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I have concluded that Bible thumpers possess no real free will.

 
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Another way to think about it;

Psalm 127:1

"Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:"
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2Tim.3:7-16

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Another way to think about it;

Psalm 127:1

"Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it:"
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2Tim.3:7-16

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Matthew

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I guess not according to Jesus. But why care about what Jesus said? We have Paul and the Old Testament and that's enough to fulfill the wants of the "spiritually quickened".
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To claim that freewill is an illusion if God knows your every move is not logical.

Were you to leap from a 500 foot cliff, would I violate your freewill by knowing you are gonna die and how it will transpire?

If God is not in our "time" but outside of it, it would seem that he can view your birth, death and everything in between at the same time.

Like you can read words on a page, you have a different view than the words do were the letters a sentient being.
They are trapped in their two dimensional world unaware of the eyes upon them from our 3 D world.
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2Tim.3:7-16

vs. 16 All Scripture Is Inspired
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Matthew

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I guess not according to Jesus. But why care about what Jesus said? We have Paul and the Old Testament and that's enough to fulfill the wants of the "spiritually quickened".
 Quoting: Coelbren


Most christians don't actually like Jesus or what he said at all. They prefer Paul and will invariably take his word over Jesus' in nearly every single case... but then again, they'll also ignore Paul when it suits them, without batting an eye.
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To claim that freewill is an illusion if God knows your every move is not logical.

Were you to leap from a 500 foot cliff, would I violate your freewill by knowing you are gonna die and how it will transpire?

If God is not in our "time" but outside of it, it would seem that he can view your birth, death and everything in between at the same time.

Like you can read words on a page, you have a different view than the words do were the letters a sentient being.
They are trapped in their two dimensional world unaware of the eyes upon them from our 3 D world.
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My point was not to get into a metaphysical discussion about free will, it was to point out that religious people are bound to prophecy and become it's slaves, working to fulfill it despite it being of good or evil nature.
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[link to www.cswnet.com]


Awwww, come on now, some of us could be a little brighter than you give us credit for. :)
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Ok, I know it is not the point of this thread but, Holy crap! That website is like circa 1995... it looks horrible. It's so bad I almost want to redesign for you at no charge.
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I'm not the designer/owner. I JUST THINK IT'S A BRILLIANT WEBSITE! Try looking at the CONTENT, I think if u ask God to open your eyes, you'll see amazing truth from His Word.
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To claim that freewill is an illusion if God knows your every move is not logical.

Were you to leap from a 500 foot cliff, would I violate your freewill by knowing you are gonna die and how it will transpire?

If God is not in our "time" but outside of it, it would seem that he can view your birth, death and everything in between at the same time.

Like you can read words on a page, you have a different view than the words do were the letters a sentient being.
They are trapped in their two dimensional world unaware of the eyes upon them from our 3 D world.
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The bible says there is ZERO free will in who gets saved. It says so quite directly.

Are you saying that the bible LIES??

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


[Case in point... they don't like what Jesus has to say and they seek continuously to deny his own words!]
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2Tim.3:7-16

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Matthew

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I guess not according to Jesus. But why care about what Jesus said? We have Paul and the Old Testament and that's enough to fulfill the wants of the "spiritually quickened".
 Quoting: Coelbren


Most christians don't actually like Jesus or what he said at all. They prefer Paul and will invariably take his word over Jesus' in nearly every single case... but then again, they'll also ignore Paul when it suits them, without batting an eye.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Yeah you can always pick and choose what's more convenient to yourself. That's the great thing about having so many different books thrown all together.
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Most christians don't actually like Jesus or what he said at all. They prefer Paul and will invariably take his word over Jesus' in nearly every single case... but then again, they'll also ignore Paul when it suits them, without batting an eye.
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Yeah you can always pick and choose what's more convenient to yourself. That's the great thing about having so many different books thrown all together.
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Yes. But you know, since they claim to love Jesus so much, you would think they'd take his word over absolutely anything and everything. But they don't.

And they don't like Paul's dress codes, either, that's for darned sure!
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Re: I have concluded that Bible thumpers possess no real free will.
To claim that freewill is an illusion if God knows your every move is not logical.

