenty of men around,[8] including his own father who was not the "most recent". However, all his other male contemporaries failed to produce a direct unbroken male line to the present day.
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Y-chromosomal Adam probably lived between 60,000 and 90,000 years ago, judging from molecular clock and genetic marker studies. While their descendants certainly became close intimates, Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve are separated by tens of thousands of years.[citation needed]

The more recent age of the Y-MRCA compared to the mt-MRCA corresponds to a larger statistical dispersion of the probability distribution for a Paleolithic man to have living descendants compared to that of a Paleolithic woman. While fertile women had more or less equally distributed chances of giving birth to a certain number of fertile descendants, chances for fertile men varied more widely, with some fathering no children and others fathering many, with multiple women. (This difference in variance was first pointed out, in the number of descendants of male versus female fruit flies, by Bateman, 1948.)

Population genetics states that in the past, our Y-chromosomal Adam was not the common ancestor of the entire population, and in the future one of his descendants may take over.[citation needed] The Y-MRCA of all humans alive today is different from the one for humans alive at some point in the remote past or future: as male lines die out, a more recent individual becomes the new Y-MRCA.[citation needed] Patrilineal lines are less likely to die out in times of rapid population growth, such as the present, than during a population bottleneck.
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You know all these explanations wil change in a little while until someone else gives a different data. Rebeca Can said this Mitochondrial Eve analysis depends on certain factors and the time could be shorten to 10.000 years. Now if the scientists are already starting from a certain point of view about Africa, of course they will end up in Africa in future investigations and then we have to ask why Africa and not Australia? How come they mix genetics with geopgraphy or topography unless there's also a pre-conceived idea all of us come from that continent and prejuidice related to African inhabitants? I guess these are the sort of people who maybe don't ask why Ramses II or Seti I were blonde in spite of the fact modern Egyptians are not like that or people studying Chinese citizens but not the fossils of blonde Chinese with European clothes sort of thing. The fact is even when we try to approach with modern investigation the tendency is to use uniformitarism dogma that things were in the past like they are nowadays. Fact is we stil do have a lot to learn about DNA sometimes behaving like a weak laser but constant as a far away candle. Mithocondrial DNA needs a lot of further investigation.
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Did I call you cocky? I don't take that as an insult either. If you don't do drugs, maybe you are demon oppressed or possessed. You still don't make any sense.

You want me to accept that John the Baptist's father was high on pot when the angels spoke to him? That is not in the Bible. You are turning visions of God into drug trips. That is why I do say you hate the Bible.

I don't know what you took in the past but maybe you are still tripping on it. I can't lie and say that you sound rational when you don't.
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I put the link for you to study the Hebrew word and background about pot being used in the incense and what Jews know until now. If you prefer to ignore that, it's your business. Nobody can prove anything. Even a book like An The Bible was Right by W. Keller discusses what was Moses "burning bush" while others think it was hallucinogenic. And I clearly said this is not a dogma related to Garden ofd Eden but just one out of many interpretations. Choose whatever you like. You also said I was wrong when I quoted Paul about altered mind even when he mentioned that. You wanted to ignore the verse of Genesis admitting Satan not just said Adam and Eve could know good and evil but actually be like gods, you wanted to deny the text when God admits that. The fact is, Protestant brain-washed creature, you deny the very scriptures. Even the word cannabis comes from the Hebrew word.

Regarding the mitochondrial DNA read this
[link to www.trueorigin.org]
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Until approximately 1997, we did not have good empirical measures of mutation rates in humans. However, that situation greatly improved when geneticists were able to analyze DNA from individuals with well-established family trees going back several generations. One study found that mutation rates in mitochondrial DNA were eighteen times higher than previous estimates (see Parsons, et al., 1997).

Science writer Ann Gibbons authored an article for the January 2, 1998 issue of Science titled “Calibrating the Mitochondrial Clock,” the subheading of which read as follows: “Mitochondrial DNA appears to mutate much faster than expected, prompting new DNA forensics procedures and raising troubling questions about the dating of evolutionary events.” In that article, she discussed the new data which showed that the mutation rates used to obtain mitochondrial Eve’s age no longer could be considered valid, and concluded:

Regardless of the cause, evolutionists are most concerned about the effect of a faster mutation rate. For example, researchers have calculated that “mitochondrial Eve”—the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people—lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6,000 years old (1998: 279:29, emphasis added).
Gibbons quickly went on to note, of course, that “no one thinks that’s the case,” (279:29). She concluded her article by discussing the fact that many test results are (to use her exact word) “inconclusive.” She then noted: “And, for now, so are some of the evolutionary results gained by using the mtDNA clock” (279:29).

We now know that the two key assumptions behind the data used to establish the existence of “mitochondrial Eve” are not just flawed, but wrong. The assumption that mitochondrial DNA is passed down only by the mother is completely incorrect (it also can be passed on by the father). And, the mutation rates used so calibrate the so-called “molecular clock” are now known to have been in error. (To use the words of Rodriguez-Trelles and his coworkers, the method contains a “fundamental flaw.”)

Philip Awadalla and his coworkers noted in Science: “Many inferences about the pattern and tempo of human evolution and mtDNA evolution have been based on the assumption of clonal inheritance. There inferences will now have to be reconsidered” (1999, 286:2525). However, rather than merely “reconsidering” their theory and attempting to revamp it accordingly, evolutionists need to admit, honestly and forthrightly, that “mitochondrial Eve,” as it turns out, has existed only in their minds, not in the facts of the real world. Science works by analyzing the data and forming hypotheses based on those data. Science is not supposed to massage the data until they fit a certain preconceived hypothesis. All of the conclusions that have been drawn from research on mitochondrial Eve via the molecular clock must now be discarded as unreliable. A funeral and interment are in order for mitochondrial Eve.

Now, I really don't care if it was 200.000 years ago or 6.000. The point is we outta know much more about mitochondrial DNA.
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Did I call you cocky? I don't take that as an insult either. If you don't do drugs, maybe you are demon oppressed or possessed. You still don't make any sense.

You want me to accept that John the Baptist's father was high on pot when the angels spoke to him? That is not in the Bible. You are turning visions of God into drug trips. That is why I do say you hate the Bible.

I don't know what you took in the past but maybe you are still tripping on it. I can't lie and say that you sound rational when you don't.
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If you care to read once again the article you'll know cannabis was not used as something to smoke:
[link to antiquecannabisbook.com]
And yet the combination of several items described in the Bible and used until now in sinagogues is important. Even the vapor was not something that had cannabis as a unique element.

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