Were you to leap from a 500 foot cliff, would I violate your freewill by knowing you are gonna die and how it will transpire?

If God is not in our "time" but outside of it, it would seem that he can view your birth, death and everything in between at the same time.

Like you can read words on a page, you have a different view than the words do were the letters a sentient being.
They are trapped in their two dimensional world unaware of the eyes upon them from our 3 D world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754098


The bible says there is ZERO free will in who gets saved. It says so quite directly.

Are you saying that the bible LIES??

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


[Case in point... they don't like what Jesus has to say and they seek continuously to deny his own words!]
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I disagree with that.

"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

Here Jesus is making clear that people have a choice, either to do the will of God or don't. But the choice exist.
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2Tim.3:7-16

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Matthew

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I guess not according to Jesus. But why care about what Jesus said? We have Paul and the Old Testament and that's enough to fulfill the wants of the "spiritually quickened".
 Quoting: Coelbren


Jesus was talking about the Pharasees that had their own books with quadrillions of petty laws they came up with and weighed people down with.
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To claim that freewill is an illusion if God knows your every move is not logical.

Were you to leap from a 500 foot cliff, would I violate your freewill by knowing you are gonna die and how it will transpire?

If God is not in our "time" but outside of it, it would seem that he can view your birth, death and everything in between at the same time.

Like you can read words on a page, you have a different view than the words do were the letters a sentient being.
They are trapped in their two dimensional world unaware of the eyes upon them from our 3 D world.
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My point was not to get into a metaphysical discussion about free will, it was to point out that religious people are bound to prophecy and become it's slaves, working to fulfill it despite it being of good or evil nature.
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That is exactly WHAT their antichrist intended. Prophecy is given to tell man what could happen if he doesn't clean up his act, and here they go demanding these things happen. They want nuclear war in the Middle east to make Jesus come back. Many of them anyway.

People reading this, HE has been back since 1954. YOu can see his pic taken in 1961 here. And all those messages on that website should cause some of you to THINK, but it will not, you will reject it out of hand, and yet your very jesus said he would give the word anew at the end times, and you all ignore it and consider it evil. go see his pic and also read the piece here, dear christians. [link to www.wisdomoftherays.com]
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I mean how can a people who are completely subject to what a book says have any free will? If the book says the Jews are the chosen people of God and whoever goes against them will be cursed, Bible thumpers will support the Jews even when their actions are against Jesus' commandments. If the book says the must be a war in the middle east for Jesus to return the Bible thumpers will support war with their money, but what for may I ask? isn't supporting war contrary to the commandments of Christ? Why are you waiting for Jesus to come back if you have disobeyed Him?

More so, if everything is prophesied already, what's the purpose of doing anything at all? what is the purpose of being taught the difference between good and evil if prophesy ties you to supporting evil for it to be fulfilled? Have you ever thought this is a trial put there by God for you to choose the hardest path? to break away from the norm?

"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it."

How can anyone think they are good if their desires for selfishly saving themselves override their own common sense and will to fight for what's good and against evil? Did Jesus conform to the evils of His times or did He rise up against them and gave His life defending the righteousness of God?

But of course, Jesus was perfect and we aren't and besides all that was PREDESTINED. We were all saved by Jesus' sacrifice and we don't have to do anything else, all the commandments and teachings of Jesus were because He liked to waste His time giving them, no need to heed them at all, EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING IS PROPHESIED.

Yet even when events are supposedly already written you people surely love to send your money to Israel to make these prophesies happen. Does God need your help to make the prophesies happen? Isn't He all powerful? or is it maybe that the prophesies are man made and man fomented? Have you ever though about it?

"The weakling runs in battle and says, "See, I have done my duty, I am alive." The True Man stands resolute and grim, his enemies are like chaff before the wind, he is the master of life. Duty is the goddess of manhood and she demands no mean sacrifice.

The grim goddess says "Die", and the True Man steps forward. The ranks of the Everlasting Lords of Life open and he takes his place among them."
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What I think you are missing OP is the free-will aspect of Christianity. It is up to you to find the path or "gate" on your own, as you will be judged and supposedly punishedupon your passing. Opposite of that, you have totalitarian / authoritarian religion such as Islam in which other men will judge you and carry out your punishment here on earth.

Choose wisely.
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To claim that freewill is an illusion if God knows your every move is not logical.

Were you to leap from a 500 foot cliff, would I violate your freewill by knowing you are gonna die and how it will transpire?

If God is not in our "time" but outside of it, it would seem that he can view your birth, death and everything in between at the same time.

Like you can read words on a page, you have a different view than the words do were the letters a sentient being.
They are trapped in their two dimensional world unaware of the eyes upon them from our 3 D world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754098


The bible says there is ZERO free will in who gets saved. It says so quite directly.

Are you saying that the bible LIES??

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.


[Case in point... they don't like what Jesus has to say and they seek continuously to deny his own words!]
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Everything you post about Jesus and Christianity is a lie. Your a liar and have been shown to be a liar.
Your mind is skewed by some wrong done to you in the past and you try to blame God.
Not one person would seek God if he didn't reach out to them first. He even reached out to you and come judgment day you will realize it. By reaching out to touch a soul does not violate freewill.
Context is beoynd your capacity to grasp, so we won't go into your pitiful attempt at putting in your 2 cents.
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2Tim.3:7-16

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Matthew

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I guess not according to Jesus. But why care about what Jesus said? We have Paul and the Old Testament and that's enough to fulfill the wants of the "spiritually quickened".
 Quoting: Coelbren


Jesus was talking about the Pharasees that had their own books with quadrillions of petty laws they came up with and weighed people down with.
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Yes he was, and christians STILL weight themselves down with it all. And the Pharisees had the Talmud which the Khazars originally from Mongolia adopted for their religion and then stole Israel.
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I mean how can a people who are completely subject to what a book says have any free will? If the book says the Jews are the chosen people of God and whoever goes against them will be cursed, Bible thumpers will support the Jews even when their actions are against Jesus' commandments. If the book says the must be a war in the middle east for Jesus to return the Bible thumpers will support war with their money, but what for may I ask? isn't supporting war contrary to the commandments of Christ? Why are you waiting for Jesus to come back if you have disobeyed Him?

More so, if everything is prophesied already, what's the purpose of doing anything at all? what is the purpose of being taught the difference between good and evil if prophesy ties you to supporting evil for it to be fulfilled? Have you ever thought this is a trial put there by God for you to choose the hardest path? to break away from the norm?

"Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it."

How can anyone think they are good if their desires for selfishly saving themselves override their own common sense and will to fight for what's good and against evil? Did Jesus conform to the evils of His times or did He rise up against them and gave His life defending the righteousness of God?

But of course, Jesus was perfect and we aren't and besides all that was PREDESTINED. We were all saved by Jesus' sacrifice and we don't have to do anything else, all the commandments and teachings of Jesus were because He liked to waste His time giving them, no need to heed them at all, EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING IS PROPHESIED.

Yet even when events are supposedly already written you people surely love to send your money to Israel to make these prophesies happen. Does God need your help to make the prophesies happen? Isn't He all powerful? or is it maybe that the prophesies are man made and man fomented? Have you ever though about it?

"The weakling runs in battle and says, "See, I have done my duty, I am alive." The True Man stands resolute and grim, his enemies are like chaff before the wind, he is the master of life. Duty is the goddess of manhood and she demands no mean sacrifice.

The grim goddess says "Die", and the True Man steps forward. The ranks of the Everlasting Lords of Life open and he takes his place among them."
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Add another flawed perspective to the the millions that already exist of what the bible is all about. Yes, the road to damnation is broad, and most will find themselves on it through no fault of anyone other than themselves because of pure ignorance.

Hosea 4:6 "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..."
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Matthew

15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

I guess not according to Jesus. But why care about what Jesus said? We have Paul and the Old Testament and that's enough to fulfill the wants of the "spiritually quickened".
 Quoting: Coelbren


Jesus was talking about the Pharasees that had their own books with quadrillions of petty laws they came up with and weighed people down with.
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The Levites composed the Torah, the Pharisees embraced, and it's them from whom current world Jewry descend.

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I have concluded that you are wasting your time


Seriously, posting loaded threads like this on GLP, you'll only get attention from people who already agree with you, and from people who will never agree with you
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I have concluded that you are wasting your time


Seriously, posting loaded threads like this on GLP, you'll only get attention from people who already agree with you, and from people who will never agree with you
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Thanks but I knew that already, I guess it's in my nature to engage in these debates.
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TALMUD, was compiled by them. The TORAH IS THE 1st five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodue, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and is God's INSPIRED(God Breathed), INTALLIBLE, HOLY WORD.

MOSES PENNED GOD'S VERY WORDS
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I disagree with that.

"Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

Here Jesus is making clear that people have a choice, either to do the will of God or don't. But the choice exist.
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There are multiple places that the bible speaks against free will.

Did not God "harden the heart" of Pharaoh, because god wanted to kill some children before the Hebrews left Egypt? Indeed he did.

"Where is the wise? Where is the Scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" (I Cor. 1:20).

Who made it foolish?
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The world CANNOT receive the spirit:

"And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees Him not, neither knows Him: but ye know Him; for He dwells WITH you, and shall be IN you" (John 14:16-17).

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The disciples were not converted, despite their devotion to jesus. In fact, jesus even tells them that they are going to deny him, which they disagree with--as it is their WILL to be faithful. But prophecy must be met, so they will turn against him because they do not have the "comforter" to make them obedient.

"And Jesus said unto them, all ye shall be offended because of Me this night; for it is written, I shall smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered" (Mark 14:27 & Zech. 13:7).

"And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold Satan has desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat; But I have prayed for you, that your faith fall not: and when you are converted, strengthen your brethren" (Luke 22:31-32).

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Who does the work? Whose WILL is it?

"…it is God which works in you BOTH TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure" to bring about His intentions (Phil. 2:13).

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"For the Scripture says unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised you up, that I might show My powers in you, and that My name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore has He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardens" (Rom 9:17-18).

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"You will say then unto me, Why does He [God] yet find fault? For who has resisted His will?" (Rom. 9:19).

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"Nay but, O man, WHO ARE YOU that replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, why have You made me thus? Has not the Potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" (Rom. 9:20-21).

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And the coup de grâce??

"In Whom [GOD] also we have obtained an inheritance, being PREDESTINATED according to the PURPOSE OF HIM Who WORKS ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL" (Eph. 1:11).

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TALMUD, was compiled by them. The TORAH IS THE 1st five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodue, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and is God's INSPIRED(God Breathed), INTALLIBLE, HOLY WORD.

MOSES PENNED GOD'S VERY WORDS
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Infallible you mean.

Anyways, even if that was true, we all know there's much more in the Old testament than the Pentateuch.
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"We were all saved by Jesus' sacrifice and we don't have to do anything else, all the commandments and teachings of Jesus were because He liked to waste His time giving them, no need to heed them at all, EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING IS PROPHESIED. "

I never made sense to me that somehow by him dying did something for us.
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Yes.
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The law was given to show us we are sinners, that we fall short of God's perfection. That's all, the sacrifices point to the need for a perfect substitute who takes the blame,penatly for our sin.
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The law was given to show us we are sinners, that we fall short of God's perfection. That's all, the sacrifices point to the need for a perfect substitute who takes the blame,penatly for our sin.
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So, Jesus lied when he said that if you don't obey the laws, you are in danger of going to hell?

Matt 5:

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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Re: I have concluded that Bible thumpers possess no real free will.
It's the great exchange. We put our sins on Christ and the Father judges them at the cross. Christ then puts His Perfect Righteousness on us, so we are seen as perfect in the Fathers eyes.
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Re: I have concluded that Bible thumpers possess no real free will.
TALMUD, was compiled by them. The TORAH IS THE 1st five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodue, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and is God's INSPIRED(God Breathed), INTALLIBLE, HOLY WORD.

MOSES PENNED GOD'S VERY WORDS
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Moses penned the words from the folks of Thiaoouba which orbits alcyone. Those books of the bible have a great deal of erroneous material. not God inspired, many of the gods were thugs. and these were only one small selection of people populating the planet a that time. Add in translation issues and out and out intended corruption and you get something not totally god inspired. Yea ones do not understand God.





